Fredrik
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Xbox 360 slim has it built-in too.Medalion said:PS3 it is built-in port
Xbox 360 have to get that separate dongle shown elsewhere in this thread
Xbox 360 slim has it built-in too.Medalion said:PS3 it is built-in port
Xbox 360 have to get that separate dongle shown elsewhere in this thread
I dont have one that supports HDMI either actually, I was just trying to figure how big an issue it actually would be. Presumably a lot of people would have ones that are, if they have been around for quite a while. Regardless I'm sure there will be some solution, either by way of Nintendo working it into the console, or simply by offering a some sort dongle. It's not something I'm particularly concerned about atm with the console still a year out.Fredrik said:Probably, but most people don't change their recievers every 4-5 years. Many did when digital audio came along but there hasn't been any revolutionary tech since then so unless you're a hifi nerd you're probably still using your trusty old non-HDMI DTS/DD/5.1 capable reciever, just like me. And that's why basically every other digital audio capable unit still have optical or coax audio connectors too. But apparently Wii U don't.
There's no reason to use Ethernet over WiFi now. I play TF2 over wifi with less than 50 ping while my buddy is playing WoW at the same time.Billychu said:it doesnt even have ethernet dude
who cares about audio
it doesnt have ETHERNET
The Faceless Master said:it comes on every new Xbox 360 console currently sold in stores.
HAVE YOU MISSED THE ENTIRE FUCKING THREAD???FyreWulff said:Oh, didn't know they put it on the slim. Still, not sure why you'd use it with the HDMI port right there.
The 360 component cable has the optical port built into it and not on the console itself.Medalion said:PS3 it is built-in port
Xbox 360 have to get that separate dongle shown elsewhere in this thread
Fantasy Final said:There's no reason to use Ethernet over WiFi now.
yeah, the S-Video and VGA cables have it built in as well. dunno about the euro cables like SCART and whatnot...Persona7 said:The 360 component cable has the optical port built into it and not on the console itself.
The dongle is for people who use HDMI on the on the older non-slim consoles
Joke post?Fantasy Final said:There's no reason to use Ethernet over WiFi now. I play TF2 over wifi with less than 50 ping while my buddy is playing WoW at the same time.
There are so many wireless devices in my house that I don't want to put anything else on the router I don't have to. I have a whole elaborate setup just so I can connect my PS3 through ethernet despite the fact that it has Wi-Fi.Fantasy Final said:There's no reason to use Ethernet over WiFi now. I play TF2 over wifi with less than 50 ping while my buddy is playing WoW at the same time.
FyreWulff said:Still, not sure why you'd use it with the HDMI port right there.
to be fair, it's probably true on the Wii U.Persona7 said:Joke post?
The Faceless Master said:to be fair, it's probably true on the Wii U.
on other consoles, where you can do things like stream HD video over your LAN, there's a good reasons to use Ethernet.
Fantasy Final said:There's no reason to use Ethernet over WiFi now. I play TF2 over wifi with less than 50 ping while my buddy is playing WoW at the same time.
For gaming and consoles, no. All my consoles and my PC is wireless and they are superfast with low ping.Persona7 said:Joke post?
it's more than fast enough, just not reliable enough.FyreWulff said:Wireless N is going to be more than enough for that. They'll probably just release another USB-> Ethernet adapter again if it actually ends up with no ethernet port.
afaik most tvs downconvert hdmi audio to 2 channel when passing through the optical jack.Johnny said:Don't most TVs have optical audio out?
are you kidding? <1ms differenceape2man said:thats bullshit, wifi lags.
a. WEP encryption does.
b. no body uses wep because its hacked in 5 minutes.
c. WPA is better but lags even more (more encryption)
d. WPA2 is even more laggy.
plus you have signal interferrence...
so WIFI sucks for gaming.
ape2man said:thats bullshit, wifi lags.
a. WEP encryption does.
b. no body uses wep because its hacked in 5 minutes.
c. WPA is better but lags even more (more encryption)
d. WPA2 is even more laggy.
plus you have signal interferrence...
so WIFI sucks for gaming.
ape2man said:thats bullshit, wifi lags.
a. WEP encryption does.
b. no body uses wep because its hacked in 5 minutes.
c. WPA is better but lags even more (more encryption)
d. WPA2 is even more laggy.
plus you have signal interferrence...
so WIFI sucks for gaming.
The Faceless Master said:are you kidding? <1ms difference
Lol my thought too. What were they using before HDMI to get digital audio working? You only had two techs afaik, it was either optical or coax, and coax wasn't the popular one.CottonBaller said:Can't believe some of you don't know what optical audio is
I imagine surround sound in general is kind of nichey in real world use. Especially people who have surround sound setup correctly.Fredrik said:Lol my thought too. What were they using before HDMI to get digital audio working? You only had two techs afaik, it was either optical or coax, and coax wasn't the popular one.
In retrospect, there was nothing about a digital cable that was required to be sexy "optical audio". "....it travels at the SPEED OF LIGHT bros!". Simple coaxial (aka "RCA cable") digital connection was just as good. I wonder if it was a marketing gimmick to go with that "sexy sounding" tech. Charge more for exotic glass cables, etc.Medalion said:When I was introduced to the concept of a Digital Audio port it was the TOSLINK first, I didn't know about this Digital Coaxial till much later and wondering why the cable looked so much like a regular analog cable connector
BocoDragon said:Especially people who have surround sound setup correctly.
Cipherr said:
So I take it, that its been a while since you have used WiFi then?
True. But hell, I don't even trust people to even connect their audio sources with the correct digital connections, or to position their speakers correctly.Woo-Fu said:Which is next to nobody because few people build a room properly for surround sound.
If most people bought separate receivers yes, but they don't. They buy home cinema sets with combined dvd/bd players and receivers, which for the most part only have optical + 2x RCA in and composite/component + hdmi out. To connect any 5.1 source to these you need an optical cable (or coax, but that's not relevant for gaming). A lot of gamers also use PC surround sets like the Z-series from Logitech, and they don't support hdmi audio either.BocoDragon said:HDMI supports digital audio. That's enough.
I have an older receiver with only optical/coaxial digital inputs too... and while it would be nice if Nintendo supported them, I think those days are past. I think it's fair to support HDMI-only in 2012.
sorry dude, but you ABSOLUTELY don't know what you are talking about.ape2man said:thats bullshit, wifi lags.
a. WEP encryption does.
b. no body uses wep because its hacked in 5 minutes.
c. WPA is better but lags even more (more encryption)
d. WPA2 is even more laggy.
plus you have signal interferrence...
so WIFI sucks for gaming.
I challenge someone here to actually provide data using his/her router that causes ~8ms o f lag on any type of personal wireless at any normal distanceDepends on the router.
A lot of the routers that first shipped with WPA2 don't really have the horsepower to do WPA2 and everything else they do, at least not on a connection with double digit utilization. I've got an old netgear for emergencies where DHCP times out if it is running WPA2 and somebody is streaming video while you're trying to get a lease.
If you run something like DD-WRT you can see just how much load WPA2 is adding. That router spends most of its time between 2 and 8 when running WPA2 which is horrible for a *nix box.
ape2man said:yes, every thing needs to go through the TUBESSSSS...
boyshine said:If most people bought separate receivers yes, but they don't. They buy home cinema sets with combined dvd/bd players and receivers, which for the most part only have optical + 2x RCA in and composite/component + hdmi out. To connect any 5.1 source to these you need an optical cable (or coax, but that's not relevant for gaming). A lot of gamers also use PC surround sets like the Z-series from Logitech, and they don't support hdmi audio either.
walking fiend said:sorry dude, but you ABSOLUTELY don't know what you are talking about.
I challenge someone here to actually provide data using his/her router that causes ~8ms o f lag on any type of personal wireless at any normal distance
it's a discussion done to death; unless by wireless access point you mean something you use at your coffee shop or dorm, there's NO WAY for a latency of 8ms to be caused merely by switching from wire to wireless, I doubt you can do even that even by fucking up the settings the worst you can as long as it is functional
the problem with wireless is mostly of reliability, and that is something that happens very rarely unless under serious interfering conditions, or with a malfunctioning router
I don't get that. Personally I think the sound is just as important, if not more so, than the resolution that everybody is so interested in. People count the pixels on the screen when comparing PS3/360 games but they don't mind having the sound coming from the TV speakers. It's so weird. In my opinion it's the sound that makes the games come to life, makes the immersion better.BocoDragon said:I imagine surround sound in general is kind of nichey in real world use. Especially people who have surround sound setup correctly.
Download speed is irrelevant to our discussion, and is quite understandable.ape2man said:http://www.epitiro.com/
" "Our data shows that connectivity over Wi-Fi degrades broadband performance considerably in typical circumstances," JP Curley, CTO of Epitiro, said in the report. "Consumers who are experiencing performance issues with Wi-Fi should take steps to improve their home environment or connect directly via wired Ethernet."
Epitiro's research -- based on reports from 14,001 users in the UK, USA, Italy and Spain -- states consumers lose an average of 30 percent of download speed and face an increase in latency of 10-20 percent when using Wi-Fi connections in the home. Such applications as on-line gaming, VoIP telephony and video streaming are potentially impacted using Wi-Fi and downloading large files such as MP3s, videos and programs will take longer."
Ok, they say nothing about encryption. But everything about interference
I agree with this. I'd rather have good sound than good picture! Obviously both is best.Fredrik said:I don't get that. Personally I think the sound is just as important, if not more so, than the resolution that everybody is so interested in. People count the pixels on the screen when comparing PS3/360 games but they don't mind having the sound coming from the TV speakers. It's so weird. In my opinion it's the sound that makes the games come to life, makes the immersion better.
I live in an apartment building and have no problem with interference and judging from all the networks showing up in my connections pretty much all my neighbours have a wifi network as well.Woo-Fu said:Sure there is, namely interference.
You can remove most of the potential for interference if you live in a house but if you're in an apartment building you might find yourself switching channels on a regular basis just to find one that doesn't sing a duet with your neighbor's microwave oven.
Gaming over wifi with no problems. I even use a shitty 2MBit dsl line.ape2man said:thats bullshit, wifi lags.
a. WEP encryption does.
b. no body uses wep because its hacked in 5 minutes.
c. WPA is better but lags even more (more encryption)
d. WPA2 is even more laggy.
plus you have signal interferrence...
so WIFI sucks for gaming.
BocoDragon said:I agree with this. I'd rather have good sound than good picture! Obviously both is best.
its somewhat off-topic. but unless you have something like a 128K connection, speed drop won't matter at allRad- said:My download speed is about 30% slower on Wifi than with Ethernet. There is definitely a difference.