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WindowsCentral: Xbox One X Amazon pre-orders surpass PS4 Pro YTD for 2017
- Thread starter Uno Venova
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- NPD is just the US, 20% PS4 Pro should be worldwide, so the numbers are higher
- this is one retailer (Amazon)
- these are pre-orders
- your conclusion makes no sense
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thelastword
Banned
Does that 4k drive guarantee you 4k games?
wapplew
Member
That's just because PS4 Pro not quite qualify as premium console.
SHAFT MASTER
Banned
Now I've heard people argue that 64 may be better than 66.
Real food for thought.
I have no idea why you're not banned tbh.
I appreciate a good troll from time to time, but this is way too flat.
Broadbandito
Member
What's also impressive is that the pro outsold the xbox one s. The One S isn't even on the top 100 for 2017.
The pro also outsold the xbox one s on amazon in 2016. Pro is #46 and One S 500 gb bundle with bf1 is #64
I also expect some crazy BF sales this year.
$200 ps4 or $249 (or lower) with 2 games
$200 xbox one s or $249 (or lower) with 2 games
$300-$350 Pro or $399 with 1 or 2 games
The pro also outsold the xbox one s on amazon in 2016. Pro is #46 and One S 500 gb bundle with bf1 is #64
I also expect some crazy BF sales this year.
$200 ps4 or $249 (or lower) with 2 games
$200 xbox one s or $249 (or lower) with 2 games
$300-$350 Pro or $399 with 1 or 2 games
You do know the fault in your logic don't you? Or is this a sarcastic post?
If you want him banned for posts like that, you need to take a good look around (not you are trolling but many other posters)
I'm sure you're right and the people who don't get it just stand out more. I like how often some gamers believe they know it better than the companies themselves. That's just incredibly hilarious to me. To wish away basic market realities and economic principles for a brand (may it be PlayStation, Xbox or Nintendo) they apparently really love.
therealbigrich
Member
There could of been a lot of SKUs of PS4 pro but I swear I remember at least 5 or 6 plus SKUs of the Xb1 S . I'm just wondering if overall the X1 actually outsold the ps4 pro at least
NullZ3r0
Banned
Sony is the market leader and they don't want to cannibalize PS4 sales so they aren't as aggressive. The Xbox One X is a do-over for MS. They don't want to say it, but they fucked up with the Xbox One and want to erase it from history. So they're pushing the X as hard as they can.
El-Pistolero
Member
Pro will receive a $50 price discount this Holiday period so things will get quite heated on all fronts...
Nightengale
Member
... Even though the sales pitch for X and Pro are functionally similar, they're products from 2 different companies.
Sometimes, companies just do things differently even with the same intended outcome. Just because Xbox is more "aggressive" doesn't mean that Sony is consciously being softer about it, and vice-versa.
What does that have to do with Sony dropping the ball on 4K blu ray drives?
zeopower6
Member
Pretty much most people won't be buying Pros unless they have a price break.
In the same chart it's the Switch at no.6 and PS4 Slim at no.9. It really doesn't mean diddly IMO. Plus Pros have been on the market for like 10 months now?
Also quite literally the X is the only Xbox console in the top 100.
In the same chart it's the Switch at no.6 and PS4 Slim at no.9. It really doesn't mean diddly IMO. Plus Pros have been on the market for like 10 months now?
Also quite literally the X is the only Xbox console in the top 100.
Just to clarify, I'm not advocating against owning a PS4. The Pro specifically is just not very well implemented and never has established itself as necessary. The Xbox One X is by all indications better thought out than the Pro was. It is more powerful and that will show, but you can get a great showing on just a normal PS4 that is not significantly inferior to the Pro. If the X is really this much better than not just the stock PS4 but the Pro, I will use it to play most of my games and be happy with it. If you already have a Pro and are happy with that, enjoy it. For my end, I was and am saying the PS4 Pro is just not very impressive compared to anything else you can get for the money.
Maybe others are interested in it because they like the power of a PC in a console, as you said, but already build all their own machines and have come to appreciate that power on top of what consoles offer. I'm in that camp myself and have seen others here that are too.
Sorry I need some help in walking through this logic.
therealbigrich
Member
I can see why people look at the X as a do over console. The 500 price point is high but likely wont stick around long . I can see Maybe a year before its 400 and a bargain at that price. I was always curious about people saying the S will hold it back since you can still put the game on the S and it will look terrible. That would just make people want the X more
zeopower6
Member
The Pro isn't really marketed aggressively. If people want a PS4 they'll buy a Slim. Like... for this very chart it's like this.
#6 Switch normal color
#9 PS4 Slim bundle
#20 Switch red/blue
#66 Xbox One X
#90 PS4 Pro
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Same thing I was thinking.
This is not news worthy. The real proof of things to come will be in January when sales normalize.
zeopower6
Member
I think it's "news" at first glance but really the chart doesn't really tell us anything. I mean the top 3 spots are all PS Store cards, does that tell us that Sony has dominance? The top 20 alone is like half Sony products.
Nothing wrong with reporting this. It's a fact. People just need to understand how to interpret this properly.
Scrotum Phillips
Member
Too add on to this:
- There's been multiple other sku's of the Pro (Destiny 2 version, one with an extra controller) which don't combine on the sales charts.
- Weirdly, the Pro has been out of stock on Amazon for multiple lengthy periods of time in 2017.
Also, I now see people making claims about the Xbox One S sales...chill on those as well as there's been multiple sku's of that. Really, I would hold off on making any sweeping conclusions regarding console sales on Amazon as they are divided up in a number of different ways.
IF you still want to draw some shoddy conclusions from something completely inexact, here's the monthly sales of when the Pro went on sale, https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2016-09/videogames
and when the Xbox One X went on sale,
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-08/videogames
Obviously a trillion variables at play here, but still both got trounced by Playstation gift cards.
Which it seems like the majority of people aren't interpreting it in any reasonable way on both sides.
Just wait for the newly discovered "analysts" in the NPD threads come this holiday season!
The One X marketing makes it feel like an entirely new Xbox generation.
The Pro has little marketing, and doesn't come off as a "new PlayStation".. just another version of it.
I truly believe it would of benefited Sony to just pass on a mid generation upgrade and waited it about a bit longer to announce the PS5. They would of been in the same position they are now, and would of avoided the "why is there another playstation coming out so soon?" questions if they decide to announce the PS5 next year.
The Pro has little marketing, and doesn't come off as a "new PlayStation".. just another version of it.
I truly believe it would of benefited Sony to just pass on a mid generation upgrade and waited it about a bit longer to announce the PS5. They would of been in the same position they are now, and would of avoided the "why is there another playstation coming out so soon?" questions if they decide to announce the PS5 next year.
JoeyJungle
Banned
Wait, is this list based purely on sales numbers? I just assumed they weighted it by sales activity/price/etc. Also are 3rd party vendors counted at all?
pixelation
Member
The age of the PS4 is over.
EventHorizon
Member
There are three things going on here.
1) The Pro has two SKUs while the XB1X only has one. Here are the Pro SKUs along with their position in the current best sellers list (not 2017 list).
3) The XB1X is getting a boost due to it launching this year. All the enthusiast early adopters are queuing up to preorder vs the PS4 Pro early adopters buying last holiday season. The Pro and the XB1X are premium products specifically targeted towards the enthusiast market, thus both should have sales more front loaded than normal.
As with the release PS4 and XB1, we'll have to wait until the early adopters have been satiated before we can find the base demand. Remember the XB1 hung in there with the PS4 during that first year (although XB1 dropping the Kinect dead weight had a lot to do with that).
1) The Pro has two SKUs while the XB1X only has one. Here are the Pro SKUs along with their position in the current best sellers list (not 2017 list).
- #62: PlayStation 4 Pro 1TB Console
- #132: PlayStation 4 Pro 1TB Console - Destiny 2 Bundle
3) The XB1X is getting a boost due to it launching this year. All the enthusiast early adopters are queuing up to preorder vs the PS4 Pro early adopters buying last holiday season. The Pro and the XB1X are premium products specifically targeted towards the enthusiast market, thus both should have sales more front loaded than normal.
As with the release PS4 and XB1, we'll have to wait until the early adopters have been satiated before we can find the base demand. Remember the XB1 hung in there with the PS4 during that first year (although XB1 dropping the Kinect dead weight had a lot to do with that).
wumster3000
Member
I'm excited for the new Xbox, but man, I can't get behind this. Hopefully you are BSing.
Now this, I can get behind.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Lmao no. There's millions of things PC has that Xbox One X doesn't, this is nowhere near everything PC gaming is
Wasn't Abdiel saying that 85-90% of the preorders at his work were coming from Xbox owners (with similar results in his whole district) ?
I agree, but only because i've always thought Sony should not have made the Pro and just waited till 2019 or 2020 to release PS5. People were not majorly clamoring for a Pro that they needed to invest in something like that and needlessly complicate the market
Good points. Also unknown is the effect of an eventual 50$ slash on PS4 Pro.
This will definitely be interesting to observe. MS is banking on the core fanbase to buy the Xbox X. Since Xbox sales are half of PS4 sales at this point, the percentage of Xbox X owners out of all Xbox owners should be higher than on the PS4 side.
Y'all remember when kinect was the Fastest Selling Consumer Device?
It was beating the Wii. But then it was a very front loaded product.
The prize for looking better than the ugly ass ps4pro is guaranteed tho.
It was beating the Wii. But then it was a very front loaded product.
The prize for looking better than the ugly ass ps4pro is guaranteed tho.
Rellik
Member
Guys like you think you know the demand for UHD discs more than the gigantic movie and blu-ray company Sony, which is hilarious.
There is no demand. There's not even demand for regular blu-ray. Most only care about DVD and streaming.
The Xbox One X will sell to people who want to upgrade their Xbox just like the Pro sells to people upgrading from the jet engine PS4.
If Microsoft is trying to market this as an entirely new Xbox generation, they're failing at that. Console launches top charts just off GP, but the One X isn't. Maybe that changes as we get closer to launch, but I don't think consumers are actually buying that this is anything more than just an Xbox One with better specs.
zeopower6
Member
Generally speaking they are both black boxes.
I mean the Xbox X is the PS2: 2017 Edition design wise, so of course it looks awesome.
RichiRamjag
Member
I really don't know where this theory came from. I get that Sony may understand that the slim is their bread and butter, but I don't think they're purposely trying to downplay the pro.
Things seem to be looking good so far.
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