Support NeoGAF

[SuperAngelo64]

...or traits/abilities you'd like to see incorporated?

Traits I've seen so far:

Pit: His entire design and personality for Uprising were derived from his revamp in Brawl
Palutena: Her revamp design was first seen in Subspace Emissary before she was in Uprising
Link: Adult Link didn't use a boomerang until Smash 64.
Kirby: In the upcoming 'Planet Robobot' game Kirby has a power called "Smash Bros." which uses abilities based on his moveset in Smash
Captain Falcon: By now every gamer has seen the gif of Falcon using 'Falcon Punch' from the F-Zero anime years after the move was shown in Smash.
Roy:Appeared in Smash before he debuted in Fire Emblem.

Debatable:

Peach: Used a parasol as an attack before it became a staple ability in Super Princess Peach

Any others I didn't catch.

Also an ability I'd like to see:

Giga Bowser
Imagine a mainline Mario game where at the end Bowser is just like 'You know what? Fuck it. I'm sick of your shit!' and turns into Giga Bowser

That would be sick as fuck right?

Also is this another SuperAngelo64 drunk thread? Maybe, who knows?

 

[fisheyes]

Luigi having some sort of personality seems to have started with Smash Bros, didn't it?

 

[PetriP-TNT]

.
Giga Bowser
Imagine a mainline Mario game where at the end Bowser is just like 'You know what? Fuck it. I'm sick of your shit!' and turns into Giga Bowser

That would be sick as fuck right?

It was sick as fuck in Yoshi's Island

 

[Camjo-Z]

Kirby's Smash ability was from Amazing Mirror actually, they're just now finally bringing it back in Robobot.

Speaking of Kirby stuff, Meta Knight's Mach Tornado was original to Brawl, but later became his screen-clearing special move in Super Star Ultra.

 

[SovanJedi]

Just so you know, Kirby has had that "Smash" ability debut in the series earlier than this new 3DS game. I can't remember which game it appeared in first, but I want to say Amazing Mirror as I definitely saw it there.

The only one I could think of was Captain Falcon, and you've got that covered. So... Yeah, drawing a blank, sorry. D:

EDIT: Gosh darn beaten!

SECOND EDIT: Mario Kart 8's F-Zero track does havve billboards of Falcon saying "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES", I just remembered that one.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Samus got a flamethrower in Metroid Prime

Master Hand was a boss in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror. Inhaling him gave Kirby the Smash power, it's actually not a new power for the new game.

 

[NeoGold123]

Huh. Didn't know that Roy was in Smash before his game came out. Of course, all my friends and I still would've been all "who da heck is Roy" just the same.

 

[Abstrusity]

Huh. Didn't know that Roy was in Smash before his game came out. Of course, all my friends and I still would've been all "who da heck is Roy" just the same.

Yeah, since the game never actually released here. WE only got the, admittedly better, prequel.

 

[DownGrader]

Ganondorf's Warlock Punch is one of his attacks in Hyrule Warriors.

Fox and Falco have reflectors and scouter-like eyepieces in Star Fox Zero.

 

[Tuck]

Luigi having some sort of personality seems to have started with Smash Bros, didn't it?

Luigi's Mansion came first, no?

 

[GametimeUK]

Luigi having some sort of personality seems to have started with Smash Bros, didn't it?

I instantly think of the TV shows that came before Smash for his personality. I would personally argue his current personality was established in Luigi's Mansion.

 

[foxuzamaki]

General pepper said fox couldnt use his blaster on dinosaur planet
noticeably after the blaster appeared in fox's arsenal in smash 64 and melee

 

[Beren the Empty-Handed]

Peach: Used a parasol as an attack before it became a staple ability in Super Princess Peach

Wasn't that in Super Mario RPG? I never finished that game so I'm not certain.

 

[JCX]

Luigi's Mansion came first, no?

Came weeks before Melee, but after 64.

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Wasn't that in Super Mario RPG? I never finished that game so I'm not certain.

Shit, you're right.

 

[sir_bumble_bee]

General pepper said fox couldnt use his blaster on dinosaur planet
noticeably after the blaster appeared in fox's arsenal in smash 64 and melee

I remember that one haha, was so disappointing when he said that too

Edit: the "counter" skill introduced in Fire Emblem Awakening I believe was based off of Marth's ability to counter attacks in Smash (even though that ability was most likely based off of how units automatically strike back after being attacked by the enemy in the games).

 

[Boogdud]

Link didn't use a boomerang? Now, I'm not the biggest smash fan, but Link has been using a boomerang since 1986. Adult or not... not sure why that matters.

 

[georly]

Link: Adult Link didn't use a boomerang until Smash 64.

Sure, link in smash 64 was from ocarina of time, but who's to say Link from 1, 2, or ALttP isn't the same age as ocarina of time link? He doesn't look like a 'kid' in the artwork, at least. More like a teenager/young adult.

He DEFINITELY used a boomerang in those games.

Link didn't use a boomerang? Now, I'm not the biggest smash fan, but Link has been using a boomerang since 1986. Adult or not... not sure why that matters.

Yup.

 

[Weiss]

Link didn't use a boomerang? Now, I'm not the biggest smash fan, but Link has been using a boomerang since 1986. Adult or not... not sure why that matters.

Adult Link in OoT couldn't use the boomerang.

I did think that was weird when I was a kid playing Smash 64.

 

[Boogdud]

Adult Link in OoT couldn't use the boomerang.

I did think that was weird when I was a kid playing Smash 64.

Link did exist before the N64 guys... (as far as I knew, Link in all iterations before OOT was "adult" link)

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Sure, link in smash 64 was from ocarina of time, but who's to say Link from 1, 2, or ALttP isn't the same age as ocarina of time link? He doesn't look like a 'kid' in the artwork, at least. More like a teenager/young adult.

He DEFINITELY used a boomerang in those games.



Yup.

The Smash Melee trophy description states that the NES Link was 'Young Link"

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I remember that one haha, was so disappointing when he said that too

Edit: the "counter" skill introduced in Fire Emblem Awakening I believe was based off of Marth's ability to counter attacks in Smash (even though that ability was most likely based off of how units automatically strike back after being attacked by the enemy in the games).

Marth even uses his Brawl animation for his counter in Awakening.

 

[Why would you do that?]

Yeah, I fully believe Adult Link would have ended up using a boomerang regardless of whether or not Smash Bros. came out. The boomerang is a staple item of the series, and it was inevitable that a 3D Zelda game would come out with only an adult Link.

Besides, I'm pretty sure it could be argued that Zelda 3 and 4 had an Adult Link.

 

[georly]

The Smash Melee trophy description states that the NES Link was 'Young Link"

He was between 10 and 13. In Zelda 2, He's 15. In ALttP, he's a little younger than 17, in Link's awakening (1993) He *is* 17, which is the same age as ocarina adult link. All of those games, he has a boomerang.

Source- https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/2d14g9/how_old_is_each_incarnation_of_link_and_zelda/

 

[Samemind]

Id argue the fourth hit of shiek's standard string in hyrule warriors is an homage to her down smash.

 

[chaobreaker]

Kirby's Smash ability was from Amazing Mirror actually, they're just now finally bringing it back in Robobot

The smash power is also inspired by pre-existing Kirby moves so it doesn't really count anyway.

 

[andymcc]

I think Peach's Parasol came from Super Mario RPG.

 

[Camjo-Z]

The smash power is also inspired by pre-existing Kirby moves so it doesn't really count anyway.

I was going to say that, but he also gets to use his neutral aerial that's only from Smash, so it does technically count.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I don't believe Donkey Kong had a ground pound before Smash 64? He uses that in the Retro DK Country games.
(Edit: unless maybe you count that jump he does in the original Donkey Kong at the beginning of Stage 1?)

One could also argue that the continued relevance of Pokemon like Lucario can be contributed in part to Smash... Though I guess their relevance in other media could also be argued as their reason for getting into Smash.

Kid Icarus and Kirby characters are the most relevant to this thread, for obvious reasons. They're pretty give and take between Smash and their main games at this point.

 

[Syril]

I don't believe Donkey Kong had a ground pound before Smash 64? He uses that in the Retro DK Country games.
(Edit: unless maybe you count that jump he does in the original Donkey Kong at the beginning of Stage 1?)

He actually had it in DKC1 if you hit Down+Roll.

 

[TheDinoman]

In Donkey Kong 64, DK can do an attack in the air where he slams his fists downward, which looks suspiciously like his forward air in Smash.

 

[Piers]

Brawl:

Unleashed:

Sonic Team seemed to of adapted the blue glow from Brawl.

Giga Bowser would be too monstrous and extreme by mainline Mario standards imo. He is cool, but he also works in Super Smash Bros. because it throws various franchises of varying tones into the same pot. Hence you have Mario throw giant twin hadoukens, Link perform Omnislash, and so on.

 

[Berordn]

I'm having a hell of a time finding an image of it, but Luigi uses the Green Missile (which debuted in Melee) in Mario Sports Mix and Mario & Sonic when making lunges in certain sports.

Still hasn't appeared in a mainline Mario game, but that's kinda neat still.

 

[Kouriozan]

Kirby: In the upcoming 'Planet Robobot' game Kirby has a power called "Smash Bros." which uses abilities based on his moveset in Smash

It already existed in Amazing Mirror.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

In Donkey Kong 64, DK can do an attack in the air where he slams his fists downward, which looks suspiciously like his forward air in Smash.

The developments don't line up. DK64 was released mere months after Smash 64.

My thought is that DK's forward air comes from DK64, since I assume Sakurai played a bit of the dev build of DK64 to get an idea of how DK should look.

That, or it's just a strange coincidence.

 

[ElFly]

...or traits/abilities you'd like to see incorporated?

Traits I've seen so far:

Link: Adult Link didn't use a boomerang until Smash 64.

aLttP is as adult as any other adults links and he had a boomerang.

 

[Piers]

aLttP is as adult as any other adults links and he had a boomerang.

b-b-but he was depicted as a child in the GBA port!!
(I do agree though)

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Kirby's Smash ability was from Amazing Mirror actually, they're just now finally bringing it back in Robobot.

Speaking of Kirby stuff, Meta Knight's Mach Tornado was original to Brawl, but later became his screen-clearing special move in Super Star Ultra.

Mach Tornado was in Super Star

 

[Triforce141]

Brawl:

Unleashed:

Sonic's side special? That's the spin dash from Sonic Adventure and onward.

Ganondorf's victory animation and official pose from Melee:

Was used for his Twilight Princess pose:

 

[doowrah]

What about Link's down aerial "excalibur" attack? I don't remember that happening in game till WW

 

[JazzmanZ]

Captain Falcons 'show me your moves' taunt has appeared in other games including Mario Kart 8, The wonderful 101, and Pokken.

Olimars current Pikmin 3 design is based on the one in Brawl.

The Halbred in Brawl has been used in other games including Super star Ultra and Kirbo ropopon

 

[Piers]

Sonic's side special? That's the spin dash from Sonic Adventure and onward.

Ah, whoops, I meant the blue glow around his spinning.
Will make mention of that in the post, sorry

 

[Triforce141]

What about Link's down aerial "excalibur" attack? I don't remember that happening in game till WW

That was his down thrust from Zelda II

 

[Pinko Marx]

What about Link's down aerial "excalibur" attack? I don't remember that happening in game till WW

From Zelda 2.

 

[Glix]

...or traits/abilities you'd like to see incorporated?

Traits I've seen so far:

Pit: His entire design and personality for Uprising were derived from his revamp in Brawl
Palutena: Her revamp design was first seen in Subspace Emissary before she was in Uprising

These two are kinda nonsense. They didn't bleed... Both games were designed by the same man, its a different situation.

 

[LewieP]

Nintendo of Europe acknowledging the existence of the Mother/Earthbound series.

 

[HeresSomeWeapons]

Wasn't that in Super Mario RPG? I never finished that game so I'm not certain.

I think Peach's Parasol came from Super Mario RPG.

True story.

 

[Triforce141]

Marth's taunt where he says "皆、見ていてくれ！" "Minna, miteite kure!" which translates to "Everyone, please watch me!".

That's one of his crit quotes in the japanese version of Fire Emblem Fates

 

[Brainfreeze]

He actually had it in DKC1 if you hit Down+Roll.

Ah. Is that in DKC 2 and 3? I've played them much more recently and I don't remember that.

 

[lwilliams3]

Kirby and Kid Icarus series aside, Captain Falcon is the character that probably got influenced by Smash Bros the most. His signature quotes and "Falcon Punch" are now part of his character. The famous/infamous "Falcon Punch" was even in the F-Zero anime.