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Makes sense now. Thanks for this fellas!
I think I'm okay, I only drink water outside of liquor, beer and my 1 cup of Tea everymorning. Not a sweets guy either
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USA Today: Federal government urges Americans to limit sugar to 10% of daily calories
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I think I'm okay, I only drink water outside of liquor, beer and my 1 cup of Tea everymorning. Not a sweets guy either
Regarding the orange - isn't that just fructose?
Totally get that. But thats just a quantity issue - not seeing the actual difference between the two?
Get a crockpot/slowcooker or even a rice-cooker (if that's your speed?) and throw items into it and set it to "cook" overnight? There's crockpot Curries and Stews out there. I think you can do some other stuff as well.
In any case: Recommending is all well and good, but it'd help if the government mandated the food manufacturers to actually CUT things out of their stuff/reduce it.
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So happy I don't like sweet things.
AtomskEater
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I've had stuff that was so sweet all I could taste was a "sugar" flavor and any other flavors that might have been present were drowned out. I can remember a lemon cake that had this exact problem, you could smell lemon but only taste sweet.
Amy's lunches are fine. They are organic. Just watch the sodium, and they are a good lunch.
There's also alot of freakout here. Is a can of soda good for you? Nah, it's not "healthy"
If you drink a soda here or there will your health plummet and you die in agony? Nope. Diet and activity go hand in hand. Exercise, and you can be considerably more lax in your diet than you have to be if you do no exercise and still try to diet.
Right; just not seeing then what the value of breaking out a peanut butter label, for example, into natural vs added sugar.
I just feel like people are going to see "natural" sugar and ignore that its effectively the same in terms of weight gain.
How bad is sugar for me? #sugartax
I think these guys might be right - confusion about limiting intake of processed sugary foods is going to lead to "low sugar" diets in which people stop eating fruit and other natural sources of sugar.
First and foremost people need to move away from the processed foods and develop a lifestyle of cooking and eating more healthy.
I think these guys might be right - confusion about limiting intake of processed sugary foods is going to lead to "low sugar" diets in which people stop eating fruit and other natural sources of sugar.
First and foremost people need to move away from the processed foods and develop a lifestyle of cooking and eating more healthy.
Same with restaurants.
There's a certain age group that doesn't know how to cook and eats out all the time because they can afford that lifestyle. When they go back to home cooked meals, some of them complain, "Why is everything so bland?"
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Bad example on my part. Oranges actually have all 3 (glucose, fructose, sucrose) types. Pick another fruit. =)
Take this with a grain of salt, but IIRC "natural" sugars are deemed ok because even though fructose is a natural sugar, you're gaining some other nutrients with that sugar.
If you're eating enough fruit to cause sugar intake issues, that's probably not the most pressing concern. But it's incredibly easy to take in too much added sugar because there's no limit to how much sugar can be added to a food.
Because you can't add natural sugar to something. So if people start getting up in arms about added sugars, then the total sugar of products will have to go down, since it's impossible to "add" natural sugar to compensate for lowering the added sugar amounts.
So by getting people to notice how much unneeded sugar is being added to our diets, it might help consumers to convince food companies to lower the total overall amount of sugar in the American diet.
There should really be a sugar daily allowance (with a percentage) listed on foods. Also, I find deceitful serving sizes annoying. "Hey, have this candy bar! Only 200 calories or whatever!* (*per serving; serving = one bite)".
I mean, I'm watchful for this crap, and I know a lot of people won't look at the nutritional info anyway, but I'm amazed at how ignorant some friends/family/coworkers can be when it comes to this stuff. Like, when I point out "that single can of soda has more than your recommended daily intake of sugar alone", it blows some folks' minds. Or when someone's like "oh, only X calories; that's not bad!" and I'm like "dude, that says per serving, of which there are 4."
I dunno. Just yelling at the clouds here.
I mean, I'm watchful for this crap, and I know a lot of people won't look at the nutritional info anyway, but I'm amazed at how ignorant some friends/family/coworkers can be when it comes to this stuff. Like, when I point out "that single can of soda has more than your recommended daily intake of sugar alone", it blows some folks' minds. Or when someone's like "oh, only X calories; that's not bad!" and I'm like "dude, that says per serving, of which there are 4."
I dunno. Just yelling at the clouds here.
The Albatross
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I specifically look for PB with no (or less) added sugar. Regular PB usually has 3 Grams (I forget the measurement) of sugar. "Less added sugar" usually has 2 grams. "No added sugar" has 1 gram usually.
I look for it because I give my dog peanut butter as a treat and I don't want him to get dog diabetus, so I'd imagine some families might do the same for their human pets
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Is Orange Juice alright? I mean it says "100 natural" and all that stuff, has 22g of sugar. I know fruit has natural sugars in it, but like I don't know what to trust at this point.
Haha, I didn't mean it that way. I meant even half the salt in a fresh-cooked dish makes something taste MUCH saltier than twice as much salt in a processed dish. It's not that I think that fresh-cooked food is bland.
Everyone says orange juice is as bad as sodas
Orange Juice = Soda, basically.
Oh I didn't mean to direct that towards you.
Your post reminded me of those kind of people.
That said, a lot of food is preserved with excessive salt.
Im guilty of a can of soda a dayFeels bad man.
Trying to cut it out, but its not easy. Nothing gives you a kick like sugar, and long work days are hard to get through. I hate the taste of coffee and I really dont feel 5 hour energies are a good think to drink too often.
Soda's are really my only vise, I dont like candy very much and most of my work food is either Amy's microwave meals (like buritos and brocohli bowls) or PBJ's.
Dinner my wife and I have been doing better, whole foods like chicken, green beans and ussually a small roll to go with. Keeping it simple and home made.
Wife and I switched to Coke Zero a couple years ago and don't miss regular at all. Though Vanilla Coke Zero is the shit, that's what I recommend.
Makes sense; I do wonder about fruit juice and other similar things though. I mean, Naked Juices advertises that they don't add sugar, and their stuff is WORSE than soda.
Ziltoidia 9
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The graph in OP shows fruit and fruit juice at 1%...is there spacific types brands that are alright? I'm talking about generic orange juice with pulp and such. Not Sunny Delight.
Nope.
This is why I think the natural vs added sugar creates unnecessary confusion.
Azure Dream
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Watch this:
https://youtu.be/ZuYPdTvqitg
Edit: Aw, this edit cuts out his "Sugar!" scream, which was a running theme in the episode.
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I don't believe there is any difference between natural sugar and added sugar. Depending on the chemical make-up, I believe even the difference between sugar and HFCS is something like 5% and while HFCS is worse for you, it is not that much worse.
The problem with sugar comes from the amount that people intake every day and how those calories add up and create weight and health problems which puts a financial burden on the whole of society. So, it's not that there is much of a difference between added sugar and natural sugar, it's that when you take into account added sugar upon what sugar is already in that food naturally, you are upping the individual's total sugar intake but because it is added, that can be changed pretty easily.
Also, sugar is not 100% bad, it plays its role. I believe it's very important for a lot of amino acids. It's just that American food has evolved into everything having a shit load of sugar in it because so much is added to it. And all those added sugars add up. I actually believe the WHO suggests an even smaller daily intake compared to the FDA, the WHO says in general (and this depends on your height and weight), women should not take in more that 25g of added sugar a day and that men should not take in more 36g. The FDA's current recommendation is 50g, I believe. Getting below 50g will be tough for most people to do (I imagine most people probably have like 80-100g on a normal day and like 150g-200g at a holiday party with cake and snacks), personally getting below 36g was really tough to do just because of how everything, even things you wouldn't expect, are so loaded with sugar.
I don't actually know what the ideal total sugar intake is (when you add both natural and added together), and I don't think this is a recommendation to suggest people should aim for whatever that number would be, it is more that sugar intake is too high and needs to be reigned in and added sugar is the easier lever to adjust in this situation.
Edit: also, while I again don't think there is that much difference between natural sugar and added sugar, fruit and vegetables and such which have a natural amount of sugar also include a lot of fiber which helps slow down the digestion of sugar so it doesn't hit your liver all at once. But eating like 4 apples at once is not considered healthy, in fact more than 3 servings (whole fruits) a day and not spaced apart is considered too much from what I've read, even with all the fiber you're getting, too much sugar is too much sugar.
The problem with sugar comes from the amount that people intake every day and how those calories add up and create weight and health problems which puts a financial burden on the whole of society. So, it's not that there is much of a difference between added sugar and natural sugar, it's that when you take into account added sugar upon what sugar is already in that food naturally, you are upping the individual's total sugar intake but because it is added, that can be changed pretty easily.
Also, sugar is not 100% bad, it plays its role. I believe it's very important for a lot of amino acids. It's just that American food has evolved into everything having a shit load of sugar in it because so much is added to it. And all those added sugars add up. I actually believe the WHO suggests an even smaller daily intake compared to the FDA, the WHO says in general (and this depends on your height and weight), women should not take in more that 25g of added sugar a day and that men should not take in more 36g. The FDA's current recommendation is 50g, I believe. Getting below 50g will be tough for most people to do (I imagine most people probably have like 80-100g on a normal day and like 150g-200g at a holiday party with cake and snacks), personally getting below 36g was really tough to do just because of how everything, even things you wouldn't expect, are so loaded with sugar.
I don't actually know what the ideal total sugar intake is (when you add both natural and added together), and I don't think this is a recommendation to suggest people should aim for whatever that number would be, it is more that sugar intake is too high and needs to be reigned in and added sugar is the easier lever to adjust in this situation.
Edit: also, while I again don't think there is that much difference between natural sugar and added sugar, fruit and vegetables and such which have a natural amount of sugar also include a lot of fiber which helps slow down the digestion of sugar so it doesn't hit your liver all at once. But eating like 4 apples at once is not considered healthy, in fact more than 3 servings (whole fruits) a day and not spaced apart is considered too much from what I've read, even with all the fiber you're getting, too much sugar is too much sugar.
Ziltoidia 9
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"Well, there it is."
EDIT: How about buying just oranges and eating them?
Good thing I dont get orange juice too much. Sigh...we grew up in a false world.
The most important thing to do with nutrition labels is to look at the ingredients themselves. People get too caught up in numbers. I mean, numbers are important for counting calories/macros as well as weight loss/gain, but oftentimes people overlook what the food actually is. Hence "low carb" or "low fat" foods that are worse than the "normal" counterpart.
Also, the way sugar is listed is incredibly deceptive.
I shudder to think at how many people might look at something like a soda label and think, "Well, it has 39g of sugar, but that's only 13% of my daily carb intake, so it's okay."
Also, the way sugar is listed is incredibly deceptive.
I shudder to think at how many people might look at something like a soda label and think, "Well, it has 39g of sugar, but that's only 13% of my daily carb intake, so it's okay."
Wow yeah, that is totally fucked! How can we be so far behind in food science god damn.
Stevia tastes like Satan's butthole. I'd rather not sweeten at all then use that stuff.
It's liquid candy. You should limit your intake the same way you'd limit your intake of soda.
Yeah I think you nailed it. That said, getting below 36g isn't THAT crazy if you just cut back on soda.
For example, my diet today:
I had chick fil a for breakfast. I normally don't eat fast food, but was running late and hate to grab something. Spicy chicken biscuit and hash browns. 6g of sugar total.
Had a salad for lunch with Lite Italian dressing. 0g of sugar.
Pack of peanut butter crackers for afternoon snack, 5g of sugar.
All of this while drinking water. I'm at only 11g of sugar for the day. I could still drink a can of soda tonight not be insanely over 36g of sugar for the day. Granted, the food items would have to be limited in sugar for dinner, but that's possible.
Count what you eat, and don't over eat. It's that simple really.
Peanut Butter in plain yogurt is good.
Does added sugar provoke a different insulin response than naturally occurring sugar? Should we worry about the apple that is crossbred to have as much total sugar as a candy bar? I'd just avoid it all.
Probably not. The fiber just counters some damage. Plus most people won't eat more than one apple. You feel fuller faster.
Savory yogurt>*
There's a myth going around that HFCS makes the body use more insulin and thus increases the risk of Diabetes Type II.
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