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Did the movie came out yet? Is Thug1 in there?

 

[RDreamer]

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

It's a way to divest the shame and guilt of being sexually assaulted while trying to regain some agency in their own lives. It's an actual defense mechanism to the crippling issues that bombard victims of sexual abuse.

This here.

Do people really not understand this phenomenon? Have so many people not known a victim of ... anything? Have so many people not at least read about victims?

 

[Aurongel]

Exactly. If she is so horrified and disgusted by his actions why would she get into a consensual physical relationship with him afterwards? It just doesn't make sense.

It doesn't have to make sense on paper, it's literally a thing that happens all the time to people in disadvantaged positions and minorities.

Your logic is what others in the past foolishly used to criticize women who remain in violent relationships. That line of thinking was incorrect then and it's incorrect now. Read up on the experiences of women in these situations and then you'll see what the dynamic actually looks like.

 

[Froli]

Intention is key.

He intended to get into a shower naked with a woman who had not consented to it.

That's sexual assault.

I don't know what to say

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Well then, way to show your true colors. I'm clearly wasting my time here. I wonder if you'd understand if you were in her shoes

So he's guilty of flashing her. I've experienced that multiple times and worse (on public transit, of all places). Maybe I'm desensitized because I lived for a long time in San Francisco.

 

[mogaar]

I see Tyler the flashin' aspie elf is in full banning mode. Please include me in the nuking, creeper.

 

[Frankie Williamson]

This here.

Do people really not understand this phenomenon? Have so many people not known a victim of ... anything? Have so many people not at least read about victims?

Nope, too busy calling people unstable and mentally ill apparently.

 

[Clipjoint]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

Second, I love GAF, been coming here for almost a decade. Its been an amazing place to come read about games, insight into the industry, and other's thoughts/opinions. I can't remember how many times I've come here and learned some hot news a week before a major news site picks it up. Like any forum, the strength lies in the community. Time will tell if GAF has the strength to rise again, I suppose. Its a bummer to think of this place becoming a ghost town.

My thoughts on this debacle are.. COME THE F' ON! I'm glad Klepek wrote the piece and shined some more light on the story.

It went from #metoo, I was sexually assaulted by evilore and everyone get their pitchforks shined up, TO

They are travelling together, sharing hotel rooms, getting lit. She had a boyfriend!!! (But at the same time, admittedly polyamourous, in an open relationship....so yeah, the boyfriend aspect has about zero relevance) and there was obviously some kind of relationship between the two, likely coupled with a good amount of sexual tension. They both get drunk, she goes to shower and "maybe leaves the door open partway" which could be interpreted a few different ways, (not saying it was supposed to be an invitation, but they're drunk and staying in a hotel room together here, could be easily misinterpreted) and dude tries to make an ill-thought-out move (sure, it was a little over the top way to break the ice) and she says no. He leaves.

Then the bombshell - "oh we had sex a few months later as I continued to travel with him." Oh, ok. Must have been a really horrible experience there a few months back. (Whoever claimed this is like a domestic violence victim coming back to her abuser - get real. Domestic victims come back to their abusers because of the long standing circle of abuse - the abuser has all the power, has stripped the victim of their self-worth and independence - financially and by cutting them off from their friends/family. Kids are often involved. They come back because the whole abuse cycle is designed to break them down, leaving is hard as fuck financially, and there are legit fears of violence to self/kids if they try to walk away. This woman has her own life, career, circle of friends/family/boyfriend and could've walked away at any point and never talked to this guy again. Not even remotely similar situation.) This makes me believe this whole interaction was no big deal when it happened, maybe even laughed about the next morning, and over the passage of time and a soured relationship, it becomes something else entirely.

When the whole story comes out, this seems more like someone who wanted to join the #metoo movement and came up with a salacious, half-truth of a story to join the club.

Don't think for a minute that I am an apologist for sexual offenders, I work in the court system and when someone goes to the pen for a sexual assault it FEELS GOOD. Fuck people that truly sexually victimize others, and part of me hopes they themselves get victimized behind bars to know what it feels like.

This though...c'mon.

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

This 100x.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

It doesn't have to make sense on paper, it's literally a thing that happens all the time to people in disadvantaged positions and minorities.

Your logic is what others in the past foolishly used to criticize women who remain in violent relationships. That line of thinking was incorrect then and it's incorrect now. Read up on the experiences of women in these situations and then you'll see what the dynamic actually looks like.

And if you described the men in those relationships they are all dominant males.

They wouldn't back away when asked. They want to assert control.

Evillore backed the fuck away.

Stop trying to shit whatever failed notions of criminal psychology you have into something that again. Is not the same thing.

 

[IISANDERII]

He has accused the accuser of bringing him and a friend to people that drugged him and attempted to rape and abduct him and his friend.

So what? Innocent until proven guilty also applies to her. Is that supposed to be some bombshell?

 

[JP_]

And if you described the men in those relationships they are all dominant males.

They wouldn't back away when asked. They want to assert control.

Evillore backed the fuck away.

Stop trying to shit whatever failed notions of criminal psychology you have into something that again. Is not the same thing.

You forget about Evilore’s “power move”?

 

[Herr Schwarz]

You forget about Evilore’s “power move”?

Whatever it is. It's probably awkward.

 

[Aurongel]

And if you described the men in those relationships they are all dominant males.

They wouldn't back away when asked. They want to assert control.

Evillore backed the fuck away.

Stop trying to shit whatever failed notions of criminal psychology you have into something that again. Is not the same thing.

Re read what I said please. I wasn't passing judgment on EL with that statement. Just highlighting the psychology of people in abusive relationships and why it's a fallacy to assume that assault victims would never later pursue a relationship of some form with their abusers.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say exactly with the dominant male bit.

 

[skullmuffins]

Yeah I do know them. Good rebuttal. Passive aggressive turd seems to be in vogue these days.

I'm telling you I don't see this as a sexual assault.

Because if I did I wouldn't be here.

I see this as an absolute failure in judgement brought along by booze and whatever chemistry they did or whatever evillore perceived they had.

He made a play and it was a bold play a really awkward play.

Naked Man. It wasn't very effective.

She said go away he went away.

You could excuse pretty much any instance of sexual harassment or assault by that logic. Randomly grabbing women by the pussy, groping them, kissing them, exposing yourself to them, sending dick picks, initiating sexual conversations... it might work sometimes, so it's just a "bold play", not harassment! The fact she later had a (allegedly one-off) consensual sexual encounter with him doesn't erase the previous non-consensual conduct.

 

[TheTylerRob]

This is the part of the story that irks me.

Leupp said that, at the time, she was polyamorous and in an open relationship with a boyfriend, but the open part of her relationship was exclusive to women, not men. Leupp said her boyfriend knew and trusted Malka.

The two continued to hang out, according to Leupp, because she attributed the incident to him "being drunk that one night." They talked about how what happened was "not okay," and he seemed receptive to the feedback.

I'm a feminist and I think Gaf had a culture of guilty before proven innocent.

 

[Iced Arcade]

wait so this incident happened which apparently was super appalling...then they had sex later on?


that pretty much changes everything IMO

 

[numble]

So what? Innocent until proven guilty also applies to her. Is that supposed to be some bombshell?

This is addressing your claim that the precedence is for criminal claims to be first addressed. He is the one that has made criminal claims.

I think sexual harassment suits actually are civil tort suits anyway, this is why Harvey Weinstein and O’Reilly faced civil claims. They pay civil damages or settlements for sexual harassment, and do not face criminal complaints. Allegations of rape, abduction and drugging are criminal issues, however.

 

[Sàmban]

Exactly. If she is so horrified and disgusted by his actions why would she get into a consensual physical relationship with him afterwards? It just doesn't make sense.

Stockholm syndrome. It doesn't make any fucking sense but it's true. In this particular situation, it is hard to tell whether this was the case. I'm not sure that some dude you were drinking with joins you in the bathroom naked, you tell him to leave, he leaves...is enough to develop Stockholm syndrome. It's possible that the nature of their relationship was more toxic/abusive than either of them have revealed and she very well could have developed some bizarre attachment to him

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Re read what I said please. I wasn't passing judgment on EL with that statement. Just highlighting the psychology of people in abusive relationships and why it's a fallacy to assume that assault victims would never later pursue a relationship of some form with their abusers.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say exactly with the dominant male bit.

Abusive relationships have patterns of behaviour. There is no routine pattern here. Its two drunk idiots in a hotel room.

Brining this talk into a thread about this is stupid because again, just not the same thing. And it's going to mix things up.

Just two idiots. It's an amusing anecdote.

 

[RDreamer]

wait so this incident happened which apparently was super appalling...then they had sex later on?


that pretty much changes everything IMO

It changes nothing.

See this post:

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

It's a way to divest the shame and guilt of being sexually assaulted while trying to regain some agency in their own lives. It's an actual defense mechanism to the crippling issues that bombard victims of sexual abuse.

 

[kliklik]

I believe women, and I believe her. It's just that her allegations don't amount to 💩

I wish people would stop expecting others to referee their acrimonious romantic relationships and keep their drama to themselves. We don't need a goddamn timeline of when they were having sex and when they were sharing beds, and when their friends thought they were sleeping together.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I am dealing with that in saying that it's a thing that happens often and it doesn't negate non-consent.

It does in a court of law, as this poor life choice would provide the reasonable doubt that a defense needs to make make its case.

But you knew this already.

 

[blankempathy]

Yeah I do know them. Good rebuttal. Passive aggressive turd seems to be in vogue these days.

I'm telling you I don't see this as a sexual assault.

Because if I did I wouldn't be here.

I see this as an absolute failure in judgement brought along by booze and whatever chemistry they did or whatever evillore perceived they had.

He made a play and it was a bold play a really awkward play.

Naked Man. It wasn't very effective.

She said go away he went away.

Let me ask you something since again you keep leaving out a key part in your defense. How does someone being sick and throwing up in any way a signal that she wants to fuck?

 

[Philtastic]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

Second, I love GAF, been coming here for almost a decade. Its been an amazing place to come read about games, insight into the industry, and other's thoughts/opinions. I can't remember how many times I've come here and learned some hot news a week before a major news site picks it up. Like any forum, the strength lies in the community. Time will tell if GAF has the strength to rise again, I suppose. Its a bummer to think of this place becoming a ghost town.

My thoughts on this debacle are.. COME THE F' ON! I'm glad Klepek wrote the piece and shined some more light on the story.

It went from #metoo, I was sexually assaulted by evilore and everyone get their pitchforks shined up, TO

They are travelling together, sharing hotel rooms, getting lit. She had a boyfriend!!! (But at the same time, admittedly polyamourous, in an open relationship....so yeah, the boyfriend aspect has about zero relevance) and there was obviously some kind of relationship between the two, likely coupled with a good amount of sexual tension. They both get drunk, she goes to shower and "maybe leaves the door open partway" which could be interpreted a few different ways, (not saying it was supposed to be an invitation, but they're drunk and staying in a hotel room together here, could be easily misinterpreted) and dude tries to make an ill-thought-out move (sure, it was a little over the top way to break the ice) and she says no. He leaves.

Then the bombshell - "oh we had sex a few months later as I continued to travel with him." Oh, ok. Must have been a really horrible experience there a few months back. (Whoever claimed this is like a domestic violence victim coming back to her abuser - get real. Domestic victims come back to their abusers because of the long standing circle of abuse - the abuser has all the power, has stripped the victim of their self-worth and independence - financially and by cutting them off from their friends/family. Kids are often involved. They come back because the whole abuse cycle is designed to break them down, leaving is hard as fuck financially, and there are legit fears of violence to self/kids if they try to walk away. This woman has her own life, career, circle of friends/family/boyfriend and could've walked away at any point and never talked to this guy again. Not even remotely similar situation.) This makes me believe this whole interaction was no big deal when it happened, maybe even laughed about the next morning, and over the passage of time and a soured relationship, it becomes something else entirely.

When the whole story comes out, this seems more like someone who wanted to join the #metoo movement and came up with a salacious, half-truth of a story to join the club.

Don't think for a minute that I am an apologist for sexual offenders, I work in the court system and when someone goes to the pen for a sexual assault it FEELS GOOD. Fuck people that truly sexually victimize others, and part of me hopes they themselves get victimized behind bars to know what it feels like.

This though...c'mon.

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

Agree with this: this whole scenario, given what we know, has been hugely overblown. Evilore's response, however, has been atrocious with the huge delay and over-the-top dismissal of the victim as crazy, delusional, and mentally unstable. I hope that this is a wake up call for Evilore: you're never too important or famous to just ignore major allegations and wave them away.

 

[Entroyp]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

Second, I love GAF, been coming here for almost a decade. Its been an amazing place to come read about games, insight into the industry, and other's thoughts/opinions. I can't remember how many times I've come here and learned some hot news a week before a major news site picks it up. Like any forum, the strength lies in the community. Time will tell if GAF has the strength to rise again, I suppose. Its a bummer to think of this place becoming a ghost town.

My thoughts on this debacle are.. COME THE F' ON! I'm glad Klepek wrote the piece and shined some more light on the story.

It went from #metoo, I was sexually assaulted by evilore and everyone get their pitchforks shined up, TO

They are travelling together, sharing hotel rooms, getting lit. She had a boyfriend!!! (But at the same time, admittedly polyamourous, in an open relationship....so yeah, the boyfriend aspect has about zero relevance) and there was obviously some kind of relationship between the two, likely coupled with a good amount of sexual tension. They both get drunk, she goes to shower and "maybe leaves the door open partway" which could be interpreted a few different ways, (not saying it was supposed to be an invitation, but they're drunk and staying in a hotel room together here, could be easily misinterpreted) and dude tries to make an ill-thought-out move (sure, it was a little over the top way to break the ice) and she says no. He leaves.

Then the bombshell - "oh we had sex a few months later as I continued to travel with him." Oh, ok. Must have been a really horrible experience there a few months back. (Whoever claimed this is like a domestic violence victim coming back to her abuser - get real. Domestic victims come back to their abusers because of the long standing circle of abuse - the abuser has all the power, has stripped the victim of their self-worth and independence - financially and by cutting them off from their friends/family. Kids are often involved. They come back because the whole abuse cycle is designed to break them down, leaving is hard as fuck financially, and there are legit fears of violence to self/kids if they try to walk away. This woman has her own life, career, circle of friends/family/boyfriend and could've walked away at any point and never talked to this guy again. Not even remotely similar situation.) This makes me believe this whole interaction was no big deal when it happened, maybe even laughed about the next morning, and over the passage of time and a soured relationship, it becomes something else entirely.

When the whole story comes out, this seems more like someone who wanted to join the #metoo movement and came up with a salacious, half-truth of a story to join the club.

Don't think for a minute that I am an apologist for sexual offenders, I work in the court system and when someone goes to the pen for a sexual assault it FEELS GOOD. Fuck people that truly sexually victimize others, and part of me hopes they themselves get victimized behind bars to know what it feels like.

This though...c'mon.

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

Thank you! Exactly my thoughts.

 

[RDreamer]

It does in a court of law, as this poor life choice would provide the reasonable doubt that a defense needs to make make its case.

But you knew this already.

Is this a court of law?

Are we really only allowed to be morally outraged at things that would be proven in the court of law?

Also find it interesting that the same sorts of people that cry out "Why didn't she go to the authorities right away" also points out exactly why they don't... because it's hard to prove things in the court of law and you have all your history brought out against you.

 

[Xtyle]

Stockholm syndrome. It doesn't make any fucking sense but it's true. In this particular situation, it is hard to tell whether this was the case. I'm not sure that some dude you were drinking with joins you in the bathroom naked, you tell him to leave, he leaves...is enough to develop Stockholm syndrome. It's possible that the nature of their relationship was more toxic/abusive than either of them have revealed and she very well could have developed some bizarre attachment to him

Whatever it is, I refuse to believe that. It is not like she was kidnapped, or anything similar.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Tyler's response has sucked, but he literally pulled The Naked Man, from How I Met Your Mother. He made a move, drinking in a hotel room with someone he had chemistry with, got shot down, backed off, and sulked.

Not only is there nothing remotely illegal, there's nothing even morally questionable.

GAF has a tendency to overreact to minor issues, and I've vocalized my thoughts a few times, but this is just insane.

 

[TheTylerRob]

Stockholm syndrome. It doesn't make any fucking sense but it's true. In this particular situation, it is hard to tell whether this was the case. I'm not sure that some dude you were drinking with joins you in the bathroom naked, you tell him to leave, he leaves...is enough to develop Stockholm syndrome. It's possible that the nature of their relationship was more toxic/abusive than either of them have revealed and she very well could have developed some bizarre attachment to him

This is like, textbook misuse of the phrase Stockholm Syndrome, two grown adults in a relationship =/= Kidnapping.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

You could excuse pretty much any instance of sexual harassment or assault by that logic. Randomly grabbing women by the pussy, groping them, kissing them, exposing yourself to them, sending dick picks, initiating sexual conversations... it might work sometimes, so it's just a "bold play", not harassment! The fact she later had a (allegedly one-off) consensual sexual encounter with him doesn't erase the previous non-consensual conduct.

No bullshit.

You're high off your own drama still guy.

Exposing yourself to a woman in.an attempt to get her affections is a bold play.

It doesn't violate her. There's a difference between presenting and asserting.

So you could say to a woman "I want to grab you by the pussy" that would be ok to do.

Because there's time for the woman to react adversely or positively.

As opposed to violating her space with your hand and groping. That's assault. As soon as you take the choice away. Its assault.

She had a choice she had a voice. She said . leave. He left.

When you get assaulted you don't have fucking agency to do anything.

Again you're a fucking moron. If I didn't say it before.

Keep getting high off the drama though.

 

[RDreamer]

Whatever it is, I refuse to believe that. It is not like she was kidnapped, or anything similar.

You refuse to believe a legitimate psychological defense mechanism that happens in victims of all walks of life?

I mean... ok, you can refuse to believe that but it doesn't make you any smarter or anything.

 

[mrqs]

Way to go Klepek for getting the SCOOPS. Dude's a badass, doing actual investigative reporting on shit that matters.

(...)

Bringing me to my last point, BRING BACK OFF-TOPIC FORUMS. Talk like this has no business in a forum dedicated to video games

That's great. This was waaay overblown. I've just had an fight with some friends for "staying on evilore's side"... And i'm not in his side! This situation is just messed up, but come on.

 

[RDreamer]

No bullshit.

You're high off your own drama still guy.

Exposing yourself to a woman in.an attempt to get her affections is a bold play.

It doesn't violate her. There's a difference between presenting and asserting.

No

No, no, no, no.

Fucking no.

Holy shit no.

This is rape culture shit. This is really fucked up and you need to go think about your life and your morality here.

Exposing yourself is not a bold play. End of story. That's why there are laws against that sort of thing.

Seriously what is wrong with you?

 

[Clipjoint]

You could excuse pretty much any instance of sexual harassment or assault by that logic. Randomly grabbing women by the pussy, groping them, kissing them, exposing yourself to them, sending dick picks, initiating sexual conversations... it might work sometimes, so it's just a "bold play", not harassment! The fact she later had a (allegedly one-off) consensual sexual encounter with him doesn't erase the previous non-consensual conduct.

They weren't just hanging out in a cafe. They were alone, in a hotel room, getting drunk together. By any and all definitions, that's a sexually charged setting ripe for a misunderstanding. No matter how comfortable you are with someone as a friend, being alone in a hotel room together is an uncomfortable situation for that reason. This wasn't just a random pussy grab, the way you put it. I wouldn't let my girlfriend share a hotel room with a guy for this exact reason, nor would my girlfriend let me share a room with a woman.

 

[TheTylerRob]

Why is OT gone though? What does that have to do with any of the drama?

 

[Sàmban]

This is like, textbook misuse of the phrase Stockholm Syndrome, two grown adults in a relationship =/= Kidnapping.

No it isn't. Stockholm Syndrome is also applied to two people in a relationship where one typically exerts power/control negatively to the point that the other person becomes psychologically allied with them. There is more than one way to use the phrase.

 

[HariKari]

Why is OT gone though? What does that have to do with any of the drama?

Limiting the moderation duties to just gaming for now. As you can see, they have their hands full.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

*snip*

After reading the Kotaku, then Waypoint article, especially considering how both of their stories overlap, I figured she had buyer's remorse, but VICTIM BLAMING! they said.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

It's a way to divest the shame and guilt of being sexually assaulted while trying to regain some agency in their own lives. It's an actual defense mechanism to the crippling issues that bombard victims of sexual abuse.

A defense mechanism that leads to your own self destruction is not a defense/coping mechanism or remedy, but a pathology.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

No

No, no, no, no.

Fucking no.

Holy shit no.

This is rape culture shit. This is really fucked up and you need to go think about your life and your morality here.

Exposing yourself is not a bold play. End of story. That's why there are laws against that sort of thing.

Seriously what is wrong with you?

Because I can assess situations in a nuanced fashion.

I'm not advocating going around showing your cock to people as a general way of greeting.

But you can pretend if you want guy.

I'm saying real assault happens when you removes the victims agency to resist you.

Actual sex attacks. Actual violence.

Read what's going on with the context we already know.

They're in . a hotel alone together. Both wasted. He has feelings and wants to express . them. He's drunk so comes to.the ridiculous idea of getting naked.and.saying "what's up"

She . sees him recoils and asks him to leave..and so he left.

Real assaults are when you don't get an option.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

You refuse to believe a legitimate psychological defense mechanism that happens in victims of all walks of life?

I mean... ok, you can refuse to believe that but it doesn't make you any smarter or anything.

What on earth was she the victim of?
In her story, the moment she says no, he backs away.
You tell this story to a 100 adults, and all 100 will laugh, think the girl shot him down, and feel a bit embarrassed for the guy.

You're either inexperienced with the other sex, or you're not being genuine.

 

[Wordstar]

People! their is a justice system to deal with this sort of thing. Just saying. This is a gaming forum now.

 

[blankempathy]

Because I can assess situations in a nuanced fashion.

I'm not advocating going around showing your cock to people as a general way of greeting.

But you can pretend if you want guy.

I'm saying real assault happens when you removes the victims agency to resist you.

Actual sex attacks. Actual violence.

Read what's going on with the context we already know.

They're in . a hotel alone together. Both wasted. He has feelings and wants to express . them. He's drunk so comes to.the ridiculous idea of getting naked.and.saying "what's up"

She . sees him recoils and asks him to leave..and so he left.

Real assaults are when you don't get an option.

So are you going to address what i said about her being sick and throwing up or are you just going to ignore it because it does not fit the situation you're trying to present? Although its funny you say that real assaults are when you don't get an option. I guess its a good thing she wasn't sick to the point she couldn't say no right?

 

[RDreamer]

They weren't just hanging out in a cafe. They were alone, in a hotel room, getting drunk together. By any and all definitions, that's a sexually charged setting ripe for a misunderstanding. No matter how comfortable you are with someone as a friend, being alone in a hotel room together is an uncomfortable situation for that reason. This wasn't just a random pussy grab, the way you put it. I wouldn't let my girlfriend share a hotel room with a guy for this exact reason, nor would my girlfriend let me share a room with a woman.

I would need consent
In a house.
I would need consent
With my spouse
I would need consent
In a motel
And I would need consent
Inside a hotel
Here or there.
I would need consent
Anywhere.

 

[TheTylerRob]

People! their is a justice system to deal with this sort of thing. Just saying. This is a gaming forum now.

Neogaf is more than a gaming forum, if you want just games go to gamefaqs.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

What on earth was she the victim of?
In her story, the moment she says no, he backs away.
You tell this story to a 100 adults, and all 100 will laugh, think the girl shot him down, and feel a bit embarrassed for the guy.

You're either inexperienced with the other sex, or you're not being genuine.

This. The story is some awkward fucking cringe of bad decision making.

This isn't an assault. Unless you're trying to be super technical.

 

[eso76]

I always thought the incident sounded like a dick move and a grave misunderstanding more than anything.

And that was before details emerged that the two reconciled and had a sexual relationship afterwards..

It's ironic that the mentality this very website promoted and helped spread (I feel neogaf was a huge influence for many, and ultimately a good one) is what killed it.
Because I don't think things can ever be the same around here.

 

[Sàmban]

No bullshit.

You're high off your own drama still guy.

Exposing yourself to a woman in.an attempt to get her affections is a bold play.

It doesn't violate her. There's a difference between presenting and asserting.

So you could say to a woman "I want to grab you by the pussy" that would be ok to do.

Because there's time for the woman to react adversely or positively.

As opposed to violating her space with your hand and groping. That's assault. As soon as you take the choice away. Its assault.

She had a choice she had a voice. She said . leave. He left.

When you get assaulted you don't have fucking agency to do anything.

Again you're a fucking moron. If I didn't say it before.

Keep getting high off the drama though.

...the fuck?

Ok, telling a woman "I want to grab you by the pussy" is at the very least sexual harassment. It's not ok. It's not as bad as actually grabbing her...maybe that's what you meant? Neither one is ok though.

 

[RDreamer]

What on earth was she the victim of?
In her story, the moment she says no, he backs away.
You tell this story to a 100 adults, and all 100 will laugh, think the girl shot him down, and feel a bit embarrassed for the guy.

You're either inexperienced with the other sex, or you're not being genuine.

Go ask any woman in your life if it would be traumatic for her to suddenly have someone she has not consented to show up in her shower naked.

You tell this story to 100 women and 100 will think that's sexual assault.

You're either inexperienced with women or you're not being genuine.

 

[Bsigg12]

People! their is a justice system to deal with this sort of thing. Just saying. This is a gaming forum now.

What? It's not like he was arrested or something.

 

[The Strokes]

Yeah I do know them. Good rebuttal. Passive aggressive turd seems to be in vogue these days.

I'm telling you I don't see this as a sexual assault.

Because if I did I wouldn't be here.

I see this as an absolute failure in judgement brought along by booze and whatever chemistry they did or whatever evillore perceived they had.

He made a play and it was a bold play a really awkward play.

Naked Man. It wasn't very effective.

She said go away he went away.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE TALKING ABOUT?

How old are you, kid? 15? Does your brain function properly? Because I really really really wanna know your thought process in this matter.

Does your usual flirting m.o involves being a complete unnecessary piece of shit that's: a) Not man enough to come out and face/deny it like a man and instead hides himself, takes down his site and lowkey points blame at it for blowing this shit out of proportion and b) a complete creep with no self respect?

Holy shit if you're what's left of Gaf I'm so fucking done here, and gladly to leave.