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What is the most probable N64 Mini Lineup
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BassForever
Member
I think most people assuming 15 games agree on the same 10-11ish
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Paper Mario
Mario Party 2
Zelda OoT
Star Fox 64
Kirby 64
Yoshi Story
Super Smash Bros
F-Zero X
Donkey Kong 64
After that it gets fuzzy, do they include both OoT and MM? Will they include any 3rd party games and if so which ones? Is everything rare off the table minus DK64? Or could they possible get Banjo Kazooie or DKR? Do we get a pokemon game and if so which one (probably snap). Do we get either/both mario sports games? Do we get any of the extreme sport games (1080, excite bike 64, wave race 64)? And of course if its only 10 what do you cut from the above?
If we get a 16th/11th game it'll be master quest, sin and punishment was a normal release in japan so it doesn't market itself worldwide as something special.
Personally I think there's no way both Ocarina and Majora's Mask aren't on there. The NES Classic had every main Mario and Zelda game.
Rare is a big question mark.
Pokémon is a no-brainer, although unless they go great lengths to make it happen, only Snap and Puzzle League are possible. (Most likely Snap.)
Mario Golf/Tennis is 50/50.
Wave Race 64 I think will definitely happen. (Takahashi got promoted and Wave Race is his baby.) 1080 and Excite Bike are less likely, I think there are other games they would rather include.
PanicFreak
Member
I think Microsoft and Nintendo would make a deal for a couple Rare titles.
BassForever
Member
I largely agree with that, but of the super obvious games Majora's Mask is the first one I remotely hesitate on and that's only because it's another single player only game. So far we have sm64, paper mario, oot, and yoshi 64. If you include snap that's 5 single player games and considering the n64 classic is going to almost demand people buy more controllers for 4 players I think Nintendo is gonna want to squeeze in as many games that support 4 players as possible. I suppose you could include puzzle league to scratch the pokemon itch (and panel de pon was in japan's snes classic) and still have a 1:2 single to multiplayer ratio with mm being the 5th mp game.
I'd argue excitebike 64 has a better chance then you give it credit for since excitebike was in the nes classic, though I agree it would probably get in after wave race.
ClivePwned
Member
It would never happen but Goldeneye would be the killer app. The other rare stuff is available elsewhere. Since MS has Minecraft on Switch, it doesn't sound that faar-fetched for them to do a Goldeneye deal. The licensors would be the problem (B-b-b-bu Bond is worth billions)
other than that (basically a list of M64 games I played or want to see)
Super Mario 64
MK64
Ocarina of Time
Majoras Mask (despite me hating it)
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
Doom 64
Rocket Robot on Wheels (never played but its by Sucker Punch)
Duke Nukem 64
Duke Nukem Zero Hour
Tony Hawk 1 and 2
DK64
Rayman 2
and just for the collectors Starcraft 64
other than that (basically a list of M64 games I played or want to see)
Super Mario 64
MK64
Ocarina of Time
Majoras Mask (despite me hating it)
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
Doom 64
Rocket Robot on Wheels (never played but its by Sucker Punch)
Duke Nukem 64
Duke Nukem Zero Hour
Tony Hawk 1 and 2
DK64
Rayman 2
and just for the collectors Starcraft 64
From a 1st party perspective, having F-Zero X and Kirby 64 would pretty neat, particularly since I've never played those games. Especially if they include the DD expansion pack.
Third party wise, since I'm an FPS fan, Doom 64 and Quake 2 would be awesome due to their exclusive content, not seen in any other versions. Heck, even Hexen or Quake 1 would be nice. But I'm guessing none of these will end up in the final cut.
Castlevania: LoD would make sense, but I dont think there were that many fans at the time.
An N64 mini classic is a bit of a bittersweet experience, really. One of my favorite consoles, but that has the side effect of having played most of what's probably being included to death, thus diminishing the hype levels.
Third party wise, since I'm an FPS fan, Doom 64 and Quake 2 would be awesome due to their exclusive content, not seen in any other versions. Heck, even Hexen or Quake 1 would be nice. But I'm guessing none of these will end up in the final cut.
Castlevania: LoD would make sense, but I dont think there were that many fans at the time.
An N64 mini classic is a bit of a bittersweet experience, really. One of my favorite consoles, but that has the side effect of having played most of what's probably being included to death, thus diminishing the hype levels.
SatoAilDarko
Member
I think it has 15 games max. People were making 30 game lists for the SNES Mini and I said 20 then.
I would guess 12.
I would guess 12.
Did a post about this on Twitter:
Note: Forgot Smash Bros.
(...)
Nice list, i would buy that + Smash.
I would love Turok to be included as well, but i don't think is going to happen.
Wouldn't Nintendo and/or Microsoft have to put more work into making Rare's N64 games "look" like they originally did? Or would Nintendo allow those games to run as their HD remasters? I know Rare decided to use a third-party emulator for porting their games to Rare Replay on Xbox One, and Nintendo would be strongly against that. I imagine Nintendo just wants to treat the inevitable N64 Classic Edition as a big ROM dump like they did with the others. So, in that case, I can see a list like this:
-1080 Snowboarding
-Bomberman 64
-Cruisin' USA
-Donkey Kong 64
-Excitebike 64
-F-Zero X
-Harvest Moon 64
-Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
-The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
-The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
-Mario Kart 64
-Mario Party 2
-Ogre Battle 64
-Paper Mario
-Sin and Punishment
-Starfox 64
-Super Mario 64
-Super Smash Bros.
-Wave Race 64
-Yoshi's Story
Just basically see what's already on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console and go from there. I would also be very surprised if Nintendo put 20 games on the N64 Classic Edition. I can see them doing 10 or 15.
-1080 Snowboarding
-Bomberman 64
-Cruisin' USA
-Donkey Kong 64
-Excitebike 64
-F-Zero X
-Harvest Moon 64
-Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
-The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
-The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
-Mario Kart 64
-Mario Party 2
-Ogre Battle 64
-Paper Mario
-Sin and Punishment
-Starfox 64
-Super Mario 64
-Super Smash Bros.
-Wave Race 64
-Yoshi's Story
Just basically see what's already on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console and go from there. I would also be very surprised if Nintendo put 20 games on the N64 Classic Edition. I can see them doing 10 or 15.
San Franciso Rush 2049 its far better in Dreamcast
Dr. Carroll
Banned
Which is a long-dead console. It doesn't matter whether a game was available on other platforms. If Sony made a "PS1 Mini", half the games would be "better on PC" or "better on Dreamcast". But people wanting to play the jiggly PS1 version of Metal Gear Solid would be happy.
In the N64's case, SF Rush 2049 is an excellent title with no obvious shortcomings. The existence of an improved Dreamcast version is neither here nor there. Same goes for Rayman, which was originally an N64 game but ported to other platforms. The purpose of an N64 Mini is to play N64 games, not Dreamcast games. Not PS2 games.
Oh, in this case i totally agree. SF Rush 2049 its a great multiplayer game. I would consider it too. In fact, i think battle mode in this game its the best one. This or Twisted metal Black
if this thing is real, then i believe there could be 15-20 games, and i think this is a very likely selection:
-1080 snowboarding
-Bomberman 64
-Fzero X
-Harvest Moon 64
-Kirby 64
-Legend of Zelda: OoT
-Legend of Zelda: MM
-Mario Kart 64
-Mario Party
-Mario Tennis
-Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
-Ogre Battle 64
-Paper Mario
-Pokemon Stadium
-Rayman 2
-Sin & Punishment
-Starfox 64
-Super Mario 64
-Super Smash Bros
-Waverace 64
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Games they could get with little difficulty excluding other 1st party titles:
-Hybrid Heaven
-ISS 64
-Megaman 64
-Operation Winback
-Rakuga kids
-Rayman 2
-Resident Evil 2
-Ridge Racer 64
-Snowboard Kids
-Star Soldier: vanishing earth
-Tonic Trouble
i deliberately left out the Castlevania games, as konami has publicly stated they are not happy with their work on these titles, and that we should forget they ever made them (even though i thought LoD was great). oh and aside from ubisoft, i did not include any western 3rd party developed titles either.
-1080 snowboarding
-Bomberman 64
-Fzero X
-Harvest Moon 64
-Kirby 64
-Legend of Zelda: OoT
-Legend of Zelda: MM
-Mario Kart 64
-Mario Party
-Mario Tennis
-Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
-Ogre Battle 64
-Paper Mario
-Pokemon Stadium
-Rayman 2
-Sin & Punishment
-Starfox 64
-Super Mario 64
-Super Smash Bros
-Waverace 64
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Games they could get with little difficulty excluding other 1st party titles:
-Hybrid Heaven
-ISS 64
-Megaman 64
-Operation Winback
-Rakuga kids
-Rayman 2
-Resident Evil 2
-Ridge Racer 64
-Snowboard Kids
-Star Soldier: vanishing earth
-Tonic Trouble
i deliberately left out the Castlevania games, as konami has publicly stated they are not happy with their work on these titles, and that we should forget they ever made them (even though i thought LoD was great). oh and aside from ubisoft, i did not include any western 3rd party developed titles either.
chronic_archaic
Member
I said the same thing. It will basically be the Wii VC and maybe a surprise like Wonder Project or the F Zero expansion kit. Probably not though.
These things are tiny enough to swap them out without any hassle.
Is Master quest that special though? It was included in the special edition of Wind Waker for the GC. I dont even remember seeing a non special edition of that game. Plus, it's not even that diferent, only the dungeons change some stuff around.
molnizzle
Member
Yeah.
They shouldn't release an N64 mini then.
Goldeneye must be there. That game defined the N64 for many.
BassForever
Member
I said if, there aren't that many star fox 2's sitting around to be released as a bonus. I agree master quest isn't that big a deal, but it seems like an easier bonus to throw in then the f-zero x dd content.
GinoFelino
Member
I wouldn't rule out Microsoft working out a deal with Nintendo to allow the Banjo games on it.
Not like it's Microsoft's cash cow or anything
The IP is basically just sitting there on a shelf
Not like it's Microsoft's cash cow or anything
The IP is basically just sitting there on a shelf
The whole rights things for GoldenEye is not an insurmountable task, as we know that Iwata pulled the plug on the whole "GE remake on 360 for Rare on VC" deal in what was essentially the 11th hour. However, one element that's changed since then is that the video game rights reverted back to Eon Productions, so we'd be looking at a situation where now either Nintendo or MS (maybe both?) would have to pony up the dough to get those rights. The question for Nintendo now becomes if there is enough money to be made for all the work and cash that needs to happen in order to make it a reality in the first place.
Fox Mulder
Member
They'd absolutely have to license the Rare games. I don't think MS would be against it and Rare Replay seemed to be a sales dud.
I would line up to buy this. Fantastic puzzle games, both of them.
legacyzero
Banned
Not enough good 3rd party stuff on that. Probably won't see any license or RARE stuff either unfortunately. Shame. Would love to see Goldeneye and Perfect Dark come back for some couch coop.
MercuryLS3
Junior Member
I really hope every game on this thing is 60fps, the frame rate on N64 games is nausea inducing now.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I'll take a tag and your mod status if so.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Let's say 15.
1) Mario 64 - It's a little-known game, but I think Nintendo may want to give it a chance.
2) Ocarina of Time - Majora's Mask would be on here as well, but there's the one-per-series rule (tbh I think Nintendo would include both of them). Maybe Master Quest could be the "bonus" title a la Star Fox 2.
3) Donkey Kong 64 - Whatever arrangement they have with Rare has already let them do this as a Virtual Console title so I'd consider it a shoe-in.
4) Paper Mario - N64 is weak on traditional RPGs and this is easily the most well-known.
5) Star Fox 64 - After two Star Fox games made it into the SNES Classic this seems like a no-brainer.
6) Super Smash Bros. - I don't think this series ever really hit it big until Melee, but the first game still sold well and is fun in its own right.
7) Mario Kart 64 - tbh my least favorite of the console Mario Karts, but it's a staple of the library.
8) Mario Party 2 - Almost has to be represented, and this one seems to be the go-to for Nintendo (1 has the joystick issue, 3 has never been rereleased to my knowledge).
9) Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - Just gotta get all those big Nintendo franchises represented.
10) Mario Golf - I feel the N64 era was where Nintendo really started overexposing Mario in every genre.
11) Mario Tennis - oh god so much Mario
12) Wave Race 64 - Never played it myself but it seems to be fairly beloved, enough to get a sequel on the GameCube at launch.
13) Pokémon Snap - I imagine Pokémon would be represented on here somehow, but Hey You, Pikachu is obviously out, and the Stadium games require the transfer pak to get the most of it (playing with rentals would suuuck) which means it would come down to Snap or Puzzle League. I'm guessing they'd go with Snap just because it seemed to be more popular, but who knows. If they could somehow finagle it to let you upload Pokémon from the 3DS Virtual Console games, I'd rather they do Pokémon Stadium 2.
14) F-Zero X - Almost forgot about this one! Sorry F-Zero, you know I love you baby.
15) Sin and Punishment - It's been a mainstay release for every Virtual Console N64 lineup, so I imagine it would find its way here as an easy "look, a game we never released in America!*"
Swap out the Mario sports games for Majora's Mask and 1080 Snowboarding if preferred.
Bonus, third party deals!
16) Castlevania 64 - This game isn't very highly esteemed, but I could see Nintendo including it for brand recognition.
17) Mega Man 64 - Same as Castlevania. One more name they could slap on the box.
18) Star Wars: Rogue Squadron - I think Shadows of the Empire is more iconic to the N64 being a launch window title, but Rogue Squadron has aged much better.
19) Banjo-Kazooie - One of the biggies, obviously this would require some wheeling and dealing with Microsoft to get this done, but probably an easier lift than...
20) GoldenEye 007 - If they didn't want to deal with the licensing kerfuffle, they could always go with Perfect Dark, but I think Nintendo would shy away from including anything M-rated just so kids aren't prevented from buying the console.
21) Bonus Unreleased Game Wow: Dinosaur Planet - lol
1) Mario 64 - It's a little-known game, but I think Nintendo may want to give it a chance.
2) Ocarina of Time - Majora's Mask would be on here as well, but there's the one-per-series rule (tbh I think Nintendo would include both of them). Maybe Master Quest could be the "bonus" title a la Star Fox 2.
3) Donkey Kong 64 - Whatever arrangement they have with Rare has already let them do this as a Virtual Console title so I'd consider it a shoe-in.
4) Paper Mario - N64 is weak on traditional RPGs and this is easily the most well-known.
5) Star Fox 64 - After two Star Fox games made it into the SNES Classic this seems like a no-brainer.
6) Super Smash Bros. - I don't think this series ever really hit it big until Melee, but the first game still sold well and is fun in its own right.
7) Mario Kart 64 - tbh my least favorite of the console Mario Karts, but it's a staple of the library.
8) Mario Party 2 - Almost has to be represented, and this one seems to be the go-to for Nintendo (1 has the joystick issue, 3 has never been rereleased to my knowledge).
9) Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - Just gotta get all those big Nintendo franchises represented.
10) Mario Golf - I feel the N64 era was where Nintendo really started overexposing Mario in every genre.
11) Mario Tennis - oh god so much Mario
12) Wave Race 64 - Never played it myself but it seems to be fairly beloved, enough to get a sequel on the GameCube at launch.
13) Pokémon Snap - I imagine Pokémon would be represented on here somehow, but Hey You, Pikachu is obviously out, and the Stadium games require the transfer pak to get the most of it (playing with rentals would suuuck) which means it would come down to Snap or Puzzle League. I'm guessing they'd go with Snap just because it seemed to be more popular, but who knows. If they could somehow finagle it to let you upload Pokémon from the 3DS Virtual Console games, I'd rather they do Pokémon Stadium 2.
14) F-Zero X - Almost forgot about this one! Sorry F-Zero, you know I love you baby.
15) Sin and Punishment - It's been a mainstay release for every Virtual Console N64 lineup, so I imagine it would find its way here as an easy "look, a game we never released in America!*"
Swap out the Mario sports games for Majora's Mask and 1080 Snowboarding if preferred.
Bonus, third party deals!
16) Castlevania 64 - This game isn't very highly esteemed, but I could see Nintendo including it for brand recognition.
17) Mega Man 64 - Same as Castlevania. One more name they could slap on the box.
18) Star Wars: Rogue Squadron - I think Shadows of the Empire is more iconic to the N64 being a launch window title, but Rogue Squadron has aged much better.
19) Banjo-Kazooie - One of the biggies, obviously this would require some wheeling and dealing with Microsoft to get this done, but probably an easier lift than...
20) GoldenEye 007 - If they didn't want to deal with the licensing kerfuffle, they could always go with Perfect Dark, but I think Nintendo would shy away from including anything M-rated just so kids aren't prevented from buying the console.
21) Bonus Unreleased Game Wow: Dinosaur Planet - lol
MaverickHunterX
Member
I'm surprised people haven't listed Dr. Mario 64 or Pokémon Puzzle League as filter games
ForkNetwork
Banned
Yo gimme Pokemon Puzzle League and Im there day 1
Hell I would probably be day 1 regardless, growing up with the N64 means this is MY Nes Classic.
I guess the system would be missing the more popular Rare titles. Blast Corps and GoldenEye would
be good along with the no brainers (Mario 64 etc).
If these games are re-released unchanged from their original release by Nintendo who were the original publishers - would they still need permission?
be good along with the no brainers (Mario 64 etc).
If these games are re-released unchanged from their original release by Nintendo who were the original publishers - would they still need permission?
CharminUltra
Member
They'll finish the 3D Mother 3 version to include it.
TannerDemoz
Member
fighters destiny, beetle adventure racing, Turok 2, mystical ninja starring goemon and Res 2 is all the third party support it needs
Same. They have to negotiate anyway on DK64 due to Jetpac, so why not negotiate for other games?
EVA UNIT 01
Member
timetokill
Banned
Y'all playin like Turok ain't gonna be on this thing? 
31GhostsIV
Banned
As an OG N64 owner twenty (!!!!) years ago, to not see Goldeneye, Banjo, Perfect Dark or No Mercy on there would be a real shame.
As an aside, I'm surprised Nintendo went for a SNES mini before a Gameboy mini.
As an aside, I'm surprised Nintendo went for a SNES mini before a Gameboy mini.
timetokill
Banned
Here's the OPTIMAL list. 20 Games.
1. Super Mario 64
2. Mario Kart 64
3. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
4. Super Smash Bros.
5. GoldenEye 007
6. Wave Race 64
7. F-Zero X
8. Mario Party 2
9. Star Fox 64
10. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter / Turok 2: Seeds of Evil (either one)
11. Ogre Battle 64
12. Banjo-Kazooie
13. WWF No Mercy
14. Mario Tennis
15. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
16. Paper Mario
17. International Superstar Soccer '98
18. Jet Force Gemini
19. Beetle Adventure Racing
20. WinBack
[BONUS ROUND]
21. Perfect Dark
22. Space Station Silicon Valley
23. Rayman 2: The Great Escape
24. Excitebike 64
25. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
1. Super Mario 64
2. Mario Kart 64
3. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
4. Super Smash Bros.
5. GoldenEye 007
6. Wave Race 64
7. F-Zero X
8. Mario Party 2
9. Star Fox 64
10. Turok: Dinosaur Hunter / Turok 2: Seeds of Evil (either one)
11. Ogre Battle 64
12. Banjo-Kazooie
13. WWF No Mercy
14. Mario Tennis
15. Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
16. Paper Mario
17. International Superstar Soccer '98
18. Jet Force Gemini
19. Beetle Adventure Racing
20. WinBack
[BONUS ROUND]
21. Perfect Dark
22. Space Station Silicon Valley
23. Rayman 2: The Great Escape
24. Excitebike 64
25. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
ST2K
Member
The fact that this is the only post that mentions the GOAT console RTS is a travesty.
Starcraft 64 or Nintendo can jump in a lake.