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Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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they hired him. It's their fault. It's not even about video games at this point: You're insulting, ridiculing, and undermining someone in /public./ Get past video games and look at the larger picture.
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Calling someone the pronoun of the gender they identify as is not "political correctness" it's "not being a fucking dickhole"
EDIT: Man, the mods are pickin' this thread clean to avoid derailment.
You should make some calls and see if your mates are free tonight.
'Cause you won't be posting on GAF.
RadarScope1
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You can forgive the "he" part as an honest mistake, but what about "it"? I don't think that's acceptable. Still need more info. Video of the incident would be helpful, but it doesn't seem to be out there.
Syphon Filter
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You can't predict exactly how a person is. How would they know he would say that when hiring him.
so ms could hire whoever they want for events and never be responsible for their actions?
they should get some klan members next time and really see how far they can take this
none of my mates like to pick on and humiliate others in public.
Try harder next time with your personal offense:
"Working for Microsoft's marketing" = "Working for Microsoft"
DerZuhälter
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C'mon now.. of course it is. You know how comedians are. They usually talk with the people they get on stage. If they had something like a dialogue going on "Hey what's your name?" "Laura" "Wooah. That's a deep voice" "Yeah I'm transgender" "Ah ok. What should I say then? He, she, it?" "Hahaha, whatever you like!" "Okay "it" it is!" Hardy har har Laura not visibly offended. "Okay then we need another real woman on stage" Hardy har har.
Yes since Laura seems quite upset about these we can assume it didn't go that way. But reaction and interaction is definitely relevant.
MS will be getting the damage control machine out again, this time there is nothing they can do, what did the guy think he was playing at, nobody calls someone else (another person) 'it'.
Laura is obviously a female/womans name, she was not born a female but she has chosen to change her gender & that should be respected regardless of personal views on transgender people, legally Laura is a now a woman/female.
MS & the host, the host especially need to look at themselves, what has happened & been said is completely unacceptable as far as i am concerned.
Laura is obviously a female/womans name, she was not born a female but she has chosen to change her gender & that should be respected regardless of personal views on transgender people, legally Laura is a now a woman/female.
MS & the host, the host especially need to look at themselves, what has happened & been said is completely unacceptable as far as i am concerned.
My good people, please avoiding quoting an entire post if said post is only focusing on negative things and will probably be erased/removed. It does not add nothing to the discussion and can be distracting to others.
There's all kind of people, I know, but some only have bad things to say and those, shall never be highlighted in my humble opinion.
There's all kind of people, I know, but some only have bad things to say and those, shall never be highlighted in my humble opinion.
ShockingAlberto
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So, is your argument that this did not happen because there was a separate event celebrating LBGT people?A ridiculous situation, considering how open and accepting MS is with regards to the LGBT community. Certainly this dickbag isn't representative of their policies. to my knowledge, If there is one ing you probably cannot criticize them for, it's being exclusionary of gay and transgender community.
Heh. This came to mind too:
I am confused what the point is here.
As long as the company makes a forthright apology and takes steps to implement and educate it's employees/contractors on discrimination there is no legitimate reason the persons name needs to be publicly released. Vigilantism is never an acceptable action.
Brianimaniac
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If it's Microsoft's fault, then you may as well move our into the woods in Minnesota and become self-sufficient, because there isn't a multi-billion dollar company in the world that hasn't unknowingly hired people that are hateful or don't think before acting. Boycott everything and live in a hand-built cabin.
Microsoft spent money on good PR.
Therefore it is unlikely their employees could be dickbags.
it's vigilantism if she wants to know the name of the shithead who ruined her day and get a personal apology?
Fattony12000
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I don't like this.
Metallix87
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I'd like to play Devil's Advocate for a second. While I can understand the anger from people here, I do tend to agree with the old George Carlin school of thought that anything can be made a joke of / made fun of by a comedian. Nothing should be off limits.
That being said, shame on the dude for carrying it on for so long, and for not having the balls to come out and apologize to her in person. I'm certain he must have been made aware that she was requesting to speak with him, and clearly he realized he fucked up. If anything, though, we can take some comfort in the fact that by refusing to handle the situation, he's likely hurting his own career even more than he already did.
That being said, shame on the dude for carrying it on for so long, and for not having the balls to come out and apologize to her in person. I'm certain he must have been made aware that she was requesting to speak with him, and clearly he realized he fucked up. If anything, though, we can take some comfort in the fact that by refusing to handle the situation, he's likely hurting his own career even more than he already did.
BronsonLee
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His argument is basically that this is not how Microsoft does business, at all. It's the actions of one person, who they hired to MC their event.
In all likelihood, dude is going to get planted by them and never hired again, and that'll be that. Focus on him, not them, I believe is the point.
Because there's a thing called "work conduct"? He's obviously breaking proper conduct. It's not an innocent mistake, if that's where you're getting at.
Most of the people you see at events with more than 5 employees are third party people. There will however always be an actual employee present to lead it.
TheLegendary
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Here's a brief timeline of how anti-LGBT Microsoft is, as everyone here seems to know, lol
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/programs/ergen/gleamTimeline.aspx
Some excerpts
1989
Microsoft is among the first companies to expand its nondiscrimination policy to include sexual orientation.
1993
GLEAM is instrumental in securing domestic partner benefits for GLBT employees. Microsoft was one of the first Fortune 500 companies to offer this benefit.
2010
Microsoft scores 100 on the HRC Corporate Equality Index rating for the sixth year.
Microsoft is listed in the HRC 2010 Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality.
2012
Microsoft scores 100 on the HRC Corporate Equality Index rating for the eighth year.
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MS really hates those gays.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/programs/ergen/gleamTimeline.aspx
Some excerpts
1989
Microsoft is among the first companies to expand its nondiscrimination policy to include sexual orientation.
1993
GLEAM is instrumental in securing domestic partner benefits for GLBT employees. Microsoft was one of the first Fortune 500 companies to offer this benefit.
2010
Microsoft scores 100 on the HRC Corporate Equality Index rating for the sixth year.
Microsoft is listed in the HRC 2010 Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality.
2012
Microsoft scores 100 on the HRC Corporate Equality Index rating for the eighth year.
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MS really hates those gays.
Funchameleon
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DerZuhälter;84015307 said:
Yeah all of my knowledge of LGBT issues is based off last-century Hollywood comedy too.
nobody is calling for bill gates's head on a pike or the utter annihilation of redmond.
microsoft is responsible, that's indisputable. how they handle it from here is the important part.
freenudemacusers
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haha did someone just sincerely post that this is "political correctness gone mad"?
the hits just keep on coming.
the hits just keep on coming.
However, there are some lines you shouldn't cross.
BronsonLee
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Playing Devil's Advocate almost immediately means you're going to be a dick. Not so here, but come on. That's played out.
And it's not a comedy show, it's a stage event for a video game console. George Carlin wouldn't pull this shit if he was MCing here.
ShockingAlberto
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No, dude. My assertion is that it is fallacious to consider this representative of Microsoft's policy as a whole, as they have been pretty progressive in terms of the LGBT community.
Thanks for quoting, though!
I don't think any company Microsoft's size would ever have a "Fuck this type of person in particular" official policy. It would be more noteworthy if that actually were the policy.
That their official policy differs from what happened with no word since is the story, not that they have done things that may mitigate this action in the past.
Flanimal Lover
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Yeah, well , I'm sorry but can this be removed. It doesn't fit in with the whole we hate Microsoft for being bigoted pigs mantra we got going on in this thread.
LOL Dude no one thinks MS is anti-gay. This is about a pr screw up and speaks to the larger narrative that MS has been crapping the bed since E3.
EightBitNate
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If an employee at McDonald's calls me overweight, did McDonald's offend me, or did the employee offend me?
Granted, I admitted MS is wrong for not ensuring that the woman is apologized to, but in what alternate reality is Microsoft disgusting for this incident? You've misplaced some of the blame.
Have you met Chick Fil A? There's 3 types of companies. Companies that actively alienate groups, companies that actively work to be inclusive to all (Microsoft), and companies that dont actively do anything and are fine doing as little as possible. Microsoft is one of the great ones.
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