DXB-KNIGHT
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The best thing about that thread is the pre-hype, the actual Nintendo direct is just like when the credits starting rolling.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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Lol good luck with that
Only you could spin a dedicated audio DSP as a bad thing lol. It's more than likely for Wii emulation, regardless (which is why there's no optical out, but there is an HDMI out - because HDMI capability comes with the new ATI hardware)
Wow, way to be presumptuous. There isn't going to be 2 videocard generations between the release of the next gen hardware - and to top it off they're designing their consoles around what's available now.
Untrue.
specialguy said:
You mean like the PS Vita using a GPU design from 2008? Look, whether you get Turks or some middle-end GCN in your Durango, it's not like there are any drastic architectural changes happening over the next couple years in GPU technology.
Even Stephen Colbert has to acknowledge that Maxwell, once slated for 2011/12 and now fallen to 2014, isn't going to be making it into these boxes.
I'm the opposite. My TV has 1 HDMI and my receiver (Denon, 5 years old) has NONE. I don't want my games going through my shitty TV speaker, so without an optical audio out, or AT LEAST AV stereo, I'm screwed.
I don't want to have to be expected to upgrade my receiver for a console. 5 years ago (Here where I am anyway) HDMI was more like 3D is now. People had it, it was around and in devices but it wasn't considered the standard for everything.
Lol good luck with that
Untrue.
I have to defend specialguy in that one, at least a bit...
XENOS was based on a R520 which was already out by that time (release of X360 12/2005)
BUT it used some new things methods that ATI integrated later on in the R600 series wich was was first released mid of 2007.
So XENOS was not complete new but had 2 or 3 new things inside which were relesed later.
Damn, N64 was a beast.
Could you imagine if they released a new console with expandable memory? Such a crazy idea.
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Rösti
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This isn't much, but Kit Ellis (PR Manager) is in charge of Nintendo's booth (802) in the North Hall while Dave Sharp (Event Manager) manages the booth (CP 2020) in the Career Pavillion. For reference, Dave Sharp took care of both booths last year.
Kit Ellis has played major roles in managing the Nintendo 3DS preview event in New York on the 19th of January 2011, and also on E3 and PAX Prime 2011. I'd describe him as a cheerful and energetic person and I'd actually link him to more public audience-centric events such as mentioned E3 and PAX. Thus I wonder what his role on GDC will be; normally his job on events is to coordinate queue areas by verbally distributing incentives to why people should wait in line, and also of course give interviews to the press. Since Nintendo 3DS has already been out since February last year I doubt people will rush to play, unless something like The Legend of Zelda or a sequel to Sutte Hakkun (すってはっくん would be announced and playable (or at least shown via a video). So that gives at least a bit more credibility to the suggestion of Wii U demo kiosks at the event (not that this was much doubted, CES featured demo kiosk, but still). And while waiting, people will discuss the system and most likely ask Nintendo of America personnel (I hope Krysta Yang is there by the way, she did a good job at E3 last year) various things. There we have a chance of "leaks" or more information. Especially if Nintendo debuts something new like tech demos or perhaps some game prior to the start of the expo.
While I won't hold onto my hat like a mad person when it comes to predicting the outcome of GDC in relation to Nintendo, the chance of us getting some Wii U galore becomes more and more likely for each day.
Sources: http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/Bios/Bios_E311_KitEllis.pdf
http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/index.html
http://meetings.gdconf.com/index.php?page=cat_par¶ms[id]=259
Kit Ellis has played major roles in managing the Nintendo 3DS preview event in New York on the 19th of January 2011, and also on E3 and PAX Prime 2011. I'd describe him as a cheerful and energetic person and I'd actually link him to more public audience-centric events such as mentioned E3 and PAX. Thus I wonder what his role on GDC will be; normally his job on events is to coordinate queue areas by verbally distributing incentives to why people should wait in line, and also of course give interviews to the press. Since Nintendo 3DS has already been out since February last year I doubt people will rush to play, unless something like The Legend of Zelda or a sequel to Sutte Hakkun (すってはっくん
would be announced and playable (or at least shown via a video). So that gives at least a bit more credibility to the suggestion of Wii U demo kiosks at the event (not that this was much doubted, CES featured demo kiosk, but still). And while waiting, people will discuss the system and most likely ask Nintendo of America personnel (I hope Krysta Yang is there by the way, she did a good job at E3 last year) various things. There we have a chance of "leaks" or more information. Especially if Nintendo debuts something new like tech demos or perhaps some game prior to the start of the expo.While I won't hold onto my hat like a mad person when it comes to predicting the outcome of GDC in relation to Nintendo, the chance of us getting some Wii U galore becomes more and more likely for each day.
Sources: http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/Bios/Bios_E311_KitEllis.pdf
http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/index.html
http://meetings.gdconf.com/index.php?page=cat_par¶ms[id]=259
Rösti;35591347 said:This isn't much, but Kit Ellis (PR Manager) is in charge of Nintendo's booth (802) in the North Hall while Dave Sharp (Event Manager) manages the booth (CP 2020) in the Career Pavillion. For reference, Dave Sharp took care of both booths last year.
Kit Ellis has played major roles in managing the Nintendo 3DS preview event in New York on the 19th of January 2011, and also on E3 and PAX Prime 2011. I'd describe him as a cheerful and energetic person and I'd actually link him to more public audience-centric events such as mentioned E3 and PAX. Thus I wonder what his role on GDC will be; normally his job on events is to coordinate queue areas by verbally distributing incentives to why people should wait in line, and also of course give interviews to the press. Since Nintendo 3DS has already been out since February last year I doubt people will rush to play, unless something like The Legend of Zelda or a sequel to Sutte Hakkun (すってはっくん
While I won't hold onto my hat like a mad person when it comes to predicting the outcome of GDC in relation to Nintendo, the chance of us getting some Wii U galore becomes more and more likely for each day.
Sources: http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/Bios/Bios_E311_KitEllis.pdf
http://media.nintendo.com/pressroom/E32011/index.html
http://meetings.gdconf.com/index.php?page=cat_par¶ms[id]=259
Nice post, Rösti. It's little things like this that needs attention. Small contributing factors such as the staff present at Nintendo's booth and their effect on the attendees can help portray the approach nintendo may be taking at GDC.
It could, however, be taken the other way - if Nintendo don't announce anything, they need to persuade the public as much as possible that the Wii U booth is still worth visiting, despite old demos and no new information. This is where an energetic, enthusiastic personality may have it's benefits - after all, people may not be fussed to try out something they've seen before.
Yes it was for its time and had some wonderful games but not every developer was "bright enough" to use the limeted space of a cartridge right...
GDC prediction time!
Good chance
- More discussion on Nintendo Network
- Announced multi-media support for Wii U
- First trailer for Pokemon Black & White 2 for DS (coming out June)
- New trailer for Animal Crossing/Paper Mario/ Fire Emblem 3DS
Hey, it could happen
- Possible first glimpse at the recently announced New 3DS 2D Mario title
(Iwata said that the game will be released within the upcoming fiscal year so April 2012 - March 2013)
- Confirmation about whether Nintendo is making Wii U app-store
(GAF will go crazy with just a simple "Yes.")
- Confirmation about whether Nintendo will offer GameCube support to the virtual console
- If Wii U will support more than one Upad controller
Good chance
- More discussion on Nintendo Network
- Announced multi-media support for Wii U
- First trailer for Pokemon Black & White 2 for DS (coming out June)
- New trailer for Animal Crossing/Paper Mario/ Fire Emblem 3DS
Hey, it could happen
- Possible first glimpse at the recently announced New 3DS 2D Mario title
(Iwata said that the game will be released within the upcoming fiscal year so April 2012 - March 2013)
- Confirmation about whether Nintendo is making Wii U app-store
(GAF will go crazy with just a simple "Yes.")
- Confirmation about whether Nintendo will offer GameCube support to the virtual console
- If Wii U will support more than one Upad controller
Speaking of the N64, i have found memories of the Project Reality teasing back in those days. We were so excited in the media's, more than in the Emotion Engine & Can-Be-Used-For-Nuclear-Thingy episodes. SGI involved, the same guys behind the stations responsible of Jurassic Park CGI at the time, footages of virtual reality simulations, elaborated 3D animations from shows like Imagina in Monaco, etc. How can some people have forgotten HOW MUCH Nintendo stressed on visual revolution and power for a long period ? The transition from Snes to N64 was so thrilling from a media POV, all the "Full Glory of Project Reality Now Ultra 64 soon in arcade with KI and Cruisin'", the famous behind closed doors part of a Nintendo DKC promotional VHS included in our magazines where we had glimpses of Killer Instinct, the "see how we were able to make these gorgeous games on our 16 bit machine, imagine what we'll be capable of on the 64 bit one", etc.
Good old days <3
Good old days <3
CrunchyFrog
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This has already been confirmed. Confirmation of the app store might not happen publicly, but I expect it to be at least communicated to devs behind closed doors at GDC, everything else here will likely be saved for E3.
I hope it's more that they need someone who's peppy and energetic to further spur enthusiasm for trying the small, new Nintendo Juicy-related items of interest in a few days.
Gotta build that buzz, that momentum.. and this guy seems to fit the bill.
It's depressing to think about the Wii U after reading this.
But then I remember Nintendo franchises in HD, and I get happy again.
herzogzwei1989
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snowdog1971
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Yup, I feel too old though. I started gaming on Binatone Pong and then went on to the Atari VCS 2600 - 128 bytes of RAM (with no VRAM at all) and an 8 bit CPU running at 1.19MHz lol.
The Empire Strikes Back by Parker Brothers is still as addictive as crack cocaine and is imo one of the best video games of all-time.
Sorry to go off-topic, just wanted to reminisce lol.
Fourth Storm
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Perhaps someone can explain better, but the 4kb texture cache is widely regarded as a huge bottleneck for an otherwise extremely potent system. As for the main total memory, it was a tradeoff. The Rambus RDRAM was extremely fast for its time but it came at a high price. Was it the right call to keept it at 4 MB and later release the expansion pack? Who's to say, but some of the framerates in those N64 games surely could have benefited from 8MB off the bat, and the system was obviously designed w/ 8 MB in mind.
In regards to the audio DSP discussion, people should read this link regarding Nintendo's hardware design philosophy. Iwata and Miyamoto, as designers, value predictability over flexibility it seems. They would not want to add sound into their game and then something else in the game unexpectedly takes a nosedive. Why have to choose between high quality sound and something else?
Iwata said:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/101029qa/03.html
Here's what'll happen at GDC this year. Crytek will show their engine demo behind closed doors. We'll get some cryptic tidbits of info about it on Twitter during the start of the event, and then some more substantial info later on. Unless Crytek comes out and says "no this couldn't be done on current systems" we'll have to go by the opinions of the gaming press. People at GDC will be on both sides of the fence - that's just unavoidable when you're talking about something as subjective as graphics. 9 out of every 10 posts here will be about judging the 'power' of the console via these opinions about Crytek UK's demo making abilities. No one will learn anything.
At the same time, Nintendo will show off some new gameplay tech demos using Wii Sports graphics and not that many will pay attention. The gameplay mechanics will soon revolutionize the industry, but since we can't assign a multiplier number to them, there won't be too much discussion about them at all. But the graphics will be whined about to no end.
At the same time, Nintendo will show off some new gameplay tech demos using Wii Sports graphics and not that many will pay attention. The gameplay mechanics will soon revolutionize the industry, but since we can't assign a multiplier number to them, there won't be too much discussion about them at all. But the graphics will be whined about to no end.
nordique
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It can be done yes, but this is also assuming Microsoft follows the same business model that lost them a very large amount of money for 2 generations.
I foresee them enjoying making money more so than losing money, and their recent business model of Kinect shows which direction they're looking to.
The only main reason the 360 has had a resurgence in popularity was because of Kinect.
I think you're right to assume the next Xbox will be a more capable machine than the 360, as Microsoft understands the "core" gamers are the backbone of their (and arguably any) video game business.
But if you're expecting a very large jump, you are going to be very disappointed. I don't know if this has been pointed out to you before or not, but you should temper your expectations of the next Xbox.
Keep in mind, as zombie pointed out, in a closed system environment a system can be capable of much more; case in point the 3DS hardware can pump something out like this:
(Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D)
compared with this:
(Resident Evil: Mercenaries Vs, optimized for iOS 3GS, *4 and 4S)
*4 was the primary platform target due to Retina compatibility although it was designed with 3GS in mind. Runs better on 4/4S. And, this game was actually based off of the 3DS version.
We all know how on paper an iPhone 4, even a 3GS seems much superior tech-wise to a 3DS, but the "closed" nature of the system is very important. (Never mind Revelations vs Degeneration iOS)
But this is now getting tangental. My point is the closed system environment can play a huge role.
But, that said, still do temper your hardware expectations. The rumoured "6670" in the "720" devkits makes a lot of sense to me. Its a much more capable card than Xenos. But don't expect a super powerful chip.
Also, while I am no tech head in any way, I do agree with wsippel's stance regarding the DSP. It is a smart engineering design move.
lunchwithyuzo
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Well, sort of. It was implied by a PR person and then officially retracted.
I want to see GameCube, Sega CD, Saturn and Dreamcast all confirmed for Wii U VC. Maybe even 32X and 3DO too. Also, more Arcade support.
Yeah. I was eleven at the time. Project Reality was my first sexual experience.
Shin Johnpv
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I never said the 4kb of texture cache was good. I just commented on how you seemed to feel that going with 4MB of ram was a poor decision, when it was still .5 - 1 meg more than the competition. Which was roughly 16 - 33% more. I don't think the system was made with 8MB in mind. It would have been like if Sony released the PS3 with 1.25 gigs of ram this gen. I just don't think that was something they were contemplating doing when building the system.
Yes it was made with upgrading the ram in mind. Though I don't think they went in designing it saying the system is going to have 8MB, and then half way through the design process cut it to 4MB. Don't forget that the Saturn got 2 ram expansion packs, a 1 meg one and a 4 meg one. I think the expansion of ram at some point back then became the industries idea of extending the console life cycle.
SimCity V with each screen showing a different view point perhaps a zoomed out god mode and another view point from the eyes of a Sim. That would be cool.
How about a Civilization game where you have a zoomed out map on the TV and a list of all your cities on the touch pad.
How about a Civilization game where you have a zoomed out map on the TV and a list of all your cities on the touch pad.
bgassassin
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Wsippel's previous post(s) caused me to do a little digging. And while I haven't had a chance to really check them out, I though I would pass them on here.
I came across a couple of patents while doing a cross search with Cadence and Nintendo. Both patents were filed in 2009.
The first was issued in Aug. 2011 and is for "Graphics system with embedded frame buffer having reconfigurable pixel formats".
http://www.google.com/patents/US7995069?printsec=description#v=onepage&q&f=false
The second was issued in Jan. 2012 and is for "Graphics processing system with enhanced memory controller".
http://www.google.com/patents/US8098255?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
When I have more time I'll study over them more, but I went ahead and posted them in hopes that others could look them over and see what they can take from it as well, if anything at all.
I came across a couple of patents while doing a cross search with Cadence and Nintendo. Both patents were filed in 2009.
The first was issued in Aug. 2011 and is for "Graphics system with embedded frame buffer having reconfigurable pixel formats".
http://www.google.com/patents/US7995069?printsec=description#v=onepage&q&f=false
The second was issued in Jan. 2012 and is for "Graphics processing system with enhanced memory controller".
http://www.google.com/patents/US8098255?printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
When I have more time I'll study over them more, but I went ahead and posted them in hopes that others could look them over and see what they can take from it as well, if anything at all.
Still can't believe that happened. :lol
OrangeGrayBlue
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Man, I sure miss old Nintendo.
Old Nintendo is new Sony.....
Nintendo Direct thread was pure madness and fun, I think everybody in there laughed their asses off. I mean, thinking about that stupid "Nintendo hype train in space" pic makes me still laugh, that was just amazing.
Sad thing is, that avatars will be disabled when it's E3 time..
Sad thing is, that avatars will be disabled when it's E3 time..
Yeah.. and Sony is playing financial Russian Roulette with its whole "power power power!" routine. It's called the "bleeding edge" for a reason.
I don't mind Nintendo's sense of self-preservation.
OK, let me say it this way then:
Old Nintendo = Powerful hardware + amazing Mario, Zelda and Metroid games.
Nintendo Direct thread was pure madness and fun, I think everybody in there laughed their asses off. I mean, thinking about that stupid "Nintendo hype train in space" pic makes me still laugh, that was just amazing.
Sad thing is, that avatars will be disabled when it's E3 time..
Agreed. That was the magic of Nintendo + Hype + NeoGAF. The lead up with the avatars, etc. was way more fun than the actual conference (and the conference was fine).
TheCongressman1
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Nintendo Direct thread was pure madness and fun, I think everybody in there laughed their asses off. I mean, thinking about that stupid "Nintendo hype train in space" pic makes me still laugh, that was just amazing.
That was all great fun. I think one of the best parts is how it all just came out of nowhere.
OK, let me say it this way then:
Old Nintendo = Powerful hardware + amazing Mario, Zelda and Metroid games.
That sounds about right.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
Nor I. Things like the wiimote and the Upad (and networks like XBL) have caused and will cause a much more significant change between generations than hardware power does. Console manufacturers are fighting a losing battle to see who can process the most hairs on someone's head at this point. It's a shame that people are so concerned about GPUs and CPUs that have already been surpassed on the consumer PC market. I'm much more interested in how the control interface will bring new game ideas into the fore.
Screencap?
bgassassin
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I wish I could provide one for you. By the fourth of fifth page of that thread I was ROFLing quite a bit.
bgassassin
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IceDoesntHelp
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In how many years more we will have that level of detail in games?
IceDoesntHelp
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I personally hope never. I play video games to escape reality, not get re-immersed into reality.
But I'd say at least 15 years.
Yep, the big hype was what let N64 sold very well just out of the gate.
They show a bajillion GC "movie" ( onyx station ) that were unfeasible on the actual system.
What is Sonic Team up to? I'd love some new Feel the Magic/Rub Rabbits type innovative game for Wii u.
Thanks. I didn't read/realize this was so recent.
Thanks. I didn't read/realize this was so recent.
FreeMufasa
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What do you guys think Nintendo will talk about at GDC? Do we know who will be speaking and the title of the lecture?
IceDoesntHelp
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How the Wii U will revolutionize gaming, that it spits out "1080p" graphics and to look forward to E3.
No way I can be disappointed now
But they still can create fantasy worlds with more detail, imagine a real life Neburi D=
Interesting article from IGN UK, an interview of Aonuma concerning partnerships with outside studios to develop Zelda.
This will certainly fuel the "Retro on Zelda Wii U MEGATON !" further. But the bold part is interesting here. As the future title of that franchise will be quite demanding on visuals, we can expect Nintendo relying on another studio to handle specifically the graphics. I just hope that Nintendo games will keep their coherence with this new development approach, outsourcing, even with close monitoring, is often less preferable than doing everything yourself, especially with Big N games where what is displayed isn't just a pretty scenery but is heavily linked with the gameplay.
But this news can be 3DS related also. They overlooked the possibility that this whole "collaboration with another studio for a future Zelda" could concern a 3DS Zelda, involving for example the participation of Monolith as we know they recruited for this platform recently.
And Iwata announced Zelda Spirit Tracks on DS at the 2009 GDC... so maybe this year, it will be the turn for Zelda 3DS, even if apparently, Iwata will not be present ? Tadammmmm, some anticipation & expectation spice a few days before the show
This will certainly fuel the "Retro on Zelda Wii U MEGATON !" further. But the bold part is interesting here. As the future title of that franchise will be quite demanding on visuals, we can expect Nintendo relying on another studio to handle specifically the graphics. I just hope that Nintendo games will keep their coherence with this new development approach, outsourcing, even with close monitoring, is often less preferable than doing everything yourself, especially with Big N games where what is displayed isn't just a pretty scenery but is heavily linked with the gameplay.
But this news can be 3DS related also. They overlooked the possibility that this whole "collaboration with another studio for a future Zelda" could concern a 3DS Zelda, involving for example the participation of Monolith as we know they recruited for this platform recently.
And Iwata announced Zelda Spirit Tracks on DS at the 2009 GDC... so maybe this year, it will be the turn for Zelda 3DS, even if apparently, Iwata will not be present ? Tadammmmm, some anticipation & expectation spice a few days before the show
IceDoesntHelp
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Well that is true..that'd be nice.
You'll have to forgive me but, the first time I searched that up, I ran into Furry's riding Loftwings. Then I found "Oyako Neburi", which is apparently a "Adventure game, developed and published by Under Lip, which was released in Japan in 2007." That has a NSFW picture for a cover..so what is Neburi D:
Not enough Boobies.Que? I didn't see tits in the demo although the first bird was kind of close.
But it wasn't close enough.
Fourth Storm
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Great find. I wonder what about the memory controller is "enhanced." I doubt I'll be able to make proper sense of the patent, but perhaps somebody else will.
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