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[Shinta]

I'm not a fan of generalizing but everyone defending these kind of disgusting games always has anime or Moe avatars and it's pretty fair to think it's probably because they feel like what they enjoy is being attacked.

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Don't pull One Piece in to this.

Oda intentionally makes Nami's boobs bigger in every arc for shits and giggles and fanservice yet she's only just recently left her teens in the plot. JUSTIFY THAT

Spoiler

and Usopp's phallic nose.

Labeling is fun and isn't akin to bullying especially when done by someone in a seat of power!

Hide your children, here come the people with anime avatars!

Somebody with an American Dad avatar would say that, wouldn't they?

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Fuck, I'm technically "anime" too.

 

[Glittering Crux]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

I don't get it. All their avatars have a green and orange theme?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Oda intentionally makes Nami's boobs bigger in every arc for shits and giggles and fanservice yet she's only just recently left her teens in the plot. JUSTIFY THAT

Spoiler

and Usopp's phallic nose.

Everyone's boobs got bigger when they started eating Sanji's food.

 

[Mik317]

I'm not a fan of generalizing but everyone defending these kind of disgusting games always has anime or Moe avatars and it's pretty fair to think it's probably because they feel like what they enjoy is being attacked.

I'm not even defending this game. I am just leary about what precedent it may set. I am for the most part okay with it been banned here (and afterall it's not my board any way), but I do worry (to use my avatar as an example) if say one day something like One Piece that can get super damn pervy at times is moderated harder.

That's all I was saying. I am fine with Criminal Girls getting the hammer.

and yet a few page later because of my avatar, I am grouped in with a whole other group. The fuck is that?

 

[jackie jormp-jomp]

You guys really have some soft skin, heh?

speaking of soft skin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVv-J-LXQU
Your avatar's a wussie

 

[wyrdwad]

I think a lot of our taboos regarding sexuality, artistic depictions thereof, and minors being exposed to them are at least questionable, but art that blatantly sexualizes minors? Or that glorifies sexual violence? Nah, I don't support it being banned, but I don't think an instinctive revulsion is unwarranted.

Oh, I completely agree with that. It IS absolutely revolting, and such a reaction is absolutely warranted.

But that's part of what makes it beautiful! The human condition is sometimes so awful that it haunts our deepest, darkest nightmares... and if something is so terrible as to make you lose sleep, lose faith in humanity or even just want to vomit, that's kind of beautiful in its own way.

If something affects us on a deep, emotional level -- be it positive or negative, delightful or uncomfortable -- is that not an indication of its power as a work of art? And isn't that ability for a mere CONCEPT to make us sad, or mad, or miserable kind of amazing, when you think about it?

That's what I love about art.

-Tom

 

[Father_Brain]

The Miller test is bullshit though. I honestly can't see how anyone who's given the obscenity issue serious thought can think it's a good idea.

Neither can I. Regardless of how repugnant you or I might find a work, subjective judgments of artistic merit really have no place in determining whether it deserves First Amendment protection.

So, I mean, Criminal Girls is fucking disgusting and I have no problem with threads on it being banned here, but that's a subjective judgment and on principle I would be against any attempt to outright ban it from sale.

 

[Jinfash]

I don't get it. All their avatars have a green and orange theme?

It's a haiku.

 

[Wazzy]

Okay, this shit pisses me off. I'm sure I've seen people get banned for stuff like "LOL anime avatar tho". Seeing a mod do it is just depressing. Guess I can never go back to using an avatar of an anime character I like. Oh well. At least Katrien here is Chilean, so I'm safe, right?

What is with this ridiculous attitude that people with anime avatars are being persecuted against?

You'll only get targeted if you're coming into threads and defending disgusting games.

 

[EloquentM]

Mac are you stirring people up again?

 

[Dragonborn]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

Yup, and what's sad is that you would think in a forum dedicated to gaming (which is often over generalized and stereotyped) people would be less prone to do that, yet here we are.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

My immediate thought is if the game can be sold in an official capacity then it should be reasonable to be able to discuss on GAF. Looking up footage of it however and uh, yeah, it's amazing to see it's going to see international release at all.

"Don't make further threads for this game." - NeoGAF makes for a great box quote though.

I bet GameFAQs has no qualms with it, let's see what they're up to. Oh, already a thread about GAF there, hah.

Whoa, my post is the one in that guy's quote.

 

[Arkage]

And as soon as we start limiting what people can and cannot do with fictional creations, perverted fantasies about having sex with underage girls begin falling apart.
-Tom

Fixed your quote to make it more relevant to the actual debate taking place in this thread.

 

[Crocodile]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

I don't have a dog in this fight - all I know about this game is one GIF I saw on page 1 of a topic that prompted my "NOPE" and "BAILOUT" response - but can we please stop with "LOL look at that person's avatar, let's ignore/berate/mock his/her opinion or put words in their mouth based solely on their avatar"? Isn't this basically an ad homeimen attack? I see this shit ALL THE TIME. Why is a mod engaging in this? ;_;

 

[freenudemacusers]

v disappointed to see avatar shaming being legitimized by community leadership. it's this kind of oppressive attitude that just hardens opinions and shuts down expression.

 

[Crayons]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

And isn't it a shame? Some article talks about some used panty vending machine and now everything about japan is "lol japan creeps". People need to be mature and not view an entire culture as weirdos.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

I expected better from you.

 

[Brakke]

Mauricio_Magus is a quality poster. But I giggle at that avatar every time. The whole Mauricio_Magus experience is very consistent. <3

Don't really know the other two.

 

[Easton Dark]

You should probably go back and re-read my comment if you want a non-sarcastic answer. Because that wasn't my point in the slightest.

I read it. You say people distinguish worth based on whether something is pornographic. I asked jokingly what you would consider pornography.

4 penises it is.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It's a haiku.

Sounds Japanese. Why do you support Criminal Girls, Jinfash?

 

[akaoni]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

You fucked up. Congratulations.

 

[Zabant]

Persona 3 spoilers-

Spoiler

Yukari and the MC didn't have sex. The whole point was for the Temptation to make them fall prey and be killed while having sex.

What I was getting at is there's a shower scene involving a teenage girl and there's some serious sexual themes involving minors going on there, something relevant to this thread.

Spoiler

I wasn't trying to imply they ended up fucking

 

[Professor Beef]

You guys really have some soft skin, heh?

Such soft, silky skin~

 

[Ponn]

Somebody with an American Dad avatar would say that, wouldn't they?

I just like drunk pussy...so i'm obviously pro rape culture.

 

[Yuuichi]

I know next to nothing about this game besides the image presented in this thread and was not planning on joining in, bit this comment rather frustrates me.

I realize that I'm most likely a minority in this, but I'm really bad at assigning values to visual cues without context or comparison. So it's rather grating to see people talking like this is common sense. You say that relying on arbitrary information is flimsy, but how is depending solely on the depiction itself any less arbitrary or flimsy?

How does that look remotely human? How do you even begin to determine the comparative ratio to a real human being? What parameter do you use? I honestly, unironically, seriously feels that this is akin to saying that "Lamborghini looks underage and Ferrari looks old" and frankly it just sounds like nonsense.

Again, I'm most likely a minority on this and probably just not right in the head. I just need to get that out of my chest.

This is a fair enough point, and it technically stops me from making the point that I would like to make, that I'm basing my judgement off my previous experience with similarly styled art, but even in that case, the data in question regarding age is still arbitrarily provided by an external source, and I would be hypocritical to hide behind such a defense.

As dumb as it sounds, arguably the best clues are comparative height and body development in regards to real people. Looking at the cast image floating around the tail of the thread, the first 3 girls seem far younger and prepubescent compared to the 4 following them, and I'll leave you to make your decision based on that.


Edit: It's late and I'm beat, so I'm bailing for the night. Stay classy, GAF.

 

[benjipwns]

v disappointed to see avatar shaming being legitimized by community leadership. it's this kind of oppressive attitude that just hardens opinions and shuts down expression.

Remember when we could have animated avatars. Avatar oppression has long been a part of this forums bigoted regime!

 

[Silky]

you guys are taking that anime avatar thing way too seriously

 

[Krejlooc]

I read it. You say people distinguish worth based on whether something is pornographic. I asked jokingly what you would consider pornography.

4 penises it is.

You probably should have continued reading, then.

This "Everything is art!" sentiment can be disingenuous. The argument about this game not being art is rooted in the idea that it has little redeeming value. It doesn't inspire discussion beyond "that's so sick" or "omg so hawt." There is no deeper message being conveyed. It's visual and sexual gluttony for a market most would see fit to let starve.

But, the answer is also four.

 

[littleworm]

Avatar quoting and Response Gifs are shit tier posts, and really do little to nothing to promote productive discussions, all it leaves is hurt feelings and bans in its wake. In regards to the game, eh, nothing i'd ever buy. Never would of known the game existed if it wasn't this thread wasn't made.

 

[Gestahl]

You know maybe people aren't making fun of glorious nippon when they make fun of you.

Maybe they're making fun of you.

Food for thought

I study Japanese as a major hobby, so using an entire country in some sort of insane persecution complex doesn't really sit well with me

 

[Esch]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

I think you're a bit out of line with the japanese culture = animu and gaems i like and people who dislike them are racist line.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Neither can I. Regardless of how repugnant you or I might find a work, subjective judgments of artistic merit really have no place in determining whether it deserves First Amendment protection.

So, I mean, Criminal Girls is fucking disgusting and I have no problem with threads on it being banned here, but that's a subjective judgment and on principle I would be against any attempt to outright ban it from sale.

I have being reading some information about the game, and it seems that only that punishment minigame was what one would call disgusting, and precisely said minigame has being censored for western release.

 

[Quote]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

This is kind of a shit post. :<

I guess a nofunallowed.jpg might have made it okay though.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

you guys are taking that anime avatar thing way too seriously

I don't think bad posting should be taken lightly regardless of who it is. Because quite frankly, it was a shitty post.

 

[wyrdwad]

If you've taken art history you'd know the opposite to be true. A lot of art is created to either change ideas or reinforce popular notions. Ever heard of propaganda?

See, I have taken art history, and I simply don't believe that for a second. Yes, I've heard of propaganda -- propaganda is a means of inspiring people to do the things that they were already pretty much inclined to do anyway.

And yes, a lot of art IS created to change ideas or reinforce popular notions, but... I don't think that actually works. Rather, I think the ideas and popular notions themselves are what influence the populace. The art simply makes the people aware of these ideas and notions -- but if they do change their mind about them, the most the art actually accomplished was to drive that person over an edge upon which he/she was already teetering.

You can argue this all you want, but there's no way to prove or disprove either point of view. It's a chicken-and-egg scenario -- which came first, the art or the subject depicted in said art?

What if it was the exact things shown and done in reality, just imaginational and drawn out?

Would it then turn good?

I... don't even really understand the question? I'm sorry, but you're going to have to rephrase...

-Tom

 

[Shinta]

And isn't it a shame? Some article talks about some used panty vending machine and now everything about japan is "lol japan creeps". People need to be mature and not view an entire culture as weirdos.

Exactly. I'm so glad you know what I'm talking about without me having to say it.

I've written about this before. 6 years of Brian Ashcraft articles on Kotaku about weird shit from Japan, and I'd argue a giant portion of gamers who frequent gaming sites now hold significantly racist attitudes about Japanese culture, and anyone who likes it based on this extremely misguided, simplistic, ignorant idea of what it's like.

It's all over the internet.

I think you're a bit out of line with the japanese culture = animu and gaems i like and people who dislike them are racist line.

No. I call it like I see it. It's only insults about Japanese cartoons, and Japanese avatars. What do you call that?

Stop being afraid of calling it exactly what it is.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Remember when we could have animated avatars. Avatar oppression has long been a part of this forums bigoted regime!

before my time, which is too bad, i have some great ngnl gifs

 

[cosmicblizzard]

That argument is based on nothing, my question is based on research. That is the reason why people are so confused when some here keep bringing up GTA V and other games, not only is the jury still out on those, the crime is different and in certain games its actually handled like the abhorrent act it. You might not believe on it, Tom, but a lot of health care professionals do including me have seen the opposite, are you saying that decades of analysis and trumped by a hunch you have?

Huh, I've definitely seen studies that conclude the opposite. That's interesting.

I wonder what the reason for the sexual abuse case number discrepancy between Japan and other countries is about, then.

 

[Silky]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

What?

 

[benjipwns]

You know maybe people aren't making fun of glorious nippon when they make fun of you.

Maybe they're making fun of you.

Food for thought

No, probably butthurt Americans still upset over Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

 

[Seik]

Such soft, silky skin~

Team Ninja™

 

[213372bu]

I have being reading some information about the game, and it seems that only that punishment minigame was what one would call disgusting, and precisely said minigame has being censored for western release.

If I recall correctly from the images I saw in safesearch, there's more.

 

[Funchameleon]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

My fave mod

 

[Toxi]

I've been thinking about changing my avatar.

 

[Easton Dark]

You probably should have continued reading, then.

I kept going back to the post I quoted to see what you meant about re-reading.

Bah. Sorry.

 

[rpmurphy]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

Anime, not even once.

 

[EloquentM]

Back seat modding on a mod? Well I never...

 

[Professor Beef]

I don't know what's funnier about the reactions to TDM's post: the extraordinary large amounts of tears flowing forth from people, or the fact that so many people missed the point entirely.