Also agree with this. Great design, its smaller, much more powerful than base model, 4k UHD, and with a clear commitment to update first party to 4k with lot of 3rd party support. Price is the only downside, but weighing specs and value proposition, the X is a very tempting path for current owners and new 4k users.
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WindowsCentral: Xbox One X Amazon pre-orders surpass PS4 Pro YTD for 2017
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Also agree with this. Great design, its smaller, much more powerful than base model, 4k UHD, and with a clear commitment to update first party to 4k with lot of 3rd party support. Price is the only downside, but weighing specs and value proposition, the X is a very tempting path for current owners and new 4k users.
Electret
Member
As best we can tell, Pro sales are roughly 20% of total platform sales.
What percentage were you expecting?
xxbrothawizxx63
Member
Microsoft definitely went all out on the X, so this doesn't surprise. Pro seemed half baked from the reveal.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Ah, all very true.
What the hell? Why would you think that? It'll be interesting to see how the XBO X improves Microsoft's situation in the US, worldwide it'll be a different story.
Edit: Wait, doesn't Amazon only charge your card when the product is shipped/preparing for shipment?
Marty Chinn
Member
Maybe Sony should have included a UHD BR player after all...
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Good. Deserves it over the "pro" with no 4k drive.
Kikorin
Member
I was expecting exactly this number and I expect pretty bad numbers for X1X too in long terms, to me PS4 Slim and Vanilla and X1 and X1S will reamin top sellers by wide margin at the end.
Gunslinger
Member
Ps4 pro is a slightly boosted vanilla ps4. Now while the GPU is much stronger the CPU holds it back. badly... I had both ps4 at one point. And the difference is not so much.
Electret
Member
Right, so I don't see why that should be considered more 'bad' than 'expected'. Both X and Pro should represent the minority of sales, but over the long term it's possible X could take a greater proportion - 30%, perhaps? Maybe after the price is dropped.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Really?
A much bigger power gap between base and upgrade
Baseline hardware baked improvements to all games
BC game improvements
SMALLER than the original model
4K bluray
The jump from PS4 to Pro is far smaller than the jump from Xbox One to X.
RedAssedApe
Banned
switch and pricing make me wonder
Not too surprising it's doing this well for launch on Amazon. Would expect it to best PS4 Pro sales this holiday in the US how it does after will be interesting.
Side note - Is Amazon still generally reliable at predicting what console sold most monthly?
Side note - Is Amazon still generally reliable at predicting what console sold most monthly?
Answer this - Are X360 games XB1 games?
You do know Jez's story was based on expectations by a UK retailer 😂 lol.
CharminUltra
Member
Not gonna lie, I'm impressed. Good job, MS.
If Nintendo has the product Switch will win Nov/Dec easily.
If they don't, MS will probably win Nov due to the X debut, but I think Sony will still take Dec unless the X1S is significantly cheaper than the PS4 Slim
Pro had little leverage going for it. It will not at all shock me if the X1X smashes its LTD in a short amount of time.
The PS4 already had the best versions of every game, and was already running game at 1080p. Why upgrade to get a little bit better, especially if you don't have a 4K TV? Apathy reigns.
The X1X, on the other hand, takes you from worst to best. Even those without 4K TVs are getting an upgrade here, as before they often weren't even getting 1080p games. A shit load of current X1 owners have reason to upgrade.
The PS4 already had the best versions of every game, and was already running game at 1080p. Why upgrade to get a little bit better, especially if you don't have a 4K TV? Apathy reigns.
The X1X, on the other hand, takes you from worst to best. Even those without 4K TVs are getting an upgrade here, as before they often weren't even getting 1080p games. A shit load of current X1 owners have reason to upgrade.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Forgot about Switch.
If they have the stock I'd assume they'd win. But between Xbox and PlayStation I'd be surprised if Xbox didn't take out November and December.
matrixman92
Member
The pro seemed like it had the hype of a wet fart. Microsoft has been building it up for so long it's kinda crazy. But yeah, idk how well Amazon preorders are for this to be judged. One of my friends preordered 5, no money down, just to see if he can flip them. If not, he is going to cancel
Broadbandito
Member
People need to remember that it costs NOTHING to pre order on amazon. They charge when it SHIPS. I bet half of the orders are scalpers waiting to see if it sells out everywhere (being the project scorpio edition) and at least 10% will cancel before release.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Thanks. I'm a bit overtired I think. All good points.
Not only a question of insufficient stock, but also Nintendo just not playing ball. You win the holidays with low-price bundles. They sometimes pack in a big game, but they do it at full price. The Switch at $299 is a great value, no question. But the XB1S and PS4 Slim with 1-2 games bundled and retailer gift cards at sub-$199 is important to keep in mind, too.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
The X upgrade is certainly far more appealing than the Pro upgrade was, for these and other reasons (e.g. HDR + 4k BR + BC enhancements + smaller compared to launch model), the real question is to what extent the high price will hurt its long term sales potential.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Fully expecting sales to drop off a cliff from January on.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Amazon preorders can be easily cancelled so I'm much more interested in seeing actual sales figure comparisons. It does give a good indicator for interest though.
That's why the XB1S is still selling well 🤔.
1/2 are scalpers? How much you want to bet on that?
And let's say that 10% is cancelled. Do you think they will just sit there unsold?
It was never going to be the main driver of sales. MS knows this. Everyone should by now. It's common sense.
I am not going to disagree with anything you just said.
I do think PS Pro was more built for PSVR. Then it was 4K or getting better performance and better graphics for the system.
And it seems that PSVR has done quite well, but VR is slowing down. I think VR is going to be huge, but it was a little early for it. Maybe in 5 years it will really take off.
But I think Sonys thoughts on creating the Pro was for VR. But the cost of the hardware versus the price of the hardware is probably minimal as far as profits. And then the game sales do not justify it, because of the small user base. And if you are developing a game, the cost of a Triple AAA game requires a higher user base, so all you will get in the end is smaller games, or Triple AAA games with the feature tacked on.
MarineMountie
Member
Why? I get to play games in 4K, have access to the largest and best selection of exclusive titles, HDR makes a world of difference...
That is what I'm not getting here. People saying "best place to play games" with the One X. One X users will be playing Destiny 2 in 4K 30fps just like I will be on my Pro. Just one example but you get the point. Add in the objectively better exclusive library, why would I ever think about switching?
dano1
A Sheep
PS5
I think people are saying "best place to play multiplats " and the poster you are quoting already has a PS4 so gets to play those exclusives anyways
Some of us have both Xbox and PS4 so we aren't "switching". I don't think anyone is trying to sell you to switch
dano1
A Sheep
Nobody gives a rats ass about UHD in a game system . If your into high end audio video equipment your not buying a video game system to play UHD Blu rays.
MarineMountie
Member
I'm aware. How is it the best place to play multiplats when both systems are running 4K 30fps? What does that extra $100 get me that the Pro doesn't offer me? That's what I'm looking for. I buy movies digitally, so a disk player doesn't sell me.
To think UHD BR plays such a huge role in sales is just... hilarious.
You were on record months ago being wrong.
Congratulations.
🎉🎉🎉
Or to put it this way:
If Xbox X actually does outsell Xbox S this holiday, MS should REALLY worry about Xbox.
family_guy
Member
The difference in picture quality isn't worth paying $250+ dollars for a dedicated box.
It's not like I wanted you to buy a Pro or anything, baka
You're one example is Destiny.
Here's a different one:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1422676
Again not saying you should buy one, as you seem like you have zero interest in one and that's fine, but this example is why people are saying it's the best console for multiplats.
And_Gignac
Member
If Nintendo fix their stock drama, Switch will win them both and is not going to be close.
Good news for Microsoft. I doubt this will change the outcome of the generation in any significant way, though.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Good for Microsoft but how many PS4's are in people's homes? This isn't a new gen. It's just an enthusiast hardware revision.
This holiday who sells more consoles?
Tell me Microsoft?
This holiday who sells more consoles?
Tell me Microsoft?
so if ps4 sells are at
Jan: 210,665
Feb: 398,407
Mar: 396,726
Apr: 206,247
May: 187,182
Jun: 381,196
july: ???
that 1,780,000 to 1,900,000
lets say 20% are ps4 pro thats 356,000 to 375,000
so microsoft sold around say 400,000 unit. great job
if the npd post is right http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=244047078&postcount=708
little drunk sorry if my math is off
Jan: 210,665
Feb: 398,407
Mar: 396,726
Apr: 206,247
May: 187,182
Jun: 381,196
july: ???
that 1,780,000 to 1,900,000
lets say 20% are ps4 pro thats 356,000 to 375,000
so microsoft sold around say 400,000 unit. great job
if the npd post is right http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=244047078&postcount=708
little drunk sorry if my math is off
As far as we know Pro is doing fine. 20% of PS4 purchases are Pro. That's totally OK. I don't know what else one would expect from a mid-gen refresh anyway. We're at 60 million PS4s because of the price, not the better Pro hardware.
Again, and I really don't know why people just aren't getting this apparently, Sony knew Pro was niche, so does MS with Xbox X. Both of their "volume drivers" are PS4 and Xbox S. As they've said numerous times.
Nintendo.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Yes!!
Or some very weird thing where both the PS4 slim and One X end up being the main drivers, confusing the hell out of market analysts