gutter_trash
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Texas was once Blue and it will turn blue again, give it 8 to 12 years and it will be Blue for a 50 years
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Why not let the Southern US be its own country?
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Truer words were never spoken.
Razgriz-Specter
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Belongs to the US government which theoretically belongs to the people.
OrangeGrayBlue
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True. I'm curious to see how the GOP adjusts to deal with that.
Collapse is an overstatement, but there would be serious issues in the south, not to say the north wouldn't have its own issues. Financially, red states have depended on more federal tax dollars than blue. Then there's the whole discrimination thing, which would eventually lead to strife. I'd imagine that religion would guide many decisions, forcing those with different religions to conform or be discriminated against. Southern state and city governments would put in place repetitive functions of government that the current federal government handles (i.e. different standards everywhere.) Even more lax gun laws would lead to higher firearm death rates and suicide rates. Schools would teach slanted views on history, Barack "Hussein" Obama and Reganomics works and god was responsible for x or y. Worker rights would be diminished, wages would fall for the poor and safety regulations would be relaxed in the name of profits.
Kind of like what's happening now, only on a larger scale.
Sir Abacus
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The electoral college serves at the pleasure of the state legislature by allowing the electorate to choose the electors. The state legislature is far redder because of it being far more gerrymandered than an at-large district. If the Texan electoral college turned blue there are three ways the state legislature could go about it:
1) Elect the electoral college based on congressional districts won (which are also gerrymandered) plus two votes for the winner.
2) Elect the electoral college based on proportion of popular vote
3) Supply explicitly republican electors to the college without even being included in the presidential vote.
davepoobond
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The key is "all" of the people, not "some" of the people.
The Technomancer
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Wait what? When I think Midwest I think Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota and Iowa
OrangeGrayBlue
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Logistically, yes, but I was thinking more in terms of how the republican party would adjust their national platform to account for having lost Texas as part of the electoral math in presidential elections. Without Texas, how do they maintain a path to 270 is what I'm asking.
No, the US should just fucking get rid of gerrymandering. Implement a law requiring competitive districts. Congress is fucking moronic because the majority of house representatives have uncompetative districts allowing the most extreme, vitriolic, asinine, destructive, pandering to the fringes, representatives to be elected and spread their poisonous venom into our national discourse. The majority of country does not have the same beliefs as snakes like Ted Cruz.
Ryouji Gunblade
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Why not just do direct democracy? That way companies will have to buy the people's vote directly.
Eh? You can't really use gerrymandering and Ted Cruz in the same example. Unless you are imlying he won because of gerrymandering. In which case I would love to hear your argument
Lol no, it's a bad example for obvious combatability reasons. But there can only be limited numbers of guys like him in the Senate, while the house can artificially inflate his type of extreme on both sides using gerrymandering. That's what I mean
I was using him as a representative of fringe beliefs because he is well known. I was also trying to have fun with hyperbole since that's what this thread is.
Admiral Woofington
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Razgriz-Specter
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The whole idea is dumb
but if a huge majority(90%+) of a state's population was in favor of it, then that is that.
However Alaska I would say is a different story, even at 100% i'd say the population/state government doesn't have enough of a claim.
But while at a single thought it could sound good to the crazy people out there who think they are better of isolated, once they put actual thought into this they would realize how stupid it is.
Yoda
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The outcome wouldn't go as you are describing. Compared to most democracies are political parties aren't really that far apart (when you examine their voting record). Most likely overtime the new nations would simply find a different difference to hyperfocus on as opposed to governing in harmony and ending the non-stop theater we see in Washington and increasingly in state capitols.
Also larger nations can leverage their position in the global economy to greater effect than smaller economies. Canada is probably the greatest example of a relatively stable economy being punished for its size (declining currency). Compare this to the EU which is a cluster-fuck beyond belief in terms of fiscal policy, yet they still command a stronger currency, which effect the day-to-day lives of every single citizen.
Also larger nations can leverage their position in the global economy to greater effect than smaller economies. Canada is probably the greatest example of a relatively stable economy being punished for its size (declining currency). Compare this to the EU which is a cluster-fuck beyond belief in terms of fiscal policy, yet they still command a stronger currency, which effect the day-to-day lives of every single citizen.
Sir Abacus
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Losing 38 EV would be almost a permanent democratic president.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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In case you haven't been paying attention, there's a mass migration in the US to the South.
Most of the babies born in this country are in the south. We aren't very far away from having the majority of people in this country living in the south and speaking with that lovely southern drawl.
How ignorant is that Boston and New York accent gonna sound then. It's already so goddamn cringe worthy.
Most of the babies born in this country are in the south. We aren't very far away from having the majority of people in this country living in the south and speaking with that lovely southern drawl.
How ignorant is that Boston and New York accent gonna sound then. It's already so goddamn cringe worthy.
Ol No Bones
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I reckon lots of southern folk wood oblige. I myself love the south. The only problem we gots here is that its hotter than a goats butt inna jalapeno patch.
Futurematic
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You mean the drawl that sounds like British people fighting Napoleon in 1800? Well, fair enough, I fully support archiac English if not the policies of the southern lords/plantation owners/CEOs that kept it going.
(Yes if you time travelled, everyone in London in 1800 would sound like a Southerner.)
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Is that really true?
foxuzamaki
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What the fuck
Winterfang
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Do you want to the United States to be broke like Europe?
SecretMoblin
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There's a reason no liberal democracy in the world does this. Urban cores and outstate rural areas often have different demands from government and accordingly deserve independent representation. Drawing a district to include a sliver of New York City that extends out into nowhere just so the district can be "competitive" would be a disaster.
benjipwns
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Define "competitive" and what do we do if one becomes non-competitive without redistricting the entire state every other year?
theusedversion
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And this would be hilarious to you because...?
NobleXenon
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They're more likely be underwater due to their anti-levee, climate-science denial-ism than they are to successfully succeed. They failed once; twice would put them in a economic chronic-depression mode. It won't happen.
Etrian Oddity
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Yeah but let's be fair, those Blue politicians were significantly different than those of today.
And I get the feeling that if Texas seceded from the US, Austin would secede from Texas and become a Vatican/Morocco-like city state. XD
If only the states in the OP would secede, I doubt it would work. However, if we were talking about all the red states, it would work. Red states hold the oil, natural gas, natural resources, farm land, military industry, factories, ports, and infrastructure. While the Blue states mostly have cities and population but very little of the infrastructure that won the Civil War.
Why just Austin? I'm pretty sure Houston and San Antonio would join up too. There are enough liberals here that would want no part of a seceded conservative run Texas.
Arrogant Bastard
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Nod. I love the fact that more and more northerns are moving south, plus immigration. Shit's turning blue at a much quicker pace.
Stupidity is hilarious.
GAF is still 5 years old when it comes to this discussion. Let them keep thinking that racist only exist in the South, along with weirdos.
Real nice attitude. You should realize that the coastal states need the midwest more than the midwest needs the coastal states. The midwest feeds the rest of the country, has enormous fresh water reserves via the Great Lakes, provides a lot of the manufacturing jobs in this country and has huge oil reserves.
did you get this from a rest stop pamphlet or something? we're being cynical here.
Yes i'm sure the declining rust belt and bread basket are still great.
AnathemicOne
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California says hi to bolded
The south secretly thinks they'd do "jest fine"
Both parts of the US need each other.
north would have a rough time without the south.
Fnord
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Thank you. I was born and raised in South Carolina. While we have our share of theocratic dimwits, it's not like the South is some hive mind controlled by the religious right.
No rest stop pamphlet. I'm just not an ignorant jackass, unlike some people in this thread.
Fnord
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Just because some of us in the South want to maintain some of our Constitutionally mandated sovereignty and not bow down to the federal government at every turn doesn't mean we want to become another country. We'd just prefer the federal government stick to what it is Constitutionally mandated and permitted to do and leave the rest to the states. You know, the way the founders of the country intended. "States Rights" isn't some code phrase for anything other than what it says.
PsychoSoldier
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As much as we Southerners aren't the caricature some people see us as, there's no reason to swing the pendulum all the way in the other direction and pretend as if there aren't significant issues (especially those of race and class) that continue to fester to this day.
The fact that the fringe has gained such momentum in our states doesn't give me much hope that things will get better in many, many areas in the near future.
The fact that the fringe has gained such momentum in our states doesn't give me much hope that things will get better in many, many areas in the near future.
actually...I got nothin. rb isn't making it very fun.
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