It's just flawed to excuse things due to peer pressure
It's not about excusing things, it's just recognizing that this kind of peer pressure is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
It's just flawed to excuse things due to peer pressure
Pressuring someone into agreement is also rape.
Christ, that's awful. I will never understand what makes people so angry with feminists and feminism. That knee jerk response of "bitch", "butch" or "feminazis". What the fuck.
In a perfect world peer pressure wouldn't exist but it's not so people just have to be smart and stand up for themselvesIt's not about excusing things, it's just recognizing that this kind of peer pressure is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
In a perfect world peer pressure wouldn't exist but it's not so people just have to be smart and stand up for themselves
Pressuring someone into agreement is also rape.
What can you do to stop the peer pressure?So you're saying we should just ignore the problem because there's no way we can create a perfect world and hope people can just deal with it?
This is what I envisioned being pressured wasNo it isn't. If you consent, it's not rape. Agreeing is consent as long as you're of age, aren't under any threat or duress, and are mentally capable of giving consent (not retarded, not inebriated, not otherwise incapacitated).
Pressure, not rape:
"Not tonight, I'm tired."
"C'monnnnn..., it's been a week!"
"Okay, make it quick."
Threats, rape:
"No, I don't want to."
"If you don't, I'll tell everyone that you're ___."
"Okay, I'll do it, just promise not to tell people that."
In a perfect world peer pressure wouldn't exist but it's not so people just have to be smart and stand up for themselves
Not ironic at all? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597991For some reason I'm reminded of this comic.
Sometimes being noble is just taking a piss in the wind, high school is one of those times.
What can you do? How about if you're a mother, father, parent, etc, that you tell your child that it's not okay to pressure someone into sexual or any other kind of situations.What can you do to stop the peer pressure?
Just make everyone aware of the peer pressure tactics and hope they make the right choice
This is what I envisioned being pressured was
Some people have different definitions of it I guess
If you can be pressured into sexual acts I'd say there's some issues there
Go straight to the source. Who or what is perpetuating the idea feminism is something to be laughed at?It absolutely disgusts me how we can't ever have reasonable discourse with some people when it comes to feminism, just look up anything on Youtube or Google about feminism and you'll finds lots of thumb downs, dislikes and negative comments, and this an internet wide thing, outside of feminist sites you'll find nothing but vitriol and negativity directed at it and you'll find people shutting down the conversation before we can even get started. How do we overcome that now that feminism is such a dirty word? I honestly don't know, but it's seriously jarring and depressing and as person who benefits greatly from feminism, I hate it.
A crescendo is a gradual build up not a peak grrrrrhh.The situation recently reached a crescendo
Victim of what peer pressure?Maybe it's because of how late it is, but this seems to me like it's veering dangerously close to victim blaming.
thats what I said earlierNot ironic at all? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597991
What can you do? How about if you're a mother, father, parent, etc, that you tell your child that it's not okay to pressure someone into sexual or any other kind of situations.
It seems that there's never any responsibility when things like this happen. The kids aren't blamed because "they're just kids," the parents are never blamed because "they don't know," and the schools are never blamed because "they can't control everything."
How about someone takes account for his/her kids and also instills some guiding thoughts into young adults?
Da fuqYeaaaaah...that is EXACTLY how those pressuring justify this. If you do not give in, you are a frigid bitch. If you give in, eventually you will just be marked as a slut to be abused. Good times, eh?
Back to the article in the OP: It is frightening to look at the faces of egos when they are realizing in their limited scope that what they are doing is WRONG, yet they grasp at straws trying to change the situation. That is when insults, verbal harassment comes into play - desperate egos really are disgusting.
Go straight to the source. Who or what is perpetuating the idea feminism is something to be laughed at?
Once you've found the cause [and combated it], then we can see feminism become tolerated.
It's also possible some hate feminism because they're insecure about it. I.e, some may actually like the privilege of bossing women around saying they only exist sex. Perhaps reason with them Women are human beings just like them?
Uh wouldn't the "source" be the jackasses that think it's OK to yell at a girl and call her a bitch because she doesn't have sex with them?
I really get sick and tired of the generic internet commenter who is able to read a story like the one in the OP and without ever mentioning how wrong the guys were, just jumps straight to how the girl should have acted differently or how it's all feminists fault somehow.
Many of the girls have eating disorders
I wonder why men don't go through the same things?Thank you blessed advertisement industry.
smh
What's even worse that nowadays such photos are always shopped. Even none of those models is that thin and that good looking. It's artificial bullshit.
Thank you blessed advertisement industry.
smh
What's even worse that nowadays such photos are always shopped. Even none of those models are that thin and that good looking. It's artificial bullshit. Could someone ban that please?
They wouldn't have to endure abuse if they weren't outspoken about their message and ignored a few catcalls. There's a reason there's no free speech or democracy for minors. It would be nice if you could create a social movement to change teenage kids not to be hateful little monsters but that's just not going to happen.
Christ, that's awful. I will never understand what makes people so angry with feminists and feminism. That knee jerk response of "bitch", "butch" or "feminazis". What the fuck.
Guys are just being guys under the influence of their male instincts. Besides, nobody forces girls to starve in order to stay thin. They do it because they want to be attractive to males.
They wouldn't have to endure abuse if they weren't outspoken about their message and ignored a few catcalls. There's a reason there's no free speech or democracy for minors. It would be nice if you could create a social movement to change teenage kids not to be hateful little monsters but that's just not going to happen.
I'd say the fault lies on feminism for not being able to effectively portray that it's about equality of the sexes versus the idea that it's merely for the benefit of women and women alone.
I think feminism is completely misunderstood by the majority of the population.
Even a year ago, the mention of 'feminism' would have just made me think of over-the-top ideas which don't really exist. I was fed with straw-feminists my whole life via the media, so when I even heard the mention of feminism, I just zoned out. Seriously, if you asked people "Should women have equal rights to men", then I'm sure that 95% of people would answer yes.
Saying that, I am concerned about young men, similar to those described in the OP. The treatment of women is perhaps even regressing from the last decade or so, with horrible things such as "LAD culture" being widely accepted. I think that teenage boys might be pressured in to complying with these sorts of horrible standards in order to fit in.
The blame can't be placed soley on advertising. I've seen parents encourage dieting in teens, and even seen parents shame girls for not being thin enough.
- 25% of Playboy centerfold models meet the criteria to be considered anorexic.
- Actresses Cameron Diaz, Julia Roberts and the singer Diana Ross meet the BMI criteria for anorexia.
- A People magazine survey showed that 80% of female respondents felt that women in movies and television programs made them feel insecure about their bodies.
- By 1990 the average age that a girl began dieting had dropped to eight from fourteen in 1970.
- The rate of eating disorders in Fiji surged following the introduction of Western television programming.
- Roughly one half of girls in 4th grade are on diets.
- More than half of nine and ten-year-old girls admitted that they felt better about themselves when dieting.
- Four out of five women in the U.S. are unhappy with their appearance.
- 81% of ten-year-old girls experience a fear of being fat.
- 73% of teenage girls who abuse diet pills and 79% of teenage girls who self-purge frequently read womens fitness and health magazines.
No it isn't. If you consent, it's not rape. Agreeing is consent as long as you're of age, aren't under any threat or duress, and are mentally capable of giving consent (not retarded, not inebriated, not otherwise incapacitated).
Pressure, not rape:
"Not tonight, I'm tired."
"C'monnnnn..., it's been a week!"
"Okay, make it quick."
Threats, rape:
"No, I don't want to."
"If you don't, I'll tell everyone that you're ___."
"Okay, I'll do it, just promise not to tell people that."
Why does everyone still continue to think that women need to be talked in/pressured into sex? It's like there are walkthroughs out there, and if you follow the steps you get sex as the prize. Saying no isn't being shy or playing hard to get.
Pretty much. And, contrary to popular belief, women do enjoy sex and will usually initiate when they want it!
I guess this is what they mean when they say education is needed on the definition of what constitutes a rape. What do you mean by agreeing? Physical acceptance is not enough. Pressuring someone into sex is most definitely rape. It doesn't have to involve a dark alley and a knife to someone's throat.
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No it seems it is about the different meaning you two give the word 'pressure'. He considers the first example already pressure and I think we all agree that first example is not rape.
Well no, but if he continued pestering her maybe.
So will men. And teenaged boys are a miserable pile of hormones without the experience or perceptiveness to balance that out. Therein lies the problem.I guess this is what they mean when they say education is needed on the definition of what constitutes a rape. What do you mean by agreeing? Physical acceptance is not enough. Pressuring someone into sex is most definitely rape. It doesn't have to involve a dark alley and a knife to someone's throat.
Pretty much. And, contrary to popular belief, women do enjoy sex and will usually initiate when they want it!
True. It all depends on the amount of 'persuasion/pressure' I guess. Anyway these are semantics. It all comes down to: No means no.
Well no, but if he continued pestering her maybe.
Well no, but if he continued pestering her maybe.
Sorry but no. Being annoying is not rape. If he resorts to using fear or intimidation then yeah.
He could be harassing her, that something different, but if she gives in to shut him up it's not rape.
No, insistent begging does not make it rape, at least not in the US.
There are a few things that nullify consent, and that isn't one of them.
Here is a general summary.
http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/html/crim/crim25.htm
Not sure if its the same in this case but the all boys grammar school I went to had an all girls grammar school next to it, and the two schools shared some facilities, staff, a sixth form and did some shared activities. I imagine it was something like that.It says they go to an all-girls school, but who are the boys they are talking about then?
Pressuring someone into sex isn't merely "being annoying".
That's common law.
Insistent begging no, but pressuring someone into sex maybe. If permission isn't gained it is - "lack of consent = forcible" according to your site.
That site also says that man cannot rape their wives. What the fuck.
It describes common law, modern statutory law, and the modern penal code, which is the basis for criminal law in many states. You're not reading it carefully.
Forcible does not mean insistent begging, or pressuring short of threats, it means force or threats of force.
Wrt marital rape, at common law one couldn't rape one's spouse. That is not the modern approach.
I guess it depends what you mean by "pressuring". Like I said, it's more than "insistent begging". You make it sound like it's just some guy going "pleeeeease... you're ALWAYS tireeeed".