Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Huh. So he helped them with this trade system? Impressive.Uriah said:
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Valve announces Steam Trade (trade hats for games)
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InfectedZero
Member
Dude. Do it. It has been one of the best choices in gaming I have ever made and regret not doing sooner.The_Monk said:
EmCeeGramr
Member
You can trade games for games.gabbo said:
We really need to change the title so people don't assume it's just hats.
Don't know what to think of it yet *downloads beta*
Every now and again the item server craps out on me, and lo and behold, vanilla TF2 has returned. It's fun! (for five minutes). Then I start missing all the unlock weapons and the customized playstyles they afford me.Foliorum Viridum said:
Jay Shadow
Member
I think every non-gameplay TF2 feature added in the past year has been a beta test for DotA 2.Exuro said:
Well I'm more wondering if it'll be similar to TF2 with trading and such. After the steam update its probably a good guess that it will be similar.Meeru said:
All I'm saying is I'm hoping this becomes a big feature with multiple games instead of just TF2. They did say that they're in the talks with developers. I could totally see being able to trade weapons and junk on this in Borderlands 2 for example.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
EmCeeGramr said:
You can't trade games you've already played. Only games you have extras of.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Yeah but it's still games.LovingSteam said:
theinfinityissue
Member
Hey. I am totally ready to dip into this thing. I have not a lot, but some tf2 crap including the potato hat I think you only got for getting a golden potato? and I'll trade any and all of it for a gift of Limbo.
Also I'll trade any TWO of these games for a gift of Limbo: Counter strike source, HL 2 ep 1, hl 2 deathmatch, tf 2, l4d 1, and the original portal.
I'm in the steam neogaf chat if you can peep my meager tf2 offerings from there, obviously this is all pretty new.
edit: aw man, if I had been a minute quicker, I could've posted in the shiny new thread. I'll stick this there too anyway.
Also I'll trade any TWO of these games for a gift of Limbo: Counter strike source, HL 2 ep 1, hl 2 deathmatch, tf 2, l4d 1, and the original portal.
I'm in the steam neogaf chat if you can peep my meager tf2 offerings from there, obviously this is all pretty new.
edit: aw man, if I had been a minute quicker, I could've posted in the shiny new thread. I'll stick this there too anyway.
BrodiemanTTR
Member
I feel like such an old man. Team Fortress 2 was a team-based online shooter when it came out. Now the whole game is based around hats and collecting hats and crafting hats and now you can trade hats for games. What the hell? Does anyone even play the game anymore?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I swear in some dystopian future everyone in world will be divided into two opposing yet identical tribal groups named RED and BLU, and the world's only currency will be hats.
We tried to warn them about TF2, but nobody listened.
Based Gabe: *laughs*
We tried to warn them about TF2, but nobody listened.
Based Gabe: *laughs*
EmCeeGramr
Member
Yes. The vast majority of people, in fact. It's not based around hats at all.BrodiemanTTR said:
Oh Valve! I see people pulling a reach-around on them for what they've done here (juxtaposed to what Blizzard is doing with their system which is letting you buy out of their economy) is let you buy into their economy.
It seems the items being traded can be something purchased at one point with real money but then Valve keeps all the money and you can exchange the items at commodities (except with the case of used software). The best part is as people are buying the items into the economy and making Valve a ton of money in the process, supply is increased and said items lose value.
I guess its fine since nobody is getting hurt but coming from the perspective of this having a potential to be implemented with in-game items that affect game-play makes me wonder if they're treading the same sore line Blizzard has.
EDIT:
Just to add to my thoughts above, I also wonder if this has a potential to backfire on Valve with their Steam Sales. They're constantly selling these collection people buy because they're missing one game (or they buy the collection just for that one game) that might be more expensive when purchased alone. People can now bypass a potential revenue opportunity for Valve.
It seems the items being traded can be something purchased at one point with real money but then Valve keeps all the money and you can exchange the items at commodities (except with the case of used software). The best part is as people are buying the items into the economy and making Valve a ton of money in the process, supply is increased and said items lose value.
I guess its fine since nobody is getting hurt but coming from the perspective of this having a potential to be implemented with in-game items that affect game-play makes me wonder if they're treading the same sore line Blizzard has.
EDIT:
Just to add to my thoughts above, I also wonder if this has a potential to backfire on Valve with their Steam Sales. They're constantly selling these collection people buy because they're missing one game (or they buy the collection just for that one game) that might be more expensive when purchased alone. People can now bypass a potential revenue opportunity for Valve.
LoftyTheMetroid
Member
I remember when TF2 updates used to focus on gameplay balance and depth. Items like the Kritzkrieg offered genuine gameplay choices, and efforts were made to change classes at a fundamental level to better the game (such as the Pyro's air blast).
I still love TF2 and play it on occasion, but nowhere near what I did from beta up until around the Spy/Sniper update. I keep wanting to play more, but it's like items are now just collections of stat values derived from throwing darts at a board of sticky notes with random buffs/nerfs. And with hats providing such a large revenue stream for them, there's not really a financial incentive to fix anything wrong with the gameplay when they can just throw more items out each update.
To be fair, some of the items seem to have glimpses of inspiration behind them, but they're almost always still unbalanced and mostly only suited for crazy pub fun, which isn't necessarily bad. Kind of like the FPS equivalent of Smash Bros. Brawl.
Err, but as for the trading...
Seems kind of nifty, but abusable. Does Valve still use that ridiculous drop system that rewards AFK'ing in an idle server? "We don't want to reward items through in-game performance since that can be farmed, but having a reward system that is even easier to farm without players even being required to press a single button is better", right?
What's to stop me from idling on my PC every night, accumulating a healthy number of items, and trading the hats to noobs for copies of my most-wanted games? (Besides a larger electricity bill.)
I still love TF2 and play it on occasion, but nowhere near what I did from beta up until around the Spy/Sniper update. I keep wanting to play more, but it's like items are now just collections of stat values derived from throwing darts at a board of sticky notes with random buffs/nerfs. And with hats providing such a large revenue stream for them, there's not really a financial incentive to fix anything wrong with the gameplay when they can just throw more items out each update.
To be fair, some of the items seem to have glimpses of inspiration behind them, but they're almost always still unbalanced and mostly only suited for crazy pub fun, which isn't necessarily bad. Kind of like the FPS equivalent of Smash Bros. Brawl.
Err, but as for the trading...
Seems kind of nifty, but abusable. Does Valve still use that ridiculous drop system that rewards AFK'ing in an idle server? "We don't want to reward items through in-game performance since that can be farmed, but having a reward system that is even easier to farm without players even being required to press a single button is better", right?
What's to stop me from idling on my PC every night, accumulating a healthy number of items, and trading the hats to noobs for copies of my most-wanted games? (Besides a larger electricity bill.)
LoftyTheMetroid
Member
I remember the cap, I was just wondering if they changed the means of acquiring the items. The cap doesn't change the fact that I can acquire a large cache of virtual wealth just by AFK'ing, eventually cashing in on the more ignorant players.Uriah said:
Imagine if the Chinese gold farmers could just AFK in Orgrimmar/Stormwind and watch the money flow in, lol. Why doesn't Valve just quit beating around the bush and just give every TF2 account 10-12 items at the start of each week? Or, if they don't want performance-based rewards to result in farming, have your performance at least reduce the time between item drops until you reach the weekly cap?
Anything is better than rewarding AFK'ing, but I guess this is getting off-topic...
viewtifulsub
Member
This hat shit needs to stop.
SiriusTexra
Banned
Oh wow, so Valve has just created PC game trade ins.
Acerac
Banned
Decent place for price checking items.
Refined metal is worth 90 cents to a dollar apiece. Scrap is maybe a dime.
Refined metal is worth 90 cents to a dollar apiece. Scrap is maybe a dime.
SiriusTexra
Banned
Kaijima said:
So how would one busk on the street in this society? If your patrons money is going into your hat, but your hat is money....and their money is hats.....
Fuck this I'm out.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The whole cross game trading system is clearly paving the way for what DOTA2 will offer. Valve is essentially creating a quasi universal currency system across multiple products. I unlock something I dont need but you do in TF2, and you unlock something you dont need but I do in DOTA2.
You always could. I have a handful of games that I'd emailed to myself.SalsaShark said:also when someone asks you to buy something for them and say "i'll pay you back with paypal tomorrow!", now you can hold the game until they do
Until they're claimed, you can send them to anyone as many times as you want.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its really fascinating watching this evolve. Part of why I like Valve is because they do stuff like this with public testing so that they can see how a community actually reacts before they release it with a new game. It started with the Mann Co store.EatChildren said: