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Twitter being rebranded to “X”, bird logo going away
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MisterFalcon
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Oh no, Russia is not winning so that must result in WW3! Better do everything in my power to make sure Russia wins!
Mistake
Member
Yes, because it's so black and white isn't it? Droning people who were drafted against their will. How nice. I wouldn't want any part in it either
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So Ukrainians shouldn't protect themselves? Oh ok.
Toons
Member
Milked? calling the purpose it was being used for as being "milked" is wildly flippant.
Elon was "advising" Ukraine to give Russia what they wanted wya before this right? Any way you slice it, its a terrible look. Of all things to defend this shouldn't be one of em.
Like, holy s*** lol. The lengths you guys will go to excuse, downplay or outright defend anything this guy does. to defend this guy worth 300 BILLION with a B dollars and tell me "bbbut starlink is expensive he just haaaad to shut it down ag the expensive of those Ukrainian lives" with a straight face, is wild to me.
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Mistake
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Didn't say that either. Don't try to pick a side for me on this issue. Sucks all around
BlackTron
Member
You don't know the whole story. You should read up on it. Musk started out by handing out Starlink stations and giving it away for free. Then, he said he wasn't in a position to do it for free at the same time he was talking to Russia, and pulled the plug right then, without giving the Pentagon an opportunity to make a contract with him.
Then the US Government had to chase him around while he played hardball and bragged about being on the phone with Putin. Meanwhile Ukrainians died until the Pentagon could reign him in and get a deal signed.
Guy is an asshole.
Vicetrailia
Member
All because Elon wants to feel important, so he does Putin favors. Clown shoes.
Mistake
Member
The link I posted says he had no problem providing private internet. But then they started to use it for military purposes, which is a breach of contract.
Seems to me they should have set that up in the first place instead of blaming him for their screwup. I do see how the free/not free lingo is confusing the matter though.
Anyway, this is the wrong thread for the discussion.
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BlackTron
Member
I think you made a
Mistake
. I checked every page of this thread for your supposed link, where is it? You say this is the wrong place for the topic even though you had no issue discussing Starlink in this thread before.How were Ukrainian users of Starlink in breach of contract when there was no contract? So you don't know that SpaceX just handed Starlink units out like candy to military units on purpose, because while people were dying there was no luxury of time so Musk stepped up? And just decided to reverse course and turn them off in the middle of a battle so their stuff would break because Russia paid him a phone call? Or you do know that and feign ignorance?
Mistake
Member
Link is here
BlackTron
This is a twitter thread. Further discussions on Ukraine issues should go in the Ukraine war thread. Sorry for the derail
BlackTron
Agreeing to use a service under certain terms, and then violating those terms, quite possibly falls under a breach of contract.
This is a twitter thread. Further discussions on Ukraine issues should go in the Ukraine war thread. Sorry for the derail
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BlackTron
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No thanks I wouldn't muck up the Ukraine War thread with arguments about Elon Musk being an asshole. Lets save that thread for actual war developments and not derail it.Link is here
Agreeing to use a service under certain terms, and then violating those terms, quite possibly falls under a breach of contract. At least in a sense.
This is a twitter thread. Further discussions on Ukraine issues should go in the Ukraine war thread. Sorry for the derail
So Musk said he was trying to avoid WW3 when he had a change of heart about helping Ukraine because Putin paid him a phone call. You say they were in breach of contract. What did you think they expected them to use Starlink to do when they supplied Ukraine with Internet? Get GPS directions to an ice cream stand? Musk reversed course because he realized he was pissing off his Russian buddies too much and wanted to please everyone.
Look at the timeline of actual events instead of just taking everything he says at face value and come to your own opinion.
Mistake
Member
Your timeline of events does make some sense. But I'm not going to pretend I know everything he's thinking either. I just think it's quite possible he got called out for facilitating the conflict, and he wasn't comfortable with that. Now if he turned around and made a military contract with the US/Ukraine anyway, then yes, he's an asshole
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BlackTron
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Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule
How the U.S. government came to rely on the tech billionaire—and is now struggling to rein him in.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
if its like any service it likely has a long ToS contract agreement before using itI think you made a
How were Ukrainian users of Starlink in breach of contract when there was no contract? So you don't know that SpaceX just handed Starlink units out like candy to military units on purpose, because while people were dying there was no luxury of time so Musk stepped up? And just decided to reverse course and turn them off in the middle of a battle so their stuff would break because Russia paid him a phone call? Or you do know that and feign ignorance?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I love how he is openly admitting that the value of Twitter has absolutely cratered.
Still won't admit that it's his own damn fault though I see lol
Vicetrailia
Member
What a shithole site. Elon is trash and probably acts this way because he’s a drug addict.
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funkygunther
Banned
ADL owe Musk $22 billion!
No wait, scratch that, they owe $4 billion!
The more posts we get pasted into this thread directly from Musk and his sycophants the easier it gets to see the circus.
No wait, scratch that, they owe $4 billion!
The more posts we get pasted into this thread directly from Musk and his sycophants the easier it gets to see the circus.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Time to update the bicycle stick crash meme with the ADL.
VN1X
Banned
I mean to be fair, the ADL are a pretty insidious organisation.
They're basically the arbiters of irony considering the amount of misinformation they themselves put out lol.
EDIT: No clue how any of that is quantifiable in terms of revenue mind you but I very much welcome any organisation/person calling out the ADL on their bullshit.
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Eotheod
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Didn't you know, it's always the *checks notes* not me people who are ruining the value of my Xctasy.
Toons
Member
I hope he actually tries this suit.
It would force him to air out many of his foibles whilst trying to "expose" the ADL.
But me thinks he knows this, has no plans on actually going through with it and wants to skip some dogwhistles to fringe portions of his fanbase. They eat this stuff up
It would force him to air out many of his foibles whilst trying to "expose" the ADL.
But me thinks he knows this, has no plans on actually going through with it and wants to skip some dogwhistles to fringe portions of his fanbase. They eat this stuff up
LegendOfKage
Member
Like the ACLU, the ADL is a captured organization who has done great and important work in the past, but now are going against their past values, actively pushing the government to violate the first amendment, and actively pushing the government to police private social media companies. It makes sense that Musk would be opposed to them.
Musk does say and do a lot of stupid things for attention, but I don't think it's fair or accurate to make this about antisemitism. Half the value, though? That's a pretty dumb assumption for musk to be making.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
He’s not actually going to sue. He’s going for headlines to drive engagement. Or user seconds.
funkygunther
Banned
I dont know anything about the ADL what are examples of its transgressions?
LegendOfKage
Member
Off the top of my head, an organization that's supposed to be about anti-defamation has been successfully sued and fined for defamation,
[edit] Having thought about it a bit more, I think I might be getting the ADL mixed up with a different hate watch organization, so I've used strikethrough on what I now feel may be incorrect information. The rest of the post still applies.
They also accused Krystal Ball, Sagar Enjeti, and Joe Rogan of being antisemitic, due to their criticism of Israel when it comes to Palestine, after their appearance on Rogan's podcast. I think that seems to be a theme with them, much to the dismay of many progressives.
And then there's the insistence that the government involve themselves in the censoring of legally protected speech, circumventing and violating the first amendment. Here it is right from the man's mouth, right around the 3 minute mark.
"Mr chairman, if you did one thing as a committee, focus on the social media companies, hold them accountable for what they're doing"
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funkygunther
Banned
MisterFalcon
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That 10,5 million dollar case from the '90's is a weird one, a slapfight between neighbours where one side says some things about gas chambers and the ADL gets involved. In the end the reason the ADL lost was that the Jewish family used a police scanner to record cordless phone conversations (remember those?) and that was just that year made illegal. ADL fucked up by using the recordings which were 100% true but inadmissable.
But I'm sure this means Musk is 100% guaranteed to win and have the judge rule the ADL will have to be renamed the DL while Joe Rogan all his buddies applaud from the crowd.
But I'm sure this means Musk is 100% guaranteed to win and have the judge rule the ADL will have to be renamed the DL while Joe Rogan all his buddies applaud from the crowd.
LegendOfKage
Member
I would hope we haven't reached the point where standard lobby groups are asking the government to stop legally protected speech, and pushing the government to grant themselves the authority to decide what is and what is not hate speech and "misinformation," but even the ACLU has lost their way these days.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Ugh musk can't help himself. Whos he going to blame next?
ADL as an organisation is a piece of shit too. Isn't interesting protecting Jewish people; more interested in silencing all criticism of Israel .
No winners here.
ADL as an organisation is a piece of shit too. Isn't interesting protecting Jewish people; more interested in silencing all criticism of Israel .
No winners here.
Toons
Member
"So instead I decided to be complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation, but this time me personally instead of my company, and helping the invaders rather than defenders"
Does he think this damage control is actually controlling any damage?
Eotheod
Member
"Glad it wasn't activated in such a contentious territory." Give me a fucking break, it's only contentious if you are rooting for an invading country. Anyone else is clearly not seeing contention with fighting back an assaulting force who is hellbent on proving some quasi dream of Nazism as an excuse to literally burn a country to the ground.
Scotty W
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Stop posting pictures of people on the Gaming side of GAF!
HoodWinked
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BlackTron
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btw there is a clarification on this in a recent interview, but disappointing that a completely invented narrative you made up was so heavily liked.
"Clarification" that came from Elon Musk himself, delivered by his biographer, who said himself in your own linked video that Musk is like "Jekyll and Hyde"; not only that, but your video has this biographer delivering the exact same story that I did, only to follow up by "clarifying" what in fact happened now...this clarification that you speak of came from a tweet from Musk himself...that is the source...of course his paid biographer is now updating his past story...but thanks for adding to the discussion
HoodWinked
Member
It's naive to believe that Isaacson would be paid off, you do realize he's an highly credentialed and accomplished biographer right?
BlackTron
Member
lol he still gets his information from a source, and updated his story after musk did, use some critical thinking
Edit: Here's another source, even though this one isn't Musks personal biographer or his own tweet on his own social platform, maybe it's worth a TINY bit, wait is this what I already posted? Did you read it yet? It's only got guys from the Pentagon in there. Read it thoroughly, don't skim https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
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HoodWinked
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the framing is idiotic, Ukrainians are desperately reliant on Starlink and they even admit that their army would collapse into chaos without it. He's literally done more for Ukraine than most european nations in terms of military support.
How Elon Musk’s satellites have saved Ukraine and changed warfare
And the worries about what comes next
BlackTron
Member
So you didn't read it?the framing is idiotic, Ukrainians are desperately reliant on Starlink and they even admit that their army would collapse into chaos without it. He's literally done more for Ukraine than most european nations in terms of military support.
How Elon Musk’s satellites have saved Ukraine and changed warfare
And the worries about what comes nextwww.economist.com
HoodWinked
Member
you can quiz me on it.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
What's the third letter of the twenty-fifth word followed by the authors initials?
HoodWinked
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Darkmakaimura
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Update: apparently it's not being removed, just put in a different place.
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