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What the hell is wrong with Sega?
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T-1000_Model3
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Didn't we just have this topic done a few days ago? If you don't own all 3 consoles then rent the game youre looking at and play it at a friends house. You guys must have a shit load of grey hairs with this constant need to bitch so often. Sega doesn't owe anybody a damn thing,theyre out for themselves,the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
Justin Bailey
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I'm not really bitching, I'm just amazed that they wouldn't put MB deluxe on the GC as well. Both games packed in with a few extras would definitely sell on the system that supported the monkey ball franchise.
Buffy4ever
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TheGreenGiant said:
I am getting tired of the nintendo trolls and the X-box hate. I am sure their is a reason why Sega is supporting Microsoft's X-box. Maybe the Sega games are selling well in Europe on the X-box. No one has ever pulled up a chart showing the sales in Europe, it is always the USA. Thier has to be a reason for Sega giving the X-box it''s support, we just aren't seeing it. It is Sega's Decision, let them worry about what sells and what doesn't. If you own a PS2 or X-box with the Gamecube then you should have no problem with the Sega support. I am, so tired of people talking about the sell, is like they can't enjoy the games anymore and thier too worried about video game politics.
T-1000_Model3
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Justin Bailey said:
Allright,sorry about that. And yes i do see your point. Forsome reason Sega seems to be loosing interest in GameCube. Maybe the money hats aren'tquite as green over there I dunno. I know I'd be in agony if I didn't own all consoles,mainly because you don't know what Sega games are going to end up where next. Its like Sega's wacky decision making never ended with the death of the DreamCast. Heh.
Buffy4ever
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As some one said, if thier are Sega games you want and thier not on your system, get another system to go along with your Gamecube. Being a system Loyalist doens't get you anywhere in this age when your system is 2nd and 3rd.
Here's the problem that the Cube is now facing. In Japan it is a very distant second place. In the rest of the world, it seems that it faces a huge image problem.
Criteria for the third party publishers:
1. Japan = the game goes to the PS2.
2. Everywhere else = PS2 is a given, and the XBOX shares the same type of audience.
Also, another factor involved in the lessening support for Nintendo is Sammy. They haven't provided any Nintendo support, AFAIK, and this could also be the where the support decision is coming from now that they are the owners.
Criteria for the third party publishers:
1. Japan = the game goes to the PS2.
2. Everywhere else = PS2 is a given, and the XBOX shares the same type of audience.
Also, another factor involved in the lessening support for Nintendo is Sammy. They haven't provided any Nintendo support, AFAIK, and this could also be the where the support decision is coming from now that they are the owners.
Doom_Bringer
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Buffy4ever
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jarrod said:
Jarrod Do you have the Numbers for the PSO keyboard for both US and Japan? Maybe it don't sell will.....so that could be what they are basing there support on.
No numbers, but I imagine it sold decently the first time around (at least for a game specific peripheral), though Ascii released it that time. Sammy released it alongside PSO1&2 Plus and PSO3, neither of which did all that well. :/sonic4ever said:
Still, I can't imagine GGXX#reload did too well on XBox either and Sammy's going full force on that platform...
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I don't think it's worth getting worked up over. But I will say this.
Sega, you do little right these days, and you're rather undeserving of current love, Dreamcast being dead for awhile now. That said, you add to the bucket of misery that is the birthright of all Nintendo fanboyz...and that my friends, is worth something. Viva la Sega. Another day, another whambulance.
Sega, you do little right these days, and you're rather undeserving of current love, Dreamcast being dead for awhile now. That said, you add to the bucket of misery that is the birthright of all Nintendo fanboyz...and that my friends, is worth something. Viva la Sega. Another day, another whambulance.
Man, you Nintendo fans cry about everything.
So what if its on Xbox, you want to play those games, buy an Xbox. MS and Sega must have some sort of strong relationship which results in more content, maybe MS gives Sega extra incentives to develop for Xbox, who knows.
Outrun 2 is out soon, another Sega classic. Thanks Sega
So what if its on Xbox, you want to play those games, buy an Xbox. MS and Sega must have some sort of strong relationship which results in more content, maybe MS gives Sega extra incentives to develop for Xbox, who knows.
Outrun 2 is out soon, another Sega classic. Thanks Sega
You know...what fun will the Mini Games be if you need a Multitap to really enjoy them?
And how in the hell will this succeed on the XBox?
It's an easy decision, costs little money, and they've milked the first two for all their worth through PC...this is a good move, but it doesn't make a whole lot of actual sense, game wise.
And how in the hell will this succeed on the XBox?
It's an easy decision, costs little money, and they've milked the first two for all their worth through PC...this is a good move, but it doesn't make a whole lot of actual sense, game wise.
ArcadeStickMonk
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Justin Bailey said:
man, thats not even funny
anybody who pulls Link out on me gets Astaroth, then they prolly stop playing
GCN owners should not complain about the xbox Super Monkey Ball compilation. We've been playing Super Monkey Ball for years now; that certainly makes up for putting 2 games and some extra levels into the one compilation.
But that wacky tacky SEGA sure does make some wacky decisions...
But that wacky tacky SEGA sure does make some wacky decisions...
What the hell is wrong with Nintendo fanboys?
SEGA is doing (a probably inexpensive) port of a Naomi 2 game onto the Xbox.
"OH WHAT? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT SMB WASN'T MADE GROUND UP ON THE GC?"
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I'll agree, I'd like to see SEGA's games on the (hardware-wise) superior Xbox. Shinobi and VF3 are the 2 best examples. Actually, the only 2 examples I can think of.
And the same probably applies to GC owners. But guess what, that probably takes a lot more time and effort and isn't worth it. VF3 to the PS2 wasn't a trivial and easy thing to do. Thus I don't expect it anytime soon on the GC and Xbox, both consoles' userbases are dwarfed by the PS2 userbase, FYI.
Here's a simple solution. BUY AN XBOX. Heck, you just might play it more than your GameCube.
You are missing out on the greatest hockey game ever made. How can you deny yourself that? It boggles the mind!
SEGA has made a lot of stupid, assinine, and retarded mistakes in the past. They've f*cked up on a number of occassions.
But porting Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 to the Xbox is not one of them.
SEGA is doing (a probably inexpensive) port of a Naomi 2 game onto the Xbox.
"OH WHAT? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT SMB WASN'T MADE GROUND UP ON THE GC?"
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I'll agree, I'd like to see SEGA's games on the (hardware-wise) superior Xbox. Shinobi and VF3 are the 2 best examples. Actually, the only 2 examples I can think of.
And the same probably applies to GC owners. But guess what, that probably takes a lot more time and effort and isn't worth it. VF3 to the PS2 wasn't a trivial and easy thing to do. Thus I don't expect it anytime soon on the GC and Xbox, both consoles' userbases are dwarfed by the PS2 userbase, FYI.
Here's a simple solution. BUY AN XBOX. Heck, you just might play it more than your GameCube.
You are missing out on the greatest hockey game ever made. How can you deny yourself that? It boggles the mind!
SEGA has made a lot of stupid, assinine, and retarded mistakes in the past. They've f*cked up on a number of occassions.
But porting Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 to the Xbox is not one of them.
Date of Lies
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Fight for Freeform said:
Oh my god, please remove your dick from the back of your xbox.
Buffy4ever
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Fight for Freeform said:
Go Go Ackman!
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T-1000_Model3 said:
Post of the bloody year.
Date of Lies
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Fight for Freeform said:
Please direct your MS PR elsewhere, I already have an Xbox,
Ugh, this is getting out of hand.
You know, it is disappointing to see great games get ported away from the GC and get the deluxe treatment with nothing in return, but what are people expecting? Multiplatform development drives the industry now, but Nintendo has rode the exclusive games philosophy for far too long to get a break.
Frankly, if you want to bitch about something, maybe you should ask about what kind of future support that Sega is going to give Nintendo now. Porting SMB is minor thing compared to not seeing Sega on the GC anymore. I haven't heard any annoucements for GC in the last few months--I'm beginning to wonder if Amazing Island might be the last Sega game we'll see on the GC.
You know, it is disappointing to see great games get ported away from the GC and get the deluxe treatment with nothing in return, but what are people expecting? Multiplatform development drives the industry now, but Nintendo has rode the exclusive games philosophy for far too long to get a break.
Frankly, if you want to bitch about something, maybe you should ask about what kind of future support that Sega is going to give Nintendo now. Porting SMB is minor thing compared to not seeing Sega on the GC anymore. I haven't heard any annoucements for GC in the last few months--I'm beginning to wonder if Amazing Island might be the last Sega game we'll see on the GC.
Buffy4ever
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etiolate said:
People are not just defending Sega to annoy Nintendo fans. People defend Sega becuase they like their games and they don't see the problem with putting Monkey Ball on other systems. Nintendo fans need to learn that Sega doesn't owe Nintendo or their fans anything. They are Sega's games and they can bring them to whichever system they wish. It is Nintendo fans who still think that Nintendo should be treated like they're number 1 like in the 8 bit days. Those days are gone. Nintendo fans just need to get over their whining. Sega is going to do what they want to do. A real Sega fan will have bought a PS2 or Xbox by now because they will have seen that is where the real support is from Sega. I ask again why are Nintendo fans not screaming about Capcom or Namco, as both Viewtiful Joe and Tales of Symphonia are going to PS2.
sonic4ever said:
I think GameCube owners despise not getting Dante, getting screwed out of extra Tales content, and paying more than 3x the price for two Monkey Balls that don't even contain as much content.
I'd rather get things multiplatformed from the very beginning if there were any intentions of doing so, so no one gets screwed,
Buffy4ever
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AniHawk said:
thanks Ani-Hawk.
I know I often post spelling and grammer errors. I tend start typing to fast when I get worked up. Plus I have bad eye sight, I often miss simple things.Buffy4ever
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nitewulf said:
I thought thier was just was Just "Tales of Symphony" on the Gamecube, I didn't think thier was any other Tales game. I guess I should have said, "I ask again why are Nintendo fans not screaming about Capcom or Namco, both Viewtiful Joe and Tales of Symphony on Nintendo Gamecube are going to PS2."
OG_Original Gamer
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I don't think that its about being upset at the game being ported to the Xbox/PS2 in general, its more about porting all games across all platforms.
SMB is not the kind of game that has gamers up in a frenzy on release, so to release it on other consoles but to leave other franchises untouched in the porting realm seems sort of ass backward.
But I think you have to consider the fact that SMB/2 are not what you would call high profile. The games are more financially less risky then Panzor Dragon or VF4.
SMB is not the kind of game that has gamers up in a frenzy on release, so to release it on other consoles but to leave other franchises untouched in the porting realm seems sort of ass backward.
But I think you have to consider the fact that SMB/2 are not what you would call high profile. The games are more financially less risky then Panzor Dragon or VF4.
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OG_Original Gamer said:
Panzer sure, but VF4 is pretty high profile imo.
sonic4ever said:
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T-1000_Model3 said:
A-FUCKING-MEN.
Speevy said:
:lol Pathetic...
Musashi Wins! said:
:lol
For all the yap about M$ and "teh money hat$!!!11" that usually goes on in other threads, it's always hilarious that the same people somehow don't consider the realistic possibility of Microsoft compensating Sega quite well for their wares since they're one of the few third party Japanese developers that actually gives a honest effort when making an XBox game. Not neccessarily compensation in terms of buying the games, but certainly in terms of giving them a great deal on the license fee. Meanwhile we know that Nintendo rarely plays that game even with the big boys, let alone with a company that's lost much of it's selling power in recent years. So what the fuck's so hard to figure out here? Meanwhile everyone with a working brain cell knows that Sony bought VF4, otherwise it would've shown up on XBox as well. Hell, there was talk that part of the Sony/VF4 arrangement is that Sega had to kill off a DC version that was pretty far along. With that being the case, it stands to reason that it hasn't shown up anywhere else.
If I'm being given early incentive to make product for one thing, and no incentive to make product for another, it's a pretty easy decision for me where I'm gonna go. As for PS2, I reckon it's 900 million userbase is incentive enough to toss that machine a bone or two. These things just aren't that hard to figure out, unless you've got a Cube lodged up your ass with a controller dangling out. When Nintendo does give Sega an incentive to make a game for their machine, they make something like F-Zero, with an arcade version and a deluxe cabinet to boot. It isn't complicated.
Did anyone bitch this loudly when Burnout 2 on XBox was given extra content? Probably not, since it was only published by Acclaim and who gives a shit about them anyway? But every fucking move Sega makes gets dissected by a bunch of children who'd probably only play thier games if it was given to them. In one sense I guess it proves that Sega still has stroke in the hardcore gaming realm, but such overwhelming constant negativity over the most trivial things just mystifies me.
Of course MS pays developers to make Xbox games. Seamus Blackley in a PGC audio interview said the Xbox was creating a reverse economy of games where the publisher's desire for a varied library overrides what actually sells.
Besides, for every GameCube game that loses exclusivety, there's two more franchises that don't get ported to it and that's the whole hatred behind Sega. They aren't balancing out the screw-over to everyone. It's just slapping Nintendo fans in the face and pumping MS and Sony with more content.
Besides, for every GameCube game that loses exclusivety, there's two more franchises that don't get ported to it and that's the whole hatred behind Sega. They aren't balancing out the screw-over to everyone. It's just slapping Nintendo fans in the face and pumping MS and Sony with more content.
M3wThr33 said:
To Nintendo fans I say too fucking bad. Find me the law that says third parties should even out the exclusive and ports among two or three consoles.
Bottom line is there's no obligation for a company to do anything on a console. As a Sega fan, I oughta know. Third parties releasing Saturn versions of their games several weeks after the PSX version, if at all. Or third parties giving the DC PSX games in high res. Hell, Sega pulled the plug early on the fucking Dreamcast...I could've sat in a corner and grumbled for three years, or I could choose to buy the "enemy consoles", continue to play their games and get the fuck over it. If your brain isn't fried by crack and you're older then 12, logic says you get over it.
Nintendo fans should be upset at Nintendo if anything else. MS obviously has no problem subsidizing publishers for games, even if they do sell like shit. All I ever hear about is Nintendo's much vaunted $5 billion war chest. Well why not fucking use it? If MS can grease the palms of publishers with their coin, I don't know why Nintendo can't do the same thing. Not that Nintendo is obligated to do that either. But when XBox is getting old exclusives or extra content while Cube gets nothing, the only one to blame for that is Nintendo.