CarbonFire
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New build.
Something doesn't seem right here, 970 beating the 780ti and the OG Titan, and by not a narrow margin?
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Witcher 3 PC Performance Thread
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Something doesn't seem right here, 970 beating the 780ti and the OG Titan, and by not a narrow margin?
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Oh that's nice; if it delivers "smooth" 30fps, I might go for it and use Hairworks for everything and ramp up the other settings as far as possible too. Hairworks on the monsters looks just so good, I really don't want to miss out on that.
That's with the drivers that were released for TW3 today. Kepler performance is abysmal across the board.
Andy mentions in his guide that tessellation performance on the new cards is much better than in the 700 series. But the benchmarks are mostly without hairworks on.
Something is seriously wrong with Kepler, Nvidia need to better optimize their drivers.
And I'm not alone in thinking this :
http://www.overclock.net/t/1556199/pcgameshardware-witcher-3-benchmarks/10
A 960 toe to toe with a 780 ? I don't buy that.
Felix Lighter
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That is an 11% difference. That isn't really out of line.
UnrealEck
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I wonder what else is tesselated then. I thought they removed tesselation almost completely.
Yeah 1080p.
Tessellation alone can't explain why Kepler cards perform very badly, strangely enough since Maxwell (GM204) has been on the market.
That sends a disastrous message to all Nvidia customers.
Are people really surprised by this? This is the same company that sold 3.5 GB card as 4 GB. I guess this is a way to force people to update to the 900 series.
daninthemix
Member
Interesting also that even low shadows seem to be quite acceptable, compared to the pixelly mess of other games. Might be worth the fps gain of dropping those.
digitalrelic
Banned
LMAO @ people a couple months ago saying that a Titan X, or even a 980 was complete overkill for 1080P and that you're wasting your money if you are buying them for 1080P gaming. Yet here I am with my 980, wishing that the 980Ti was out already so I can play The Witcher 3 @1080P/60FPS locked w/ maxed settings. People are so short sited.
The Cowboy
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That is with the day 1 driver update.
352.86 driver.
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/geforce-352-86-whql-driver-download.html
CarbonFire
Member
Normally if the 780ti isn't outright ahead, it's at least neck-and-neck. The only reason I could think of this happening is some sort of Maxwell-only feature that's being brute-forced on the Kepler cards. And if that's the case, disabling that particular feature (if that is possible) should give a decent framerate boost.
Otherwise, the only other explanation I can think of is some shady upgrade bullshit being pulled by Nvidia.
But Nvidia is the best company of all-time tho.
Palette Swap
Member
On the Maxwell/Kepler issue, I'd wait for a larger array of tests and settings, just to see if some particular effects plough older cars while newer are more resilient. That wouldn't be unheard of, at all,
Has this happened before with nVidia cards? Can't remember if it has, but I really don't remember a previous architecture being as disregarded as Kepler has been.
SixStringPsycho
Member
Hmmm thinking how good will this run with an R9 290x and AMD fx8350 with 16gb of ram.
UnrealEck
Member
That's the impression I'm getting too.
With AMD's new cards and flagship on the horizon, it's not a good time for this. I'll reserve judgement until I'm given a more conclusive impression on what's happening between GM and GK though.
Someone told me that Maxwell is more efficient at compute shaders, so that when a game uses a lot of them, the performance difference between Maxwell and Keppler widens. Same thing happens to Star Citizen as well. Not sure how accurate this is though, I'm not a real expert on GPU architecture.
Nvidia I don't know, but AMD decided anything below 285 cards weren't worthy of downsampling.
For reasons. Because fuck consumers.
My two R9 290s and the reactor powering them are ready...but AMD isn't.
That looks pretty good, are these just cfg tweaks?
The foliage tweaking part of the guide is interesting.
Looks pretty neat:
Same goes for the shadow tweaking section:
Impressive depth Andy!
That looks pretty good, are these just cfg tweaks?
Kepler was always deficient at compute vs Maxwell (as well as vs R9 290s). Not surprised its starting to show in games.
Here's a clearer/more visible Depth of Field comparison: http://international.download.nvidi...field-interactive-comparison-2-on-vs-off.html
The Cowboy
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Its worse than that, cards that are higher than an R9 285 can't use VSR officially. You need certain revisions of cards because reasons, despite the fact that with modified drivers - you can have VSR working just fine on a lot of cards (i have it on my R9 280x).
That's so subtle that I wonder why they even bothered.
Well, I guess if you don't downsample it helps with aliasing-induced distant flickering.
Wait, 280x can't downsample? Didn't it come out *after* the 285? Like, why wouldn't they allow downsampling on the GPU with 1gB more VRAM?
Dreathlock
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After looking at more and more benchmarks i think i will get the PS4 version.
My 780 cant handle it very well obviously.
But i will try it tonight and decide tomorrow. Sadly i already pre-ordered this on steam.
My 780 cant handle it very well obviously.
But i will try it tonight and decide tomorrow. Sadly i already pre-ordered this on steam.RenegadeXV8
Banned
It's honestly no real secret that Kepler has been all but abandoned by Nvidia. In quite a few recent games the 290/290X pulls far ahead of the 780 series.
razgriz417
Member
Great work as usual Andy, man I'm hoping I could get hairworks up and running on my 970 by reducing some of the grass and trees. Hairworks just looks too good to pass up
The 270's and 280's are based off the 7xxx series architecture which doesn't have the hardware to do it in the same way that the 290's and the 285 (based off a newer architecture) do. Last I read, they were looking into an alternate way to make it work for the 270's and 280's but I don't know what happened to it.
Also despite owning a 290x I have 0 interest in downsampling.
The 285 came out after the 280 and 280x, which are basically rebranded 7950 and 7970's. The 285 is based on a newer architecture which is supposedly also the base for the new 390x.
Thank you, more visible indeed. Though I'll try to squeeze in some MasterEffect DoF if it works out performance and injection-wise.
The Cowboy
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The 280x came out before it and is just a modified 7970 ghz edition, despite it actually being faster than a 285 and having 1gb more ram - it isn't officially VSR supported.
You can get around it though, with the below drivers i have VSR on my R9 280x.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=399099
Dio Brando
Banned
Yup. was really surprised when i read that.
The 285 came after, but it's less powerful than the 280X.
See this:
I can downsample just fine with Gedosato (unfortunately it's not built for DX11 games at the moment). AMD is just being fucking assholes, I just remembered this is just like when Nvidia refused to enable DSR on older cards when they first came out with it, although eventually they did it. Hmm, so I guess Nvidia does have a history of screwing over owners of older cards.
nobodyshero
Banned
After looking at more and more benchmarks i think i will get the PS4 version.
My 780 cant handle it very well obviously.
This is all Ultra settings with nvidia enhanced effects and stuff.
Your 780 will outperform either console version easily. After reading through the guide it seems like high is the go to setting for most options.
No way your 780 won't be able to perform better than the PS4 at equivalent settings. (If you can't even push more.)
Any complications from using those modified drivers? I trust Guru3D obviously, but do you have to wait longer than usual for the 280x modded drivers to come out?
Thanks for the link though.
UnrealEck
Member
After looking at more and more benchmarks i think i will get the PS4 version.
My 780 cant handle it very well obviously.
How many times do you need to be told? Or are you deliberately ignoring people?
The settings used are above those of the PS4 version.