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Uncharted 3 reviews
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plagiarize
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loads of places will score a sequel that is deemed to have 'played it safe' lower than the previous game in the franchise. it's a thing. i don't subscribe to the logic behind doing that, but i understand it.jbttwin said:
i also don't care, because, LOL SCORES.
Imp the Dimp
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plagiarize said:
Is this the one?
hey_it's_that_dog
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DaBuddaDa said:
Nope. Objects have their own properties but our perceptual process is subjective. These things combine to create our final impressions.
I'm not denying that for some things consensus = reality, but I am claiming that for some things it's a mix of objective and subjective factors that determine our impression. I believe games fall into the latter category.
nckillthegrimace
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seady said:
You are not alone.
VIVIblkmgIc
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Yup, its totally reasonable to criticize a story in general, it just comes off as silly that you call a game too happy (without developing a further idea) when games today are so homogeneous in their pursuit of all things grey brown and post apocalyptic. That's an empirical observation, not a subjective one.zoukka said:
Those are not criticisms of linearity, those are criticisms of a lack of interactivity, which is most definitely not the same thing. Areas Drake should be able to reach and still stay on the linear path are instant-death zones (why even have those areas accessible at all?), the game 'corrects' your inputs and tugs Drake onto the proper path.M.D said:
There are plenty of linear games that don't have those faults, such as Half-Life 2, Demon Souls, Super Mario Brothers, Castlevania and even Metal Gear Solid.
plagiarize
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yes. 10/10 shouldn't mean perfect, because no game is. the review listed the flaws first, and then went on to explain why he thought it deserved a 10/10 despite them.Imp the Dimp said:
nothing wrong with that, but people went batshit crazy over it.
http://bitmob.com/articles/inception-is-my-gears-of-war
a very interesting blog post by Dan Hsu about the reaction to that infamous review. recommended reading.
Dan Hsu said:
Square Triangle
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Aw how cute Greg Miller took a stab at Detroit in the video review of Uncharted 3. HE IS SO CREATIVE
SuperSonic1305
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This is some deep, philosophical shit right here.Patapwn said:
Lord Error
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Can someone translate the + portion of Gamekult's list? Do they really say it's the best console game there is?
The Lamp said:
Not really. Some people call Inception a perfect movie. I call it a piece of shit movie and would rate it about 3/10 on Eurogamer scale. This is me having an opinion and it's not mindlessly called out if we talk about movies. But with games, anything that isn't close to the general consensus is a lie. It's a shitty situation, that could be explained by the immaturity of the industry among other things.
Interfectum
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Imp the Dimp said:
Vire said:
I hope I don't start Armageddon Pt II with this post...
But it's an interesting thing that you bring up. I think it's because BF3 has been let off quite a lot of flak for it's SP (based off of reviews and GAF impressions). You have even more linearity, terrible and excessive implementation of QTE's, some of the worst AI around, unusual pacing, a less grounded or successful narrative and characters etc etc, and because of it's (albeit potentially masterful) MP, it still gets equally high reviews.
I do feel in this instance U3 is being held to much higher standards. A lot of people seem to feel the SP is unimportant with BF3. The same cannot be said for U3 and it's multiplayer.
KilgoreTrout
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I've been on media blackout (all though not intentional). Glad to see it's getting great reviews.
Will be nice walking into both single play and multi with no prior knowledge this time around.
Will be nice walking into both single play and multi with no prior knowledge this time around.
I think this is true of math and science as objects can be measured and facts can be proven. Those properties do not exist in entertainment/art. The objective measurements you could take on a video game are "it is pressed on a disc of X diameter made of y material" and when you put it into the machine it runs successfully or doesn't run successfully. A critique like "this game controls better than that game" or "this game looks better than that game" are in no way objective, they're subjective qualities with a high rate of consensus.hey_it's_that_dog said:
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!! said:
As far as game-specific, you forgot one totally. WoW. That game has the worst stockholm syndrome suffering hardcore fans ever. Zelda, nor Mario fans come close to them. And from general products standpoint, blizzard fans give apple fans a real run for their money.
Damn, still no in-depth talks about the 3D...
Deadly Cyclone
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seady said:
It blew me away because I was not expecting it. It is one of my top 5 games of all time. We'll see if 3 knocks it out of there.
Snuggler said:
Sarcasm! Hooray!
I can't fully tell if you are agreeing with me. My sense of objectivity (in relation to review scores) is contingent upon axiomatic principles that assess "quality" i.e. your notion of repeated norms (this doesn't necessarily mean consensus, though it can).flabberghastly said:
If what you are trying to say is that because quality doesn't exist in nature, the only conclusion is that the application of objectivity is inherently misguided, therefore all assessments are subjectivity-salient -- that's a notion I disagree with.
A great point that establishes the difference that exists in gaming reviews, as opposed to something like music.
plagiarize
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you're always going to get that with sequels to absolutely brilliant games that didn't come out all that long ago.nib95 said:
and you touch upon another issue with distilling the entire game down into one score. if a single player game can be worthy of the highest score, and a multiplayer game can be worthy of the highest score, surely a multiplayer game worthy of the highest score isn't instantly made worse when you add lack lustre MP.
conversely, even if I hated the MP in Uncharted 2, i wouldn't lower the score i'd be prepared to give it (if i found myself in that situation again... i hate giving scores).
scores are just stupid. getting upset about them equally stupid. and i say that admitting that it took me years and years to figure that out.
plagiarize
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yeah. it was. if you're interested, read the blog post i linked.Gustav said:
LowEndTorque
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Cool, so the shitstorm is almost over.
Uncharted 3 will settle at 92-93 @ Metacritic and will not be the highest scoring title of the year.
It has scored lower than Portal 2, Arkham City, and likely Skryim. It is now officially out of contention for most GOTY awards.
Batman/Portal/Skyrim fans rejoice. Uncharted fans, hang your heads in shame and prepare to suffer the humiliation of defeat and failure.
And to end on a positive note, at least I won't have to eat my boxers (post from another thread last week):
Uncharted 3 will settle at 92-93 @ Metacritic and will not be the highest scoring title of the year.
It has scored lower than Portal 2, Arkham City, and likely Skryim. It is now officially out of contention for most GOTY awards.
Batman/Portal/Skyrim fans rejoice. Uncharted fans, hang your heads in shame and prepare to suffer the humiliation of defeat and failure.
And to end on a positive note, at least I won't have to eat my boxers (post from another thread last week):
LowEndTorque said:
Acquiescence
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BIONIC-ARRRMMM!! said:
Nah.
1. Silent Hill fanboys
2. Sonic fanboys
3. Rahiohead fanboys
plagiarize
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Silent Hill fanboys aren't annoying though, because all their shit is directed at each other. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T LIKE SH2 THE BEST? FUCK YOU! etc.Acquiescence said:
now Apple fanboys on the other hand...
nib95 said:
Or you know... you can accept the fact that people felt BF3's SP and MP to be as tight of a package and experience as those of Uncharted. The games are also very different in almost all areas, one being a flagbearer to amazing multiplayer war and the other one, the king of tight narrative driven action genre. I understand you have history with one of these franchises and it might be a herculean task to try and consider my words, but I'm not kidding.
ShockingAlberto
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I am assuming that the people upset about the scores are mostly not people who are using it to determine the actual quality of the game. Even if the game weren't incredibly likely to be amazing, said people would have already decided it's amazing, anyway.plagiarize said:
Basically, those who are emotionally invested were already emotionally invested.
I think the big issue is people are treating this like a sport and Uncharted 3 is their big play. If it's not getting the points to be above the other team's plays, then they lose...face, I guess?
It's no less irrational, but it's probably the reason.
Vire
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I don't disagree with you at all in this regard about BF3's single player. But, I sincerely don't believe Uncharted 3 is being held to some mystical higher standard just because it's Uncharted and is made by Naughty Dog. Let's not start any conspiracy theories now either...nib95 said:
LowEndTorque said:
Oh boy.
Gustav said:
Good. I was hoping for some in depth talk on it, but guess I'll have to just check it out myself when I get it.
Codeblue said:
Not sure about the HoN/DoTA fans, haven't been around them, but LoL is like a quasi-WoW community, pretty bad, but not exactly WoW type levels. I don't think any fanbase, Halo, CoD, Zelda, anything, can come close to that cesspool of stupidity, sin, and disgust that WoW has. It's on an entirely different plane of existence.
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