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HDMI 7.1 PCM user right here! Upgrade your damn home theater hardware folks!
Not everyone has that much money. Not having optical out and a Ethernet port is a cheap move from Nintendo.
HDMI 7.1 PCM user right here! Upgrade your damn home theater hardware folks!
Not everyone has that much money. Not having optical out and a ethernet port is a cheap move from Nintendo.
HDMI 7.1 PCM user right here! Upgrade your damn home theater hardware folks!
I'm not an expert on home theater setup, so I'm a bit confused. Why is there a mini-uproar about this especially among forum goers who I assume tend invest more in getting the latest & greatest PC & home theater equipment?
With the Wii U, I ran the HDMI cable from the console to the TV and a digital cable from the TV to my receiver. My receiver is around 10 years old, so I'm guessing most folks could set things up in a similar way. What am I missing out on by connecting the components like this?
Chances are your TV downmixes the sound signal to stereo.
wait hold on, i just read this, the console doesn't have... an ethernet port?
Only Wifi? then how am i supposed to connect it to the internet?
Not only does not everyone have Wifi at home but some people (me included) actually believe that wired is superior and chose to connect that way.
edit: yeah i know buy an adapter but this sucks even MORE than the optical fiasco which is bad enough.
This is how I originally felt about the Macbook Air, and now subsequently about the Macbook Pros.
Well, HDMI through a TV would process the sound to stereo/dpl, but I don't think the switch even tries to convert audio and rather attempts to pass a raw signal through. That's why I'm wondering what toslink would do, since it probably can't even handle the signal bandwidth.
I bought one because I needed more hdmi inputs anyway, so I'll be able to test it out soon.
I have an inkling such an equipment wouldn't be particularly cheaper than a new receiver.So you won't be able to get 5.1 through an optical cable with the WiiU no matter what you do. Unless something out there will downmix 5.1 PCM into Dolby Digital on the fly.
Not everyone has that much money. Not having optical out and a Ethernet port is a cheap move from Nintendo.
One they also made 6 years ago.
No full range?Speaking of audio connections, apparently you can't choose to output audio from RCA if you've chosen HDMI out for video. It's all-in. Sucks for some of us with quirkier setups. Also not ideal to be used on a DVI monitor as it doesn't support full range RGB.
it doesn't support full range RGB.
No full range?
I hook everything up to my TV through one HDMI port using a receiver. I'll have to change the TV from full range to limited every time I go from my PC or PS3 to the Wii U. Profound sadness. ;~;
Wow, the news are getting worse by the minute. This is absolutely terrible for anyone using a monitor that wants to experience full blacks and rich colours, as computer monitors aren't limited by Televisions smaller colour range (and even many TVs today support full range colour input).
However, there is some unwelcome news - specifically that the HDMI output is locked to limited-range RGB only, with footage from all games we've captured thus far revealing absolutely no information in the 0-16 or 235-255 areas. Many digital displays - PC monitors in particular - don't operate correctly with limited-range RGB, giving washed out colours principally defined by blacks being more grey-like in nature. This is something Nintendo really needs to address as a matter of urgency - it's the most basic of omissions, something that Sony and Microsoft resolved to everyone's satisfaction many, many years ago.
Speaking of audio connections, apparently you can't choose to output audio from RCA if you've chosen HDMI out for video. It's all-in. Sucks for some of us with quirkier setups. Also not ideal to be used on a DVI monitor as it doesn't support full range RGB.
As I said earlier, it pretty much means you should use component. So yeah, for some setups it will be a component/stereo console... like the Wii.Speaking of audio connections, apparently you can't choose to output audio from RCA if you've chosen HDMI out for video. It's all-in. Sucks for some of us with quirkier setups. Also not ideal to be used on a DVI monitor as it doesn't support full range RGB.
Speaking of audio connections, apparently you can't choose to output audio from RCA if you've chosen HDMI out for video. It's all-in. Sucks for some of us with quirkier setups. Also not ideal to be used on a DVI monitor as it doesn't support full range RGB.
It's fun to directly compare the WiiU controller LCD to whatever display you are using. It really demonstrates just how much of a difference a good black level can make.Nope, no full range support.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-nintendo-wii-u-review
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Wii U doesn't support 7.1.
Anyway, the omnidirectional speakers I'm using are awesome, so I don't want to change them. At least they're 6ohm, so I should be able to get them to work with a good modern receiver.. but that will have to come down the road as the wife would kill me.
Nope, no full range support.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-nintendo-wii-u-review
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I just researched a bit. Asked a few Wii U owners before, but couldn't get an answer to a few specific questions.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/64670410
Like I already feared - it seems the Wii U does NOT give out a signal on AV out, when HDMI is used. Which means it seems you can't use cinch for audio and HDMI for video.
Which means the only possible hope is that selecting "stereo" on HDMI is actually "Dolby Pro Logic II out". If one selects "surround" it will output LPCM 5.1 only. Which will be plain stereo signal in case you get the audio signal via optical out from your TV.
Looking really bad. Stupid Nintendo.
I just researched a bit. Asked a few Wii U owners before, but couldn't get an answer to a few specific questions.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/64670410
Like I already feared - it seems the Wii U does NOT give out a signal on AV out, when HDMI is used. Which means it seems you can't use cinch for audio and HDMI for video.
Which means the only possible hope is that selecting "stereo" on HDMI is actually "Dolby Pro Logic II out". If one selects "surround" it will output LPCM 5.1 only. Which will be plain stereo signal in case you get the audio signal via optical out from your TV.
Looking really bad. Stupid Nintendo.
Fuck. I play on a monitor with no speakers (with the 360 I split the video through HDMI and audio through components), so I guess no sound for me Or well, I'll be playing always with headphones plugged to the Gamepad.
But I wonder what will I do when playing Wii games
HDMI 7.1 PCM user right here! Upgrade your damn home theater hardware folks!
wait hold on, i just read this, the console doesn't have... an ethernet port?
Only Wifi? then how am i supposed to connect it to the internet?
Not only does not everyone have Wifi at home but some people (me included) actually believe that wired is superior and chose to connect that way.
edit: yeah i know buy an adapter but this sucks even MORE than the optical fiasco which is bad enough.
For Wii it'd have to be however you're playing now. Consider component cables if you're monitor supports them.
But luckily the Gamepad comes to the rescue for most other scenarios.
Consider component cables if you're monitor supports them.
It's too bad Nintendo doesn't have receivers in their IR database so you can control your receiver. Now that's a terrible screw up if you're going to require such a thing for surround sound.
Component cable for Wii works on Wii U? That would be a solution for my problem. That way I could theoretically get 1080p + Dolby Pro Logic II.
I'm still unsure, if DPLII support is included for all games or if it's up to the developer to implement it.
I'm all set on the HDMI audio front (whenever I actually find a console ; but that is really depressing. Sony supported full range from day one IIRC bt I think MS added support for it later on.Nope, no full range support.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-nintendo-wii-u-review
dem greys
Is this true? Someone spotted a DD logo on the back of a game box weeks ago but with consoles out now can someone confirm?Wii cables work. Nintendo's games no longer support DPLII so you will get stereo on Wii U games unless you use the Gamepad's audio surround mode (essentially the same as DS/3DS sound output). Also 1080p over component may not work with your TV. It didn't with my monitor, I'd get flickering and black screens every couple of seconds.
Nintendo's games no longer support DPLII so you will get stereo on Wii U games unless you use the Gamepad's audio surround mode
Is this true? Someone spotted a DD logo on the back of a game box weeks ago but with consoles out now can someone confirm?
Is this true? Someone spotted a DD logo on the back of a game box weeks ago but with consoles out now can someone confirm?
WTF
Then I could just use HDMI. Wouldn't make a difference. Or well, I will just not buy it. I can't believe it. How stupid is Nintendo? Surround only over HDMI using LPCM. :/ Great idea, Nintendo. Really great. You were so smart 6-7 years ago, what happened?
Just a final question: you still get DPLII surround for Wii games running on Wii U? Sounds like a stupid question, but for all the incompetent decisions Nintendo made for Wii U, I wouldn't even be surprised now, if they changed it as well.
My monitor just has DVI and VGA inputs and no speakers. My Wii is parked now because I can't play on my TV anymore. I was planning on finishing my Wii backlog on Wii U, but I guess not :lol
Unfortunately we're dealing with a very stubborn company that has little to no interest in high end AV experiences. They've been dragged into the HD realm begrudgingly and it's clearly going to take some time for them to address fundemental issues like SS standards and full range RGB and that's if they ever do address them.WTF
Then I could just use HDMI. Wouldn't make a difference. Or well, I will just not buy it. I can't believe it. How stupid is Nintendo? Surround only over HDMI using LPCM. :/ Great idea, Nintendo. Really great. You were so smart 6-7 years ago, what happened?
Just a final question: you still get DPLII surround for Wii games running on Wii U? Sounds like a stupid question, but for all the incompetent decisions Nintendo made for Wii U, I wouldn't even be surprised now, if they changed it as well.
Oh Wait - I can still wait for a 100EUR+ price drop and then buy an audio decoder for the HDMI crap that will give me 5.1 analog audio output. THEN it will all work. Still completely stupid.
I spotted it on Rabbids. Strangely AssCreed 3 didn't feature the logo. So I assume it's an error. I can't believe that the same publisher would release 1 game with DD support and another without it. Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. And in any case, it wouldn't really help. I don't want to own a console, where I have to guess if I will be getting surround sound or not on a per-game basis (and I would even have to buy a splitter for this "feature"). On PS3 you already have to play "guess-what-resolution-the-game-will-be-outputting". Don't want to do that again and especially not for surround sound.
If they have implemented it in Rabbids, there has to be a switch in the game somehow. The Wii U only has "mono" / "stereo" / "surround" audio options. Nothing else. I wonder, why they even bothered with "mono". Must be a joke.
I thought that it was still up to the discretion of the devs but you're right that it doesn't appear that Nintendo is licensing Dolby support as part of their development kit anymore, which is pretty sad. DD 5.1 is on the way out but True Dolby HD would have been awesome.I can double check when I get home but I believe that was the case. Anyone can feel free to fact check me on that. Granted other pubs can implement what they want, but I don't think Nintendo is licensing from Dolby anymore.
They work exactly as they already did. DPL is just a stereo mix so it wouldn't change anything.
I thought that it was still up to the discretion of the devs but you're right that it doesn't appear that Nintendo is licensing Dolby support as part of their development kit anymore, which is pretty sad. DD 5.1 is on the way out but True Dolby HD would have been awesome.
Wasn't DPLII built into Wii? Which would mean they included it for backwardcompatibility.
Which would mean they have to pay license fees. Which means including that option for Wii U (games) wouldn't have cost them an additional dime.
IIRC you don't need a special sound processor on the output to support DPLII but Nintendo did license the encoding for all GC/Wii developers so anyone who wanted to use it could.I thought it was per game. But I'll double check to make sure I'm not feeding you bad info.
IIRC you don't need a special sound processor on the output to support DPLII but Nintendo did license the encoding for all GC/Wii developers so anyone who wanted to use it could.
I thought I was in a similar situation but I just realised my Benq XL2420T can pass HDMI (and displayport) audio through a headphone jack so I can at least get audio when set up around the PC.
Yeah but that means it's licensed for each game using the encoders found in the Wii SDK, not at a hardware level. It wouldn't mean anything for Wii U or Wii U games.
No AV multi out? Argh. I wonder if I can run optical out stereo via my TV without lag... in the years I've had my TV I've only ever used my speakers once they day I got the thing before I disabled them forever.I just researched a bit. Asked a few Wii U owners before, but couldn't get an answer to a few specific questions.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/64670410
Like I already feared - it seems the Wii U does NOT give out a signal on AV out, when HDMI is used. Which means it seems you can't use cinch for audio and HDMI for video.
Which means the only possible hope is that selecting "stereo" on HDMI is actually "Dolby Pro Logic II out". If one selects "surround" it will output LPCM 5.1 only. Which will be plain stereo signal in case you get the audio signal via optical out from your TV.
Looking really bad. Stupid Nintendo.
Well that's the problem, they make some great games that they know are hard for their fanbase to pass up so they can get away we these shenanigans.Jesus,.. This has to be some arrogance.. They actually think people are fucking stupid and will buy anything they create.
And then we go prove their point.
Edit: what tv screens have full rgb spectrum these days?
IIRC you don't need a special sound processor on the output to support DPLII but Nintendo did license the encoding for all GC/Wii developers so anyone who wanted to use it could.
If you HONESTLY care this much about surround sound, then you probably have a newer surround sound system that has an HDMI port on it. If not,
It honestly is sounding like people are just finding reasons to not like the WiiU, not saying this is what you're doing, but it's sounding like it.
good god - people will have no issue upgrading their pc's to play new games, new consoles, new phones every year, but I guess upgrading a 10 year old receiver is out of the question?
It's 2012 people. Like the others in the thread said, there are probably connectors and dongle for the Wii U if you want ethernet and optical so much. Should Nintendo also provide 56K modem add on too?
Just a final question: you still get DPLII surround for Wii games running on Wii U? Sounds like a stupid question, but for all the incompetent decisions Nintendo made for Wii U, I wouldn't even be surprised now, if they changed it as well.
Yeah, people are just finding ways to bash the Wii U. People wouldn't feel the same if the next Xbox and/or Playstation did this.
Yeah, I should pay 1000EUR for a fucking new receiver. Are you kidding me? Me getting a HDMI audio -> analog decoder would be way cheaper. It's still money wasted. It would have been fine having DPLII on analog out. But no, we are Nintendo. We are stupid.