TouchMyBox
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Not necessarily, the hardware should be the same.
If there are any performance gains from the OS, then it's freely available to dual-boot on your windows machine.
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Valve reveals specs for prototype Steam Machines.
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Not necessarily, the hardware should be the same.
If there are any performance gains from the OS, then it's freely available to dual-boot on your windows machine.
Prebuilt gaming PCs are already the domain of Alienware, Origin PC, and Northwest Falcon. I suppose consumer perception is everything though, really, but I'm skeptical about the commercial success of these machines.
Because GPU makers put that out because there used to be so many shitty units and they don't want call backs. PSU wattage has been vastly inflated as a need and marketing tool, but it's coming back into reality.
Yes.
starwarsfan541
Banned
I really hope I get in the beta.
A titan card would be so nice.....
A titan card would be so nice.....
The low end boxes won't be price competitive with consoles in 2013-2015, that is the big boys territory, big budgets.
Maybe in a couple of years they will start to challenge but by then the next-gen consoles will have already established a strong enough install base so as not to be worried by it all.
Taking off the shelf parts and selling via OEM is not going to give you a better price/performance metric compared to a dedicated console manufacturer who is razoring the product. When those parts are finally ready to give you that advantage, you're going to be cumulative 40mn behind in the race and largely irrelevant.
These things are not mass market. There is nothing about them that will ever make them mass market. Multiple hardware configurations of the kind you find in PCs is confusing and will never be mass market for games. These are niche and appeal to the same niche as the PC gamer today. As a PC gamer, I wouldn't buy this, why would I?
njean777
Member
For the titan boxes I bet they will be 1000+$
if valve ends up selling these directly i imagine they're not going to be aiming at huge margins, also most custom pc builders do very small volume and pay near retail prices
657K+ in the group currently good luck to all lol.
walking fiend
Member
Can someone give some clarifications regarding the power unit? Seems TOO low!
Can't be emphasized enough. I'm not sure why so many comments are coming up stating that they're "just a PC with SteamOS." The original announcement made it very clear that's all they were.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Do people who get the prototype get to keep them?
Since the machines run Linux, doesn't it mean that we will be using that Titan GPU simply to stream 95% of our collections?
Can we install Windows on the prototype in order to play all our games with that power? (Dual-boot, I mean)
Since the machines run Linux, doesn't it mean that we will be using that Titan GPU simply to stream 95% of our collections?
Can we install Windows on the prototype in order to play all our games with that power? (Dual-boot, I mean)
All the winners should feel like Willy Wonka children.
Zombie James
Banned
The difference is Valve is making it perfectly clear they're using off the shelf parts, you can upgrade it yourself, and you can build one yourself. If an i3 and 660 are the baseline minimum for a Steam Machine, you're not building one for less than $500-600. Maybe an OEM can get it down lower than that or Valve's worked out some deals with Intel, Nvidia, motherboard manufacturers, etc, but we'll see.
Tests on the GTX 780 show that the 250W number is about what the card draws anyway.
600W is a a lot of overhead but when you take into account motherboard, RAM, CPU, I/O drives.... 600W is just enough.
thesuperfunk
Member
Do want!
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
So far, these kinds of pre-assembled PCs, packaged in smaller boxes have been really expensive though. The cheapest Alienware small PC is $700, and that has just GTX645, so it's worse than PS4. Even the model they sell for $850 has just GTX645, but better CPU. That one you can upgrade to 760, and then it costs $1000.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Nvidia wont sell Titan's to Valve for $1000 each like they do to their consumers.
angular graphics
Banned
Read the announcement. These particular boxes are fully upgradeable.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Damn!
IAmRandom31
Banned
Cherry picking other expensive components yeah lol.
You also have the most expensive possible 660 on the list. 16GB of unnecessary DDR3, etc.
Your build is horrible imo. A bunch of wasted money.
H_Prestige
Banned
And here I expected this thing to be cheap. Not sure what this company is thinking.
PandaPedinte
Member
But reading is hard.
I'm more curious about the OS than the machines but it's nice to see them releasing the specs of the prototypes
SonicXtreme
Member
that 300 model sounds like it'll cost as much as a very good PC lol. i thought the point was to capture the console crowd with < $600 prices
Gaf_SentMe
Member
This is exactly where I want Sony, MS, and Nintendo to go with their future hardware designs. A regular console spec and an enthusiast spec priced above the standard. Both play all the games intended for the machine to play and the only difference being a resolution and framerate bump in the enthusiast model. A mid settings to max settings difference. Make it happen GAF. Let's petition this standard in 5-6 years.
SniperHunter
Banned
seems like a stupid idea. Who is this for anyway?
Interfectum
Member
Reading lol
TheHollowNight
Member
Man, the box dimensions. It's smaller than an Xbone. With that power, holy fuck.
BadAss2961
Member
So wait... They're actually sending out expensive boxes for the beta, and not cheap Stream Machines?
ashecitism
Member
Yes, you can totally install Windows on these. You do whatever you want with these, just like you do with your PC.
Yep
Yep
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
This doesn't work most of the time. The poor model quickly becomes the "gimped sku" and nobody wants it. People would look at the price of the high-end model and in their mind it would become the de facto cost of the console. See the Wii U basic sku for a recent example.
Interfectum
Member
They are probably thinking you'll read the announcement.
Wouldn't that be a really bad idea?
CouchDweller
Member
Dat Titan..... man, next year is going to be crazy if they manage to price a steam machine at around $400 with a very similarly, if not slightly higher spec'ed machine than a PS4.
starwarsfan541
Banned
Exactly, the middle option could be very enticing for most and the highest could be great for us PC Master race types (If we dont build our own)
TrojanBlade
Member
How do these numbers compare to PS4/XB1 in terms of perf.? Of course the top model is way ahead but again the price would be pretty hefty too. What about the 2 lower models in comparison?
Terbinator
Member
- Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Was the highlight for me.