SolidSnakex
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The PS3 and 360 versions of Future Soldier were pretty rough. Although i'm not sure whose fault that really was. It just really didn't look like a game that you'd expect from a major developer in 2012.
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'Watch Dogs' Wii U: Tablet use undecided[Ubisoft's Bucharest]
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The PS3 and 360 versions of Future Soldier were pretty rough. Although i'm not sure whose fault that really was. It just really didn't look like a game that you'd expect from a major developer in 2012.
AranhaHunter
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I wonder if the pad is going to be a WiiU exclusive feature. In my personal opinion, that option will be given to PS4 and 720 owners, it won't be required, but the option will be there. Think "Better with Kinect" or "Compatible with Move" as opposed to "require kinect" or "require move".
Smartglass on 360 seems like a beta test for the 720. It already had over 1 million downloads on google play. Smartglass on 720 is all bug guaranteed to work as a second screen as well.
Sony is gonna bring a similar app for iOS and android as well, presumably at launch. It already is confirmed that it'll work as a second screen.
That's basically a requirement on small smartphone screens, the GamePad screen on the other hand is big enough for on-screen controls. Multitouch gestures are very much useless on a game controller for ergonomical reasons. It's not a tablet, you're not putting it down on a table. Which means you only have one thumb to use the touchscreen most of the time, anyway.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Except multi-touch. Damn technology went backwards.
grimshawish
Banned
Tablets don't have other input methods. The WiiU does.
Not saying its perfect but just saying the reasons Tablets use these input methods is because its what is available to them.
You could keep tap to zoom but have the left/right trigger act as an alt function, changing it to tap to zoom out.
How do you think developers will use DS4's touchpad in an interesting way? This thing isn't even a screen.
Lol at the multitouch talk, like the game will be functionally different between the multitouch version and the others
I totally forgot about them!
I totally forgot about them!
Nostremitus
Member
I have to disagree. Multitouch exists to make up for the lack of other control options on touchscreen only devices. If you have the other control options(read: buttons, analog sticks), multitouch becomes an imprecise gimmick...
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
This would make reasonable sense, yes. Multiplayer portion and additional help (if any) will be handled by studios such as Ubisoft Shanghai.
HamPster PamPster
Member
OFF TV PLAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DEVS JUST DO OFF TV PLAY
Fuck any gimmick bullshit you want to put on the pad. Just let me play my console games on my nice little handheld while my kid sits next to me reading a book or watching something on netflix
Fuck any gimmick bullshit you want to put on the pad. Just let me play my console games on my nice little handheld while my kid sits next to me reading a book or watching something on netflix
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Übermatik;48242354 said:
It would be so much fun to hack using your hand and it "scans" the hand placed on the screen. That or you place your fingers in certain sections emulating different sizes. Oh wait, no multi-touch.
Multitouch gestures for one, just like the one's I'm using on the Apple trackpad on my desk right now.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Maybe...
People (atleast me) are just having silly fun! I don't believe anyone who is buying this game on WiiU actually cares about multi-touch i.e. if they don't use it, no one will need it.
Captain Smoker
Member
I'm currently playing Batman and I have absolutely no problems with the map, nor do I think "man, this should be multitouch" while playing and I use the map a lot (finding Riddler trophies, new landmarks, etc.).
You're probably complaining about this because you want to complain (to me it seems like this).
Yeah I totally see how that feature will be enjoyed by your average gamer on the ps4 front pad!
bequietdrive
Member
If Ubisoft screw up the gamepad integration on this game there is no hope for any third party Wii U games. This game was MADE for the Wii U, the whole concept lends itself perfectly for a touchscreen. Come on UBI, don't fuck this up..
lol you cant compare the ps4 touchpad to the gamepad. cmon touchpad doesnt have the ability to do anything really.
Nostremitus
Member
I edited, it's not completely useless, but i I'd personally have pixel perfect pricision of a resistive screen over a capacitive multitouch if it's isn't necissary. Multitouch resistive would be awesome, but that would be even more cost prohibitive than the more precise capacitive multitouch screens
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Touchpads are about the worst gaming interface imaginable. No tactile feedback like buttons/sticks and no visual feedback like screens. It's the worst of both worlds.
HamPster PamPster
Member
While playing Darksiders 2 I kept trying to pinch-to-zoom the map on the bottom screen and until I was like "oh yeah..." That said, the ship about the screen sailed long ago, I'm surprised people still bicker about it
Using the screen they did has made Miiverse much more interesting so it wasn't all bad. I'm looking forward to an eventual art academy game
Using the screen they did has made Miiverse much more interesting so it wasn't all bad. I'm looking forward to an eventual art academy game
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I will enjoy the shit outta it if implemented right. Retina scanner, thumbprints, slide to unlock, all that shit!
Oppo
Member
Ever used iPhoto on an iPad?
Collecting, bunching, expanding, rotating photos all in one smooth move. It is the most elegant way to do that stuff and it has nothing to do with a lack of buttons. I wish I had it on the desktop, it's brilliant.
Which you rather do - pinch to zoom a map on your phone, or tap tap tap the little + and - keys until you get somewhere close to where you want?
Like I said, it's hardly impossible to zoom on a Wii U pad, it's just not quite as elegant.
I never thought of using a mouse in a game until I first tried one. That is the nature of innovation, it seems obvious after the fact.Captain Smoker said:
I specified my reasons and gave examples. I'm not surprised that you found fault. You are as much a fixture in Nintendo threads as wsippel and farnham. If you have a more concrete argument lets hear it.
To be frank not even Apple's touchpads are worth more than a shitcake sunday on a cold friday winter night.
PetriP-TNT
Member
No reason to suggest cellphone or survailance camera display, I am sure it's a map screen and sniper scope
You wouldn't use it as the primary interface. As a secondary interface, it should be very useful for manipulating map data, swiping between inventory screens, gestures, manipulating 3d objects, and whatever else a creative dev comes up with.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Vibrate when touched. It's a great feature in Android phones.
With that said, Touchpad should never be used for anything competitive. It slows shit down.
Astral/H3X
Member
I hope this doesn't come down to more of that "LolTendo" because of the resisitive capacitive screen "issue". Resisitive screens can use a stylus. Capacitive can't. Nintendo likes the idea of actually poking what you want to select rather than just around it. It's not a disadvantage, and honestly I'd have been disappointed with a capacitive screen on any of Nintendo's devices.
It doesn't even matter to me how they use the GamePad. Yves Guillemot said the aim was to give the same experience across all platforms including PS4. The fact this is possible gives me hope that Wii U *might* just get a few next gen multiplats, *if* its sales pick up.
I do expect better visuals than 360 and PS3 though, now that we know that's possible after Need for Speed Most Wanted.
I do expect better visuals than 360 and PS3 though, now that we know that's possible after Need for Speed Most Wanted.
That doesn't work on multitouch devices, either. Those things only track points. It can be faked, though. But then again, it can be just as easily faked on a single touch screen.
You can fake many multitouch gimmicks on a single touch screen, by the way. If you touch two points at the same time, the system will register a signal exactly in the middle between those two. So, let's say you have virtual inputs A, B and C, and touch points A and C, it'll register as B. Press A and B, and it'll register between A and B. If you own a Wii U, you can test this behavior it in the browser.
Resistance100
Member
I can't see myself picking up the Wii U version over the PS4 version anyway but i am surprised they've not really considered the touchscreen on the gamepad yet, this kind of game could utilise it well you'd think.
If that's true, does that have any implications for future Wii U development? As in, there was hope that with modern engines being more scalable, that the Wii U would be able to more easily receive downports from the PS4 and X3. But if it's being developed by the same studio that's doing the 360 and PS3 version, does that mean the Wii U is so underpowered that once studios stop doing 360 and PS3 versions of games, third party support for the Wii U will dry up?
Hero of Legend
Member
I hope these guys aren't behind the PS360 versions as that could risk it just being an identical version to those, rather than try to focus only on Wii U and try to reach towards the other next-gen versions.
Maybe Ubi Paris is doing the PS360 versions, Ubi Quebec is also involved, thought they were a shoe-in for the Wii U version.
Maybe Ubi Paris is doing the PS360 versions, Ubi Quebec is also involved, thought they were a shoe-in for the Wii U version.
Astral/H3X
Member
The issue with that is it doesn't know you've pressed multiple spots, and that would be hardly accurate for them to decide where they want the cursor to end up for it to register.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Captain Smoker
Member
What's the point?
I've also a multi-touch smartphone but I don't care anyway with Batman, it has a great implementation, it's a great game.
First world problems.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Christ, must we argue about EVERY little thing ALL the time, especially when it's been discussed to death already?
SolidSnakex
Member
That'll likely depend on how the Wii U versions of those games are selling at that point. If they're selling well then there's now way that they'll cut it off. All the next-gen engines will likely be very scalable, so it won't be left out if it makes enough money for publishers.
Beside the visual, what will be better in nextgen openword is the variety of different characters and cars in the same scene.
Requires clever interface design, of course. But it's possible.
Say you have a virtual button in the top right corner and one it the top left corner, and no buttons directly inbetween. That's a situation where you can easily fake multitouch: pressing both at once registers as a press smack in the middle between both. There's no button it could be mistaken for, so you know what the user meant.
Another easy trick is hold point A, then touch point B. The system knows where A is, once another point is touched the coordinates jump immediately to point X, you know X is in the middle between A and whatever the second point was, so you just have to interpolate and can tell if it was actually point B the user was touching.
Third party support has already dried up.
Am I the only one who read this information as they just haven't pinned down exactly what functions and to what extent they want to integrate it on the pad? I'm not too worried about that. Most people figured tablet = phone functionality was a non-brainer and he says as much. I think it's just a matter of them figuring out how to build the interface and if there should be more beyond that. If they worked some on ZombiU I'm not that worried.
Out of curiosity, how good was AC3's PC version?
Out of curiosity, how good was AC3's PC version?