Air Zombie Meat
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It is open world though.
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UK: The Evil Within 2 sells 75% less than first game (physically) at launch
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It is open world though.
chromatic9
Member
Exactly.
US sales will probably be quite a bit down, like Destiny and a ton of other games in the last two years. If we got numbers for other markets you'd see a similar pattern.
I can't even recall seeing any footage of Evil Within sequel and only knew it might be this year due to the thread. The original was the complete opposite.
It isnt.
People here talking about price drops and I'd say that's definitely a factor. Some prices for late-2016 and 2017 games on Amazon (PS4) right now:
- Prey: £18.99
- Dishonored 2: £9.49
- FFXV: £23.49
- Resi 7: £21.76 (but has been as low as £15)
- Agents of Mayhem: £24.09
- Watch Dogs 2: £21.85
It seems that the only games that are holding their value past a few months this year are Nintendo games (ofc) and the more niche Japanese titles (Persona, Ni-Oh, etc). If one can buy TEW2 for near half price just by waiting until after Christmas there's a high chance they will. I know I'm waiting for it to drop in price.
Now this isn't a massive factor, don't get me wrong, but it's definitely one of many and points to an issue with games holding their value over time.
- Prey: £18.99
- Dishonored 2: £9.49
- FFXV: £23.49
- Resi 7: £21.76 (but has been as low as £15)
- Agents of Mayhem: £24.09
- Watch Dogs 2: £21.85
It seems that the only games that are holding their value past a few months this year are Nintendo games (ofc) and the more niche Japanese titles (Persona, Ni-Oh, etc). If one can buy TEW2 for near half price just by waiting until after Christmas there's a high chance they will. I know I'm waiting for it to drop in price.
Now this isn't a massive factor, don't get me wrong, but it's definitely one of many and points to an issue with games holding their value over time.
I'm really enjoying the game by the way, still fairly early, but I have to say the marketing has not conveyed what the game actually is very well.
There's a lot that's good about the game (and different from the first) that I have been completely surprised by! These are the kind of things that a company that is competent at marketing would have explained in promotion.
I'm enjoying all the surprises, but I can see how people would be confused about exactly what the game has to offer.
There's a lot that's good about the game (and different from the first) that I have been completely surprised by! These are the kind of things that a company that is competent at marketing would have explained in promotion.
I'm enjoying all the surprises, but I can see how people would be confused about exactly what the game has to offer.
shouamabane
Member
Yeah, I'm waiting for $30. But I do that with most games these days.
I'm not a UK charts expert so probably forgetting some if there are others but Persona 5 definitely did (they said it was by far the biggest Persona game in the UK).
Edit: Also Splatoon 2 did better, and I'm guessing BotW did too.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Thats news to me. Thought it had open world sections.
edit: according to the reviews it does :shrugs:
Ocarina_117
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This is exactly what I do now with the vast majority of games I want. Brought resi 7 at the end of summer for £15. Waiting for price drops for yakuza 0 and nier.
Tony Redgrave
Member
Not all surprising at all.
-Weak marketing campaign outside trailers.
-No DRM in the PC version, cracked even before it was out.
-No review copies that could infrom users in advance that it was significantly better than the original.
-First one wasn't universally loved.
Unless digital and other territories tell a completely different story this is probably it, which is sad because with RE gone full horror FPS and no Silent Hill or Dead Space the TPS horror genre is pretty much dead.
-Weak marketing campaign outside trailers.
-No DRM in the PC version, cracked even before it was out.
-No review copies that could infrom users in advance that it was significantly better than the original.
-First one wasn't universally loved.
Unless digital and other territories tell a completely different story this is probably it, which is sad because with RE gone full horror FPS and no Silent Hill or Dead Space the TPS horror genre is pretty much dead.
It's worth noting that Bethesda games especially drop in price ridiculously quick. I would not be surprised if The Evil Within 2 is £25 by the end if this month. That is how fast Bethesda games have been dropping in recent times. I think they over ship their games in the UK or something because it is insane how fast their games drop.
I got Prey for £11 on PS4 back in July. Just over two months after release.
megathemiis
Member
The trend of under-performing sequels in the UK market continues...
I hope that this, combined with the low sales of Prey, doesn't mean we will see less experiences like this from Bethesda going forward.
I hope that this, combined with the low sales of Prey, doesn't mean we will see less experiences like this from Bethesda going forward.
EmryX
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Family Fry
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I work in retail, not gaming anymore but used to and even back then in the olde days when gaming retail was fighting the supermarkets, quite hard, they just undercut everyone. FIFA day one was £24.99 in some supermarkets.
I swear UK sale culture has spiralled out of control. I have customers look at the product I sell and ask, when is it on sale all the time, people no longer buy at full price and full price is seen as the rip off price.
Recently people have been asking about Black Friday sales as well so they already have that on their minds, last year some stores did Black Friday week sales, ridiculous like only UK retail can do. This is relevant to gaming software sales also, people a few years ago saw The Evil Within go on sale £49.99 in GAME and within about 4 weeks that game was £29.99, whos going to pay full price for games when the same game is 50% off weeks later?
I swear UK sale culture has spiralled out of control. I have customers look at the product I sell and ask, when is it on sale all the time, people no longer buy at full price and full price is seen as the rip off price.
Recently people have been asking about Black Friday sales as well so they already have that on their minds, last year some stores did Black Friday week sales, ridiculous like only UK retail can do. This is relevant to gaming software sales also, people a few years ago saw The Evil Within go on sale £49.99 in GAME and within about 4 weeks that game was £29.99, whos going to pay full price for games when the same game is 50% off weeks later?
MikeBison
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I went over to PC so bought digital this time.
Honestly feel like these physical charts are becoming way less relevant.
Had a billion articles talking about how digital sales are growing and that's how we'll be buying games, but when it happens we ignore it and just think games are failing.
Edit not suggesting that digital makes up for the 75% though. But anyway, hoping the game has a long tail as many games do. Opening weekend isn't the only time a game sale counts.
Honestly feel like these physical charts are becoming way less relevant.
Had a billion articles talking about how digital sales are growing and that's how we'll be buying games, but when it happens we ignore it and just think games are failing.
Edit not suggesting that digital makes up for the 75% though. But anyway, hoping the game has a long tail as many games do. Opening weekend isn't the only time a game sale counts.
xrnzaaas
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That was pretty much expected. Bethesda should've waited until February before releasing the game and also it's hard to avoid a big drop if you don't market your game at all. I'll be picking it up at the end of the year at the earliest because of the first reason, too many other games to play right now.
Vital Tundra
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No way digital made up for that huge drop. Honestly I didnt know the game was coming out till we had a thread here saying it was coming out in a month. The marketing has been almost nonexistent. Plus, its a packed month. Wolfenstien and Mario are no joke.
PumpkinPie
Banned
A sequel to an average game. People aren't so eager to be bitten twice, or maybe it's just too soon after the original.
MrS
Banned
Bethesda/Zenimax sent the game out to die. There has been so little advertising for TEW2, especially when compared to Wolfenstein 2, that I'm not surprised by its performance in the UK. I'm extremely disappointed though because the game is superb and deserves to be enjoyed by a larger audience.
funkystudent
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It sarcim about people using "but digital sales" at Destiny 2 and Forza 7 having massive cuts.
In this case I think its mostly down to Bethesda not marketing it at all. They really do suck at marketing anything not a big Bethesda Studios RPG.
Wolf 2 might be the firs time they are doing ok with it because Doom. Prey and Dishonored 2 all suffered because of their marketing.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
I've seen no real marketing and the first game wasn't very good. I hear they improved things which is awesome but if I'm not actually being shown those changes it's hard to build hype. The marketing money clearly went to wolfenstein as I have a very good idea what that games going to be.
Sumio Mondo
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I'm sad for both Tango & Shinji Mikami (and the new director) and the publisher here since these sort of games are so rare nowadays. An actual third person horror game released with a good budget behind it is pretty much like as rare as gold dust nowadays. Still have to buy it, just in between jobs at the moment and opted for Danganronpa V3 and Cuphead instead but will be getting this next.
Still think the lack of marketing (& over reliance on word of mouth) is not a smart play, nor is the fact that Bethesda sent it out in the very same month they are releasing Wolfenstein 2, which is getting good marketing and more of a push from the marketing team. The likes of Prey and Dishonored 2 never got the same marketing either, their marketing team needs to pull it up for all of their games and not be so selective.
Still think the lack of marketing (& over reliance on word of mouth) is not a smart play, nor is the fact that Bethesda sent it out in the very same month they are releasing Wolfenstein 2, which is getting good marketing and more of a push from the marketing team. The likes of Prey and Dishonored 2 never got the same marketing either, their marketing team needs to pull it up for all of their games and not be so selective.
what? that's more than the tomb raider reboot initially sold, and that's an established franchise. surely it didn't sell that many? if it did then i guess that explains the sequel lol
Doesnt make it open world though. Vast majority of the game is linear levels.
Damn Silly
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Bethesda are awful at marketing their games that aren't Elder Scrolls or Fallout.
They basically lucked out with their Wolfenstein marketing almost doing it for itself.
They basically lucked out with their Wolfenstein marketing almost doing it for itself.
Danjin44
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It had flaws but it's far from being average.
Soul of the Beast
Member
UK people are tired of generic AAA games it seems
I share your complaints about the game but I think it's unfair to call it generic
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I didnt like Evil Within at all but i definitely wouldn't call it generic.
To be fair this has been the case for most of this gen.
BS. The top 10 games this year will be precisely that.
I saw TV adverts and has even been shown in advertised in Odeon Cinemas for months. I reckon there's more competition from other games at the moment compared to when the original was released.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Very sad indeed but not surprising, Bethesda wasn't putting the marketing muscle behind it so even they saw it wasn't testing well with pre orders etc
This comes up every thread for UK sales, and I must protest it.
The UK market is a great litmus test for AAA trends actually, when was the last time a game disappointed commercially in the UK but didn't in the US?
This comes up every thread for UK sales, and I must protest it.
The UK market is a great litmus test for AAA trends actually, when was the last time a game disappointed commercially in the UK but didn't in the US?
Auroradawn
Member
What else plays like the Evil Within to call it a generic ?
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
I bought the first game and it was shit.
I'm sure a lot of people did the same and didn't buy the second.
I'm sure a lot of people did the same and didn't buy the second.
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Spieler Eins
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It's small maps with all the crappy open world design choices though.
Digital piracy of the PC version of a game affects the physical sales of the console versions of a game how exactly...?
Because let's be real: physical on PC is a non-factor these days. This thread is about console sales. And I'm really squeezing my brain to see how the lack of Denuvo affects those numbers.