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Wii U is now as old as the DreamCast when it got discontinued, sold worse
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Yeah, I played PSO at launch, the 56k modem was fine. I meant more like I wouldn't want to play PSO on a 56k modem in 2014 if the servers were still up.
Fox Mulder
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The Dreamcast was a great console, but Sega was just in a shitty financial state. They quickly transitioned to third party while Nintendo can put out more hardware even if they killed the wiiu this year.
What, the importance of solid third-party support?
Neff
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As has been pointed out, there are several critical differences between Nintendo's situation and Sega's at that time.
But the most important one I think is despite Dreamcast being flooded with exceptional games, it simply didn't matter, because people were waiting for PS2. Wii U's 'flood' at least has only recently started, and there's no uber-dominant, PS2-like competitor this time round.
Basically, the difference is that Wii U will still be able to have its own small little market and profit in it, if only modestly, whereas Dreamcast never had a chance, and Sega knew it.
But the most important one I think is despite Dreamcast being flooded with exceptional games, it simply didn't matter, because people were waiting for PS2. Wii U's 'flood' at least has only recently started, and there's no uber-dominant, PS2-like competitor this time round.
Basically, the difference is that Wii U will still be able to have its own small little market and profit in it, if only modestly, whereas Dreamcast never had a chance, and Sega knew it.
metalslimer
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Wii U has more competition from everything around it than the Dreamcast ever did.
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kittens
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I dunno man. I love Nintendo, but they are some stubborn motherfuckers.
StreetsAhead
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Wait, why are we dismissing the fact that the Dreamcast was released in 1998 in Japan?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
now wheres the updated image of this..
X gonna give it to ya
1st Course
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I pointed to that on the op.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
this, plus Nintendo is pretty much use to having a failure in the console market since the N64, Wii was a nice change for them but even then they offered the same sort of support.
I think the SNES was so great because it had 3rd party support, outside Nintendos stuff 4rd party made that console.
I don't know about that. The biggest problems seems to be the lack of (third-party) games and confusing branding. While the PS4 is a hot product right now, I don't see it turning into a PS2 and kills everything around it.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Do I have to wait until this years E3 to get concrete details on Bayonetta 2?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Of course it has to do with financials, the reason the Wii U will go on a few more years at least.
StreetsAhead
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Regardless, by any standard definition, the thread title and tweet are wrong. Seems like gymnastics to make a point, even if the sales of the DC minus Japan are still more than the Wii U.
huh?
Killing_Joke
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I bought a DC day 1. No regrets. Won't buy a Wiiu anytime soon. Sorry. =(
Waiting for the the abandoning ship sale. Sorry again. =(
BundysFeet
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Nintendo can but as long as Iwata and company are there, they won't.
rokkerkory
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Wait this isnt out yet??
The Strokes
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The Gamecube was just like Jon Snow, a bastard, but everybody loves him.
So do you suggest that they damage what goodwill they have left with the people who are supporting the system by dropping it and giving them the middle finger as a thank you? No, it would be incredibly foolish of them to just weakly give up and hurt themselves further after only a year and a half.
I know I am planning to buy one soon. If they decide to just drop it shortly thereafter, then they will never see another dime from me. Just giving up so soon while having plenty of money to back it would be the ultimate mistake. They need to increase goodwill, not dry it up even further.
Nintendo is in a better shape than Sega was tho... Still, I can't even imagine a bright future for Nintendo, hamdheld gaming has changed a lot and they've proven to be incompetent with their home consoles, oh how I would love to play Playstation and Nintendo games in a single powerful console, hell Nintendo developing VR games on the PS5 would be a dream come true.
StreetsAhead
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Nope. It's listed as Summer 2014 for Japan, but doesn't have a more specific date than 2014 for anywhere else.
Neff
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More competition doesn't necessarily mean more of your market share depleted. It's usually one overtly dominant competitor which will do that.
People simply refused to buy Dreamcast in relatively large number, despite a far healthier industry than the one we have now, because PS2, the successor to the most successful games console of all time was coming, and everyone on planet earth wanted one.
cheststrongwell
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This is sad.
And completely untrue.
EatinOlives
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IIRC, the DreamCast wasn't exactly bombing at retail, it just had a very steep uphill battle against the PS2 that required a ton of money to stay competitive, and Sega's well had run completely dry.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Between the WiiU and the Dreamcast, I guess I really like failed systems.
Just noticed this. What a dumb tweet.
1st Course
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Only in Japan. In other parts of the world the Dreamcast was only 1.5 years old when it got killed off.
QoL isn't games though. They're trying to catch a similar market, sure, but not by games. I think they realised that's not longer an option.
yeah every single aspect pf that tweet is completely off base
Asherdude
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now wheres the updated image of this..
The Xbox One is going to save it.
And why should we dismiss that fact? Dumb tweet is dumb.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'm guessing the OP's tweet citation is UK specific since in just 1.5 years Wii U worldwide is already past 50% of DC's total ltd, nevermind the 2.5 years it took DC from first launch to discontinuation. Wii U is doing terrible but I don't believe it's yet behind DC worldwide, although the staggered DC launch works against it there.
So? Doesn't Japan matter?
Pjsprojects
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Put this in the other thread.
WiiU premium pack is on sale for £130 brand new in the UK.
Sad I paid £350.
http://m.hotukdeals.com/deals/ninte...202014&utm_campaign=Daily+Hot&mforwarded=true
WiiU premium pack is on sale for £130 brand new in the UK.
Sad I paid £350.
http://m.hotukdeals.com/deals/ninte...202014&utm_campaign=Daily+Hot&mforwarded=true
Don't bring logic into this or sense. Nintendo is doomed, that's all what matters.
purnoman3000
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The sadder thing is that 14-15 years later, Dreamcast had more online multiplayer games than the WiiU
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Cbajd5
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So wait, a year's worth of time is being ignored for the Dreamcast for this tweet/thread to exist?
Especially when there's another failing platform that actually did just pass the entire time the Dreamcast was released? (Vita, if that isn't obvious. Dreamcast launch was November 27, 1998 and was supposed to be discontinued by March 30, 2001, which is 854 days. Vita launch was December 17, 2011 and it is April 20, 2014, which is 855 days.)
In any case, this is a really stupid comparison.
Especially when there's another failing platform that actually did just pass the entire time the Dreamcast was released? (Vita, if that isn't obvious. Dreamcast launch was November 27, 1998 and was supposed to be discontinued by March 30, 2001, which is 854 days. Vita launch was December 17, 2011 and it is April 20, 2014, which is 855 days.)
In any case, this is a really stupid comparison.
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