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Transgaf: 'cause boys will be girls (and vice versa)
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If EviLore runs the IRC then definitely do this. If harassment doesn't fly here then I doubt it does there either.
Like most sites, depends on who you associate with. Most I've played games with or talked share all the same opinions and don't change particular much. They maybe slightly more vulgar or less formal. But that just comes with the instant chat vs written responses.
While there have been some who clearly would get banned for some of the shit they say also.
2nd, They may not be Gaffers, but former Gaffers for example.
Dr.Palutena
Member
spyhunterzero
Member
You should've let it all out. Unless there is some policy that I don't know at your job, you should've, or atleast in your car. There is no shame in crying billie.
Bel Marduk
Banned
Everyone, I was a major ass to transgendered gaffers last year in one of the threads about the lesbian couple whose son was transgendered. Even though I didn't mean to be transphobic, I was and it was every bit as douchy as being racist or homophobic.
Sorry everyone.
Sorry everyone.
Bel Marduk
Banned
Come to Tinychat.. you won't have those problems there..
Bomber Bob
Banned
And soon you will be one of us.
Bel Marduk
Banned
Nah. I've never felt it.. Its one of those things like being gay, isn't it? Either you feel it, sort of feel it or not at all? I've never felt female..
There's multiple tiny chats
Bel Marduk
Banned
tinychat.com/tinygaffers
ColtraineGF
Member
Ah, that's horrible. Wish I had been there for support 
If it means anything, you know we won't tolerate any of that in #PKGAF. Period.
Just don't let it get you down, alright? People say stupid stuff all the time, and sometimes it can't be stopped, so all I can say is don't take it to heart (and find a way to get some logs, but that's secondary).
If it means anything, you know we won't tolerate any of that in #PKGAF. Period.
Just don't let it get you down, alright? People say stupid stuff all the time, and sometimes it can't be stopped, so all I can say is don't take it to heart (and find a way to get some logs, but that's secondary).
Anybody got a good link of comprehensive trans information for parents? Preferably easy to understand because English isn't my mom's first language. I've been talking about it with her recently since I'm about to graduate from HS and am now going to pursue my transition, but I don't think she really gets it yet. It seems she thinks that being trans is another way to be gay (this sounds kinda bad but I don't know how else to say it...) or something.
She's not being unaccepting or anything but I really want to clear it up for her. I think it's detrimental to our conversation if she doesn't get what exactly we're talking about...
She's not being unaccepting or anything but I really want to clear it up for her. I think it's detrimental to our conversation if she doesn't get what exactly we're talking about...
Femmeworth
Banned
What is her first language? It might be easier to just give her resources in her native language.
Femmeworth
Banned
I figured that was the case, but I didn't want to assume. I don't know Spanish, but I'll see what I can dig up.
Edit: Okay, I found this. It has a booklet (Our Trans Children) in both English and Spanish. Hope that helps.
My dad's the same way, when I came out to him (by accident) he lectured me on not bringing home guys because it's the one thing he won't tolerate.
irc.gamecubecafe.com #ga
thanks for the detailed explanation. Jenna Talakova had it easier, she started at 14.
it's sort of dirty question and the answer is pretty obvious but I'll ask it anyway: do transwomen get wet during sex? I mean they should but since I know nothing about how it works...
I'd hide IRC stuff within tags:
Like so: [email=
irc.gamecubecafe.com #ga
]
Quote to see.
Femmeworth
Banned
For better or worse, GAF's IRC channel isn't secretive anymore, as far as I know.
My parents always told me that they were okay with me being gay, my father often told me that he thinks I'm gay. When I came out as trans they told me this is the thing they don't tolerate. (They got over it during the last ten years)
Well I didn't know about this one :/
Public apologies are hard, so well done!!
Femmeworth
Banned
It's okay, I was just saying.
Necromanti
Member
This is something I've always felt slightly uneasy with. Surely, playing with dolls or wanting to wear women's clothing isn't a prerequisite to being (or wanting to be) a woman. You can be a man and enjoy such things. You can also be a woman and have no interest in Barbies. It kind of reminds me of the whole like of thinking similar to, "I knew my son was gay as a child because he just loved make-up and didn't like sports at all". It just seems like a very constraining definition of what it means to be a man or a woman, mired in stereotypes. But I suppose that how one comes to get a feel for one's own gender is a very personal journey. And since the concept of gender is a social construct, I may be wrong.
Jamie xxoo
Member
I wish people wouldn't say gender is a social construct like it's an established fact. It certainly isn't a social construct in my experience of gender. I always said I'd want the body of a woman even if I was the only person on the planet.
alysonwheel
Member
I could give a very long and detailed answer to this but simply: it depends.
It's not quite so straightforward. They way you've described it makes it seem like the artefacts of femininity/masculinity come first, and the gender identity comes later. For those trans people who "know" as children, it was very much that our choices of toy, the friends we made, etc. were because we knew who and what we were. When we're old enough to understand that while everyone treats us like (for example) a boy when we know inside that we're a girl, we strike out for everything we can reach that will affirm who we are against the constant proclamations of no you are not. It's because these things are stereotypically feminine (and coded as such in TV adverts, in toy shops, and the playground) that we reached for them, whether or not we grew up to be super-feminine or tomboys.
I imagine that if you ask a cisgender boy playing with a Care Bear if he wants to be a girl, he'd say no and mean it. He just likes his Care Bear.
I had My Little Ponies and Flower Fairies and when I became a member of the Care Bear Club they sent the membership pack to Danielle instead of Daniel by mistake and I was so happy about that I kept the envelope and welcome letter long after my parents had called and got it changed. I protested to my parents that I was supposed to be a girl, I tried to escape when they cut my hair, I wrote little picture books about it with illustrations of miserable boys turning into happy girls, and bless them even though they didn't take it seriously (they talked to a psychiatrist who assured them it was just a phase) my hyper-Christian parents at least let me play with what I wanted and be friends with who I wanted. If I'd been born in 1999 instead of 1979 it's pretty likely I'd have been one of those transitioning six year-olds everyone's having kittens about.
None of this means every trans woman who knew as a child chose feminine toys, nor that every trans woman knew as a child. In fact, as more and more trans kids are identified as children and allowed to be who they are, reaching towards hyper-feminine (or hyper-masculine, for trans boys) toys and activities will decrease because those kids won that battle: they don't need to fight the world any more. They can relax.
Also, omg I think I just worked out where my hoarding instinct came from. mindblown.gif
In regards to that story: I don't have much of a phobia, but one of the few things that come close includes genetalia of any form and alterations to that
Edit: now realizing this might sound offensive in the light of surgical interventions, for instance 'sex change' related. Obviously not meant like that, so my bad if anyone got me wrong.
knives, scissors, needles etc.
Edit: now realizing this might sound offensive in the light of surgical interventions, for instance 'sex change' related. Obviously not meant like that, so my bad if anyone got me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that if science gave transgender people an option that would be like "take this pill, sleep and wake up with your favorite genital" people would not even THINK of doing anything related to those things
...or did you said about the gross meal stuff ?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
To be fair if I were the only person on the planet I'd want the body of a woman too. Gotta keep myself entertained somehow.
Instigator
Banned
If you were the only person on the planet and always had been, how would you know which body would fit you best with no frame of reference?
It is possible you don't know what exactly you want ... but i'm SURE that you will fell that your beard/huge breasts are a pain in the ass .... hell, we could even go smaller and do stuff like monobrow or hairy ears/nose =P
That's what I was referring to, yes.
Though my bad working could be interpretated like a 'don't alterate your body (especially genetalia) by using surgery/knives/needles etc' i.e. making it sound like a transphobic thing. Which was (hopefully obviously) not what I meant. But just to be sure, put the edit in there.
Jamie xxoo
Member
I never said always had been.
But if you take away society shouldn't any social construct just fall away?
Instigator
Banned
Then you would have had the time to assimilate it and it would still be in your head, but without anyone to compare yourself to, you'd feel less compelled to want a particular body over another.
Goddamn I want that log so I can put those mofos on ignore. That is if they even use real nicks there.
I figured that was the case, but I didn't want to assume. I don't know Spanish, but I'll see what I can dig up.
Edit: Okay, I found this. It has a booklet (Our Trans Children) in both English and Spanish. Hope that helps.
Thanks, I'll show these to her if I feel like she still doesn't quite understand next time we talk about it.
In slightly related news, I just realized that my driver's permit says F -- no, I didn't do it on purpose! (I didn't even fill out those forms!)... Should I leave it as is?
oh that's cool, good to them for owning up.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
RE: #ga, since any apology Billiechu got was obviously not public;
irc.gamecubecafe.com #ga
1) It's not "GAF's official IRC channel". It is an IRC channel where a lot of people from GAF hang out, but it's not a 1:1 thing, there are people in the chat with no GAF accounts, and the rules are not exactly the same.
2) Just the same, everyone is welcome in #ga and typically people are banned for that kind of stuff, or gay-bashing, or racial slurs, or whatever. Unfortunately there are relatively few ops and they aren't around 100% of the time at all. I am not an op in #ga. I understand that since then a few people got added to the OP list to help with responsiveness. If you do decide to come back (your call, obviously) and face any other kind of abuse then you should feel free to PM anyone who is opped and if they're around, they will kickban the offenders. Rukes is a robot.
PM them on IRC, not on NeoGAF, because again, see #1.
irc.gamecubecafe.com #ga
1) It's not "GAF's official IRC channel". It is an IRC channel where a lot of people from GAF hang out, but it's not a 1:1 thing, there are people in the chat with no GAF accounts, and the rules are not exactly the same.
2) Just the same, everyone is welcome in #ga and typically people are banned for that kind of stuff, or gay-bashing, or racial slurs, or whatever. Unfortunately there are relatively few ops and they aren't around 100% of the time at all. I am not an op in #ga. I understand that since then a few people got added to the OP list to help with responsiveness. If you do decide to come back (your call, obviously) and face any other kind of abuse then you should feel free to PM anyone who is opped and if they're around, they will kickban the offenders. Rukes is a robot.
PM them on IRC, not on NeoGAF, because again, see #1.
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