Dude, the set dressing might not be much like Borderlands, but it's a class based, coop loot shooter. Let's not pretend that there's much difference made by the quest structure.
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UK: Destiny 2 is year's biggest retail launch, but retail down 58% from Destiny 1
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Dude, the set dressing might not be much like Borderlands, but it's a class based, coop loot shooter. Let's not pretend that there's much difference made by the quest structure.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
They are nothing alike. Borderlands doesn't have PvP, raids. They play and are nothing alike. By your logic mass effect or any game with looy it is the same.
Sad Affleck
Member
Only one man can save Destiny 2.
-hadouken
Member
Sure, committed veterans will have higher digital uptake. Problem is vets are a minority when it comes to the overall success of a game. The broader market are voting with their wallets - after experiencing Destiny 1, they're ambivalent about the sequel. "The DLC redeemed it" narrative only works for the people who stuck around.
geordiemp
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end, most of my friends list bought digital
Loot isn't why you play Mass Effect, whereas in Borderlands, Destiny, Diablo etc, loot is the central motivating factor. You grind the same strikes, hit the same quests, run the same dungeons again and again because you're looking for a piece of equipment that'll really serve no purpose other than to allow the designers to perpetuate the loop you just went through to acquire said equipment.
How and in what configuration do you get loot in Borderlands and Destiny?...Class based first person shooting in groups.
...do you really need me to point the rest of it out like a grade school teacher?
But really this is all academic - Destiny is just not that fun for the same reason that Diablo and Borderlands aren't fun; artificial reward loops that incentivise repetition are borderline morally repugnant to me because they rely on the same shitty psychological tricks that keep people hitting the plunger on the slot machine.
So I hate the quest structure, and the shooting is basically fine but fine isn't enough to save the rest of the shit show.
MugiwaraCole
Member
This. Destiny is the one game the vast majority of my network of gaming friends purchases digitally, myself included.
AdventureRacing
Member
The first game sold welll digitally as well. This game would have to be a huge anomaly to even remotely close the gap in physical sales, there's just no way digital sales are that high.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Retail sales numbers are now meaningless, aha.
Sir Vilhelm
Member
This is me and my friends exactly. Anecdotal evidence sure but my group of about 15 haven't picked up Destiny 2 after being super hyped then let down by Destiny 1. I was actually very surprised to see that 1.2 M concurrent user thread last week.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Sometimes you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. A lot of people left vanilla Destiny salty as fuck. Assume those people will be late adopters of the game if they ever come on board this time around.
This man understands.
It's amazing lol. It's like digital didn't exist when D1 came out. Oh and "all my friends bought it digital" lol
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Incredible lol. Especially when we still get so many good stats and stuff like Plum's above. Why are people saying this in a thread about physical sales of the biggest game of the year so far.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Maybe a shit load of people did a game share.
erm...yeah, they are.
Loot based, FPS shooters, focus on quest-to-quest activity instead of an overarching story, with constant loot upgrades.
Reading this thread you'd think digital sales were invented between the release of Destiny 1 and 2.
Comparing Destiny 2 Retail + BS Digital numbers vs Destiny 1 Retail only is far more asinine than comparing straight retail to retail and pretending digital doesn't exist.
It's only been 3 years. The Xbox One was originally billed as an Always Online console.
If you're going to compare Destiny 2 sales to Destiny 1 using BS digital numbers, you have to add at least half as much to Destiny 1 as you do to Destiny 2 to be in any way reasonable.
Comparing Destiny 2 Retail + BS Digital numbers vs Destiny 1 Retail only is far more asinine than comparing straight retail to retail and pretending digital doesn't exist.
It's only been 3 years. The Xbox One was originally billed as an Always Online console.
If you're going to compare Destiny 2 sales to Destiny 1 using BS digital numbers, you have to add at least half as much to Destiny 1 as you do to Destiny 2 to be in any way reasonable.
I understood that reference.
Poimandres
Member
Pretty interesting it's down so much compared to the original (however you slice the digital distribution).
But, this doesn't necessarily mean much for Destiny 2 as a whole. If these were US numbers, I would pay more attention!
But, this doesn't necessarily mean much for Destiny 2 as a whole. If these were US numbers, I would pay more attention!
Lmao
hanspampel
Banned
your calculation is wrong!
25% digital = 233.33k (down 44%)
35% digital = 269.23k (down 35,5%
45% digital = 313.18k (down 24.9%)
55% digital = 388.89k (down 6,7%)
65% digital = 500k (up 19.9%)
all numbers are against Destiny 1 Physical only assuming a 0% percent digital share.
with a 15% digital ratio for the first game, Destiny 2 would've been basically flat at a 65% digital ratio (2% or just 10k units up)
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Will be interesting to see how it will do in Japan. It sold 50k on PS3 and 90k on PS4.
Huh? How is an increase in sales leading an increase in the negative difference between D1 and D2's sales? Come on, man, if you're gonna say my calculations are wrong you gotta show your own. I'm highly confused.
Yeah, specially Xbox owners, who have to wait that time + 1 year haha
Well to a degree, it's not counting digital and lots of people are waiting for the PC version.
hanspampel
Banned
at a 25% digital share that 175k retail units would be 75% of total
at a 55% digital share that 175k retail units would be 45% of total
etc...
percentage calculation 1*1
AHA-Lambda
Member
90% digital ratio confirmed guys!
I was going on a flat increase in sales based on a percentage of physical. So when I say "50% Digital" I just meant 50% of 175k instead of 50% of the total sales.
I'd still like to see your calculations as I honestly have no clue where you got some of your numbers, especially that percentage decrease for 25% digital.
dealer-
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Destiny's figure doesn't include digital either. I remember quite a few on my friends list waiting until midnight at launch to play the digital release. It wasn't a foreign concept in 2014.
hanspampel
Banned
that percentage decrease for 25% digital was a typing error its 44% not 64%
and already corrected
when you just add a flat 25% digital increase to 175k physical as your 100% base, you get a digital share of 19.7%. that is not 25%
and your "75% digital" is just 42.8% in reality
Ps4 Pro and Ps4 Slim Destiny Bundles are included in the UK
That is basically the Reason, why all those Xbox One games shoot up the charts. They were bundled
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Bundles are in this.
After re-reading my own post it's pretty clear I wasn't talking about the share of the total sales:
"I can't see Destiny 2's digital sales being more than 50% of its physical sales"
They're not wrong at all in that context. The method of analysis may be a bit flimsy, but the calculations themselves are fine.
hanspampel
Banned
if you're not talking about the share of the total sales, your post does not make sense
it it also confusing as hell
and it's still wrong as that is not how percentage calculation is done.
you said exactly this:
digital sales @25% of a total of 125% is your math saying
does that make sense for you?
Welfare
Member
50% of 175K is 87.5K.
87,500 + 175,000 = 262,500
87,500 / 262,500 = 33.333...%
Destiny 2 is going to have a digital share larger than 33%. Digital sales probably exceed 100K.
Kaji AF16
Member
I didn´t read through all the pages, but... are those numbers reflecting a higher Xbox One attach rate when considering the install bases of each console in the UK?
Using my Destiny 2-playing friends as a sample, I think I can´t find a single person who bought it physical. That said, most of them had also bought Destiny 1 in digital form because of the "buy it on Xbox 360, get it also on Xbox One" opportunity.
Using my Destiny 2-playing friends as a sample, I think I can´t find a single person who bought it physical. That said, most of them had also bought Destiny 1 in digital form because of the "buy it on Xbox 360, get it also on Xbox One" opportunity.
What does that have to do with a sales dip in one country? Nobody is suggesting the same thing is happening in North America.
while digital sales are growing, it is not by this much or anywhere close to it.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Mind speaking up? Getting a little hard to hear you from all the way up on that pedestal of yours.
-hadouken
Member
Even if digital is trending well above average, it's worth remembering that Destiny dropped within year one of the PS4/X1 lifecycle. Now that the install base has matured, we should be seeing significant growth in physical sales of D2 regardless of digital uptake. Whether this trend repeats in other markets is the question going forwards.
-hadouken
Member
I too learned my lesson from Destiny 1 - don't get locked into digital games that you're not sure of. Digital Guardian edition for $120 aud still stands as one of my most regretted purchases.
firstadopter
Member
For you financial modeling forecasting wizards, here is a helpful data point.
Activision has said on earnings conference calls Destiny 1 digital as a percent of total sales was "high-20s%"
Source -> https://twitter.com/firstadopter/status/697923870028906497
Activision has said on earnings conference calls Destiny 1 digital as a percent of total sales was "high-20s%"
Source -> https://twitter.com/firstadopter/status/697923870028906497
Stallion Dan
Member
Not with UK digital prices, games are £10-20 more digital than retail.
MarineMountie
Member
I don't understand the last part of your post. It's a fact that myself and around 20 guys that I play with bought physical for Destiny 1 in 2014. Every one of us bought digital for Destiny 2. If that big of turnaround happened for myself and 20 friends, a 100% turnaround, I'm guessing there is a much larger digital base this time around.