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Wii U is now as old as the DreamCast when it got discontinued, sold worse
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I'd argue that Iwata does understand the actual gaming industry, but the current warped version with focus on microtransactions, subscriptions etc. and entertainment features is not the gaming industry.
Yes, and the Dreamcast was around for three years to get those games. Talk to me about this when the Wii U is at 3 years.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I'm more curious as to what Nintendo is actually going to do for their next console.
Motion controls are out, the tablet-pad-thingie is a bust, VR is likely but Virtual Boy's stink would be all over Nintendo if they try that.
Whatever they do it's going to be a hard-sell if/when they kill off the WiiU early.
Motion controls are out, the tablet-pad-thingie is a bust, VR is likely but Virtual Boy's stink would be all over Nintendo if they try that.
Whatever they do it's going to be a hard-sell if/when they kill off the WiiU early.
Ben Parfitt is a huge tit that shouldn't be taken seriously as a games journalist.
Shit like this: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/capcom-almost-halves-dmc-sales-expectations/0110372
He's a piece of shit corporate shill.
Amazeballs
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This is illuminating and also depressing. Factual inaccuracies notwithstanding, what is the point of Ben tweeting this comparison if not to pander to the Nintendoom mentality. This does nothing but illustrate the crude and sensationalist nature of gaming journalism.
They have said outright that they're going to push the Wii U further. They're not going to drop it, contrary to what people here think.
KoopaTheCasual
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On the nose.
BundysFeet
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Well, Iwata sure is displaying his understanding of the industry with a 6 million Wii U sales after a year and half. A 3DS that is significantly trailing it's predecessor. Microtransactions, subscriptions, and entertainment features have helped Sony sell 1 million more PS4's in a year less time than the Wii U while being more expensive. BTW, the Wii U also offers microtransactions for third party games, has entertainment features as well. Iwata can continue displaying his 'understanding' until he further depletes and destroys the value of Nintendo.
outunderthestars
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I'm sorry, but the Wii hardware is awful. It is clunky, slow, and woefully underpowered. Even after their updates the OS takes an absurd amount of time to do even the most basic of functions.
Nintendo just can't drop the Wii U. Nintendo is going to support it till there new console is ready, if they just drop it they lose all good will from the fans who have already bought the console. Not to mention the question, what if there next console fails again? Get rid of it early again? Nintendo doesn't want to set the precedence cause then less and less people will have faith in Nintendo to support their console.
outunderthestars
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Why would you announce that you are planning on letting a product wither on the vine? I know you are a diehard Nintendo Dan, but come on.
Mechanized
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Iwata understands gaming. This is the key aspect here. He, as a developer, gets it. That's why, despite the Wii U's sluggish sales, the game output by Nintendo on the Wii U has still be top quality.
What has Sony's been? Knack...yeah, that's clearly amazing. InFamous, sure, though that's not in-house technically.
I buy games and consoles for games, I don't buy it for anything else. It saddens me that the industry has shifted away from rewarding quality.
You're right. Clearly they're just going to let it die. Come on, use your head. Nintendo aren't dropping it. They said they won't. They have titles coming to it.
evilromero
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The point is one sold better than the other. Not arguing who can take the hit of a failure console more because clearly Sega did a better job making the DC more attractive to consumers than Nintendo did with the Wii U. Should Nintendo discontinue the Wii U? Absolutely yes. They aren't making money on it and consumers have no interest, nor do I think they will.
Spieler Eins
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Don't forget that it's missing several features even the 3DS had (and people already complain about that OS, even though I'm fine with it). The connectivity of it's major feature is also laughable, it's the first machine that froze on me (and keeps doing it) and the whole concept of the dumb gamepad is half assed through and through.
Absolutely terrible hardware.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Pretty sure the Dreamcast had a larger and more varied library, aruging over which systems had actually better games would probably end up fairly predictably
It was just short of 2.5 years when Sega killed Dreamcast.
Nov 1998 Japanese launch to end of production in March 2001.
Wii U has been around 1.5 years, we'll see how lifetime worldwide sales are a year from now.
No. The only part of the OS that is still slow is the settings menu. The rest of it has been tightened up, to less than 6 seconds or so per function and quicker than that for web browsing
BundysFeet
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Not in house? Sucker Punch is a Sony 1st party developer soooo yea...
And I have a Wii U. There is one game I enjoy so far and that is Super Mario 3D World. The other games Nintendo has released? Meh. Iwata shouldn't be CEO of a world wide corporation if he is going to think like a software developer when he's also in control of hardware that requires third party support.
I have a Wii U. And no, it's not faster than web browsing. The PS4 is significantly quicker as is the Vita.
That's the first console that has ever frozen on you? Do you even have a console?
My SNES froze on me once. My N64 did numerous times. My PS1 did numerous times. My PS2 did numerous times. My Xbox 360 did countless times. My PS3 has numerous times. My friend's PS4 froze on him while he was showing it off to me.
SoraanTribal
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How about no. Can we at least get Zelda U and X out before that happens?
Besides, Nintendo has nothing to replace it with. Designing a new console takes time (years), and I doubt they are anywhere near ready for it to launch. I think it would be a mistake anyways because you'd be fucking over your hardcore fanbase who bought the Wii U.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I dunno... I like the hardware. It's the only system these days that only plays games. No bullshit. I mean, there's a bunch of apps, but they don't work well and I can't get the thing to connect to the internet because there's a wall in the way, so all you can do is play games.
SolidSnakex
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So, why exactly was Nintendo blindsided by how difficult it was to move to HD development? The entire industry experienced those difficulties and yet Nintendo apparently ignored it.
Sony owns Sucker Punch.
Mithos
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I can access the eShop and start a demo-download and shut eShop down in the time it takes for the PStore to load on my PS3.
They are not going to drop it, but if you do not see many internal titles announced at E3 and continue to see already announced stuff pushed back, I think you can reasonably conclude internal development is already winding down.
Best selling was Sonic Adventure at 2.5m
Wii U's best selling is New Super Mario Bros U at 3.9m
We will. Mark my words.
The western media completely overblew the Nintendo difficulty with HD development situation. It wasn't as bad as they made it out to be
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Yes I know about Sucker Punch now being owned by Sony. I take back the statement but what I meant by in-house was within the company itself, not via another company that was owned by Sony.
Yup.
caustictoast
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Yeah I can't think of something that hasn't frozen on me. My ps2, ds, ps3,and PC more times than I can count. My Wii did a once or twice but I had it for the least amount of time. And that's just mine. What I've borrowed and used that's frozen on me is also uncountable. If he actually hasn't had something freeze aside the WiiU I'd be seriously impressed
shinra-bansho
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I guess in the (unlikely) scenario that it follows something more akin to the PS3's sales curve and lasts a 6 or 7 year cycle it would sell 20M or so.
I just don't expect it to happen as, even with price drops, the content really just isn't there alongside other factors. And frankly at this stage, I don't think the product can ever reach a price where it presents sufficient value proposition against other alternatives such that it becomes relevant or, at least, sees significant improvement.
What nonsense.
outunderthestars
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Dropping the system and letting it wither are two different things. They will release what is already in their development pipeline, and stuff they can crank out with a small team, but I have to imagine that hardware development of their next system has been accelerated and any major software title not yet in full production has been shifted to the next platform.
Sony is in the same situation with the Vita. They have not announced any discontinuation of the platform but have slowly backed away from it in terms of marketing dollars and software development. When was the last time Nintendo rolled out a marketing push for the Wii U? Six months ago?
BundysFeet
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So you prefer a system that is fundamentally broken for you and limits the features that were included in the price of admission, thereby forcing you to not access all of what you paid for? Ok...
I'd prefer a console that plays games AND the other features advertised rather than a console that ONLY plays games and the other features being broken.
mr stroke
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LOL
The guy hasn't put out a new hit IP in ages, and continues to produce retreads of the same series over and over.
Wonderful 101
Edit:Yeah, we seen the Sony produce Knack, Tearaway and Puppeteer, the massive multi-million hits they are today. The Last of Us is on their old system and its from the same guys who developed another cover based shooter. Sony's best selling games are all retreads as well.
Titanfall isn't even developed by an MS studio.
Making a new 'hit' IP is hard, and even then, they don't introduce new gameplay mechanics that you can point out that does something interesting and new that explains why they're successful.
Wii U is probably his first console lol.
My Wii U and PS4 haven't crashed yet, all the other consoles have crashes numerous times. Fucking PS3 PSN store crashes a lot and is slow as hell after they forced us to use the new tiled version.
outunderthestars
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I call BS on that. I had a Wii U and just going to the main menu was taking 13-20 seconds. And this was after the software update.
If you actually played the game rather than just look at the cover and see the same characters, you would know that they are not "retreads".
Also, what was the latest new IP that Microsoft themselves brought out?
Things changed after the software updates after the Spring 2013 one. It now is just like 3-8 seconds to exit a game and go to the main menu
Not with the current management, the Wii U was their chance to learn imo and they failed hard as fuck.
The big difference is that before the Dreamcast, Sega already failed with two expensive console expansions and another console which was the Saturn. Nintendo had booming success with the Wii and DS, and despite Wii U's sluggish performance the 3DS is still helping to even it out. Even if both consoles were underperforming Nintendo would still be able to afford to lose.
evilromero
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Why are you blaming the industry and consumers for Nintendo's failure? You realize how that is very problematic don't you?
dream
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Well, JoeM86 didn't say Iwata was a competent developer.
I don't think that is quite true. Nintendo had a relatively significant ad campaign for the holiday season and I expect a significant one for Mario Kart 8.
There were an absolute ton of new hit IPs last generation, both handheld and console for them
Nintendo isn't going to kill Wii U off until at least fall 2016. That is the very soonest one might expect their next console which would be 2.5 years away from now. If that happens, that means Wii U's life is not even half over. Besides, Zelda won't be out til holiday 2015.
I'd expect Nintendo to reveal their next console early in the year of which it will be released, similar to how Sony handled the PS4.
The way Sony handled PS4 from Feb 2013 until its Nov 2013 release is now the gold standard on how to do a console reveal / launch.
I'd expect Nintendo to reveal their next console early in the year of which it will be released, similar to how Sony handled the PS4.
The way Sony handled PS4 from Feb 2013 until its Nov 2013 release is now the gold standard on how to do a console reveal / launch.
Is it you're first console?
Sega was releasing third party games on other hardware before Sammy even bought them...
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