Steve Youngblood
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That and the backlash when people see them being less powerful and more expensive than they have mentally set the bar for.
We shall see, won't we, MrNyarlathotep. We shall see.
That and the backlash when people see them being less powerful and more expensive than they have mentally set the bar for.
That and the backlash when people see them being less powerful and more expensive than they have mentally set the bar for.
The last 5 years were just an elaborate troll to build credibility so that when the day came I could declare my Nintendo hate without repercussions. Muahhhhh
3rd parties will decide if the Wii U lives or not
Are they?
Furthermore, just the way you listed out these arguments and excluded others shows me you're already operating under a filter that's particularly favorable to one side - to the point of defensiveness - and likes to hyperbolize the other side's arguments.
Not necessarily. They helped out somewhat with the Wii, but that system was mostly carried by key Nintendo games. I think we could see a repeat here, but any third party support helps.3rd parties will decide if the Wii U lives or not
Not at all. It's up to Nintendo at this point.
Wii U launch was decent, as every sane person knows. Despite the persistence of the myth of a 360 "shortage" at launch, Wii U far outperformed every other launch but Wii and PS2. By March though sales might fall off a cliff.
Rational? The OP is using 7 year old numbers to justify the, pretty shitty, current numbers of the Wii U.
Wii U launch was decent, as every sane person knows. Despite the persistence of the myth of a 360 "shortage" at launch, Wii U far outperformed every other launch but Wii and PS2. By March though sales might fall off a cliff.
Wii U launch was decent, as every sane person knows. Despite the persistence of the myth of a 360 "shortage" at launch, Wii U far outperformed every other launch but Wii and PS2. By March though sales might fall off a cliff.
3rd parties will decide if the Wii U lives or not
if 3rd parties decide not to down-port from 720/PS4 to Wii U
if 3rd parties decide to stop making current gen games for PS3 and 360 and Wii U
I say yeah, 3rd parties will decide
The problem I have with your statement, though, is that you're basically saying, "See these factual statistics? Throw them out the window and take my conjecture and speculation as fact!"
It doesn't work that way. You can't flat out ignore those numbers. Now, if the MS/Sony systems release to much larger numbers THEN you can say those numbers aren't good.
This. The Xbox 360 will be outselling the PS4 and 720. Why? Because cheap hardware and a 7 year library always wins.
And you think this lone factor will lead to people calling the new consoles doomed? This conversation is very tedious.
I never expected it, personally. The Wii was basically a fluke. Not even Nintendo knew that it was going to explode like it did. The Wii U was never going to replicate that.I don't think anybody was expecting that after its first showing.
The problem I have with your statement, though, is that you're basically saying, "See these factual statistics? Throw them out the window and take my conjecture and speculation as fact!"
It doesn't work that way. You can't flat out ignore those numbers. Now, if the MS/Sony systems release to much larger numbers THEN you can say those numbers aren't good.
The problem I have with your statement, though, is that you're basically saying, "See these factual statistics? Throw them out the window and take my conjecture and speculation as fact!"
It doesn't work that way. You can't flat out ignore those numbers. Now, if the MS/Sony systems release to much larger numbers THEN you can say those numbers aren't good.
(1) how many buyers were denied a 360 at launch. (2) why don't the subsequent months in 2005 and 2006 NPDs show a spike in sales indicating pent up demand, like there were for the Wii?It is not a myth
We shall see, won't we, MrNyarlathotep. We shall see.
It seems like this is what a lot of people are hoping happens just to justify their own purchases.
All that factor proves is that previous gen consoles sell better than new gen consoles at the start. It happens every year primary because of price. An Xbox 360 is $199 right now. A Wii U is $350. That $150 difference has more to do with the 360 selling more than any other reason.
The 3DS was on a very non-DS like trajectory up until the price cut and various games being announced, so it's not outside the realm of extreme possibility that Nintendo could do the same with the Wii U.This is true. Sony's console had a rough start but ending up eventually overtaking the X360 worldwide. Nintendo hasn't completely lost their brand power so maybe they can turn things around in the coming months (or years). We just have to admit that the Wii U will not be a phenomenon like the Wii.
(1) how many buyers were denied a 360 at launch. (2) why don't the subsequent months in 2005 and 2006 NPDs show a spike in sales indicating pent up demand, like there were for the Wii?
We will.
I'm expecting "599 US DOLLARS" level of backlash against at least one of the next consoles launches.
No worries, after this I'm sure Nintendo will bounce back with a true hardcore game console that focuses purely on power with no gimmicks. They'll drop the goofy Wii branding too, and use a word that's appropriately edgy. But being Nintendo, they'll still try to make the package efficient so it covers all the bases.
Therefore I predict the next console will be named the Nintendo Doom.
exactly. People are comparing the WiiU launch numbers to the PS3 and 360's launch numbers. Well the 360 was constantly selling out and the PS3 cost 600 fucking dollars. What's the Wii U's excuse?So what's Wii U's excuse when you could get it a basic SKU for $300 and XBox's main SKU this holiday was $250?
The 360/PS3 vs. PS2/Wii stuff makes sense because there were hundreds of dollars of differences between them for the HD consoles. What's the excuse when a new system comes out in the same price range and it's launch period gets tripled by another system at almost the same price?
There is none, that's what.
The 3DS was on a very non-DS like trajectory up until the price cut and various games being announced, so it's not outside the realm of extreme possibility that Nintendo could do the same with the Wii U.
Wii U is doomed because it has no mindshare. GAF didn't care about the Wii either but it was all over the media and the non-gaming consumers were all over it. Wii U has no mindshare for gamers or non-gamers. It is doomed until Nintendo creates something for it that gets people talking.
Wii U might be fine, but the 360 was incredibly supply constrained in those first few months. I turned down the Core pack at Gamestop where I had my reservation and literally waited another full month before I saw a system. I was #2 on the list waiting for a reserved 360 after launch night. My Gamestop waited A MONTH for the next restock. Most of this is MS being slow on the uptake, but there was an unsatisfied demand. I don't know anyone waiting for a Wii U. I saw Wii Us sitting there at my Target 3 days before my Xmas. That simply didn't exist with the 360.
Kudos to Nintendo for having product out there, but the Wii U launch bears zero resemblance to the the Wii and 360 launches. The PS3 launch? Maybe. Not a lot of demand then a big turn around.
So what's Wii U's excuse when you could get it a basic SKU for $300 and XBox's main SKU this holiday was $250?
The 360/PS3 vs. PS2/Wii stuff makes sense because there were hundreds of dollars of differences between them for the HD consoles. What's the excuse when a new system comes out in the same price range and it's launch period gets tripled by another system at almost the same price?
There is none, that's what.
I do expect Nintendo to be able to course correct the likely sinking ship later on this year when their first party goes into overdrive, but until then it's going to be a bumpy ride.
But the Ps3 at $599 did better in december. And that was considered bad. How can you spin that?
Wii U's trouble isn't just sales. I remember the Ps3 and X360 getting a lot more hype during launch. Wii U hype is non-existent. Something tells me that only early adopters who bug Nintendo hardware bought the console.
WiiU's lack of popularity outside that group of enthousiasts is definitely discerning.
All that factor proves is that previous gen consoles sell better than new gen consoles at the start. It happens every year primary because of price. An Xbox 360 is $199 right now. A Wii U is $350. That $150 difference has more to do with the 360 selling more than any other reason.
lol seriously. It was like a week before Wii U release and there was almost no talk about it on the first page. When the 720/PS4 are about to launch, people are going to be losing their shit.But the Ps3 at $599 did better in december. And that was considered bad. How can you spin that?
Wii U's trouble isn't just sales. I remember the Ps3 and X360 getting a lot more hype during launch. Wii U hype is non-existent. Something tells me that only early adopters who always buy Nintendo hardware bought the console.
WiiU's lack of popularity outside that group of enthousiasts is definitely discerning.
The problem with that statement is that I'm pretty sure the 3DS is going to be crossing paths with the DS again on the respective worldwide sales chart.
It's doing great in Japan and at least stabilized itself, but I don't think its numbers in the west are particularly good.
I'm pretty sure there was more hype for the Wii among gamers than the Wii U at this stage. There had to have been, because Nintendo at least let people glimpse something into the Wii's future.
What does doomed mean? Do you expect it to suddenly not exist? Do you expect it to do Gamecube numbers? Do you expect it to "only" do as good as PS3 and 360 did this gen?
I think that is the part that gets under peoples skin. The Wii U (and the Vita for this matter) will have their ~5 years to do their thing and since the Wii U and 3DS are already selling at profit (Iwata did say Wii U brought in more profit than Wii over the same time period) Nintendo is far from the dictionary definition of doomed.
I like how you conveniently took the cheapest 360 SKU vs. the most expensive Wii U one.
Newsflash: people weren't buying any Wii U's period, but if they wanted they could have got the basic. They both equally unsold. And the 360's that sold most were the $250 holiday bundle with the hard drive and two games. That's a $50 difference, not $150. Wii U is in the same price range, but is still getting killed.
But yeah, you're just making shit up and slanting numbers to try to win an argument anyway.
What does doomed mean? Do you expect it to suddenly not exist? Do you expect it to do Gamecube numbers? Do you expect it to "only" do as good as PS3 and 360 did this gen?
I think that is the part that gets under peoples skin. The Wii U (and the Vita for this matter) will have their ~5 years to do their thing and since the Wii U and 3DS are already selling at profit (Iwata did say Wii U brought in more profit than Wii over the same time period) Nintendo is far from the dictionary definition of doomed.
Wii U is doomed because it has no mindshare.
The word 'doomed' is really starting to get on my tits.
I think the doomed thing is a meme OP.