crisdecuba
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I'm so happy it worked out this way haha
I'm so happy it worked out this way haha
Since there are so many comparisons between this and First Avenger.
I'm just gonna say the two movies have the completely opposite effect on me.
For Captain America, the first act with the skinny Steve Rogers was heartwarming, inspiring and amazing to watch. The acting by Chris Evans there was top notch. The minute he becomes Cap....for some reason....I just checked out. I guess because I knew how predictable everything was going to be. If you know the comics, you know what he's going to do. It's not like Marvel was going to change much from that. I was barely able to keep my attention and the final confrontation between Red Skull and Cap was pretty disappointing.
For Wonder Woman, that first act was a chore to get through. The child actor, the hammy acting, the stinted dialogue by even great actors. I was wondering if I was being lied to by everyone. I was about to check out. But then....the soldiers attack the island, she goes to man's world. The No Man's Land scene, the gas scene, the dancing scene, the kiss, the final scene with Steve. There were so many emotional moments and Gal really pulled it off. Yes, there were still cheesy and cringe-fests sprinkled in. But the highs were among some of the best in any CMB movie.
I guess having Wonder Woman not knowing anything about war, being naive, and having a great partner in Steve Rogers really sold it for me. Whereas Steve Rogers obviously just wanted to fight and win, a lackluster Bucky, and a barely recognizable romance with Agent Carter didn't.
End credits sequence is now online in 1080p
http://batman-news.com/2017/06/21/wonder-womans-end-credits-sequence-video/
Sheesh. This is a better captain America the first avenger movie. Everything that movie should have been.
Only if The First Avenger was supposed to have a terrible third act.
It did have a terrible third act.Only if The First Avenger was supposed to have a terrible third act.
Only if The First Avenger was supposed to have a terrible third act.
Wonder Woman hit higher highs than The First Avenger but was overall a lot less consistent. Wonder Woman bounces from so-so to amazing to absolutely dreadful. Once The First Avenger gets going, it stays pretty consistently solid throughout. You could argue that the back half is worse than the first but I think the assault on the HYDRA base and Steve's sacrifice both did the job.
Like, at no point does it hit the concrete floor of "hulking CGI monster with goofy mustache starts Magento-ing shit everywhere."
A comic book movie with terrible action is the bottom of the barrel for me. And like i said, I will never forgive the fight montage scene.
Once TFA gets going, they montage all the potentially cool action and settle into a surprisingly boring latter half of the movie.Wonder Woman hit higher highs than The First Avenger but was overall a lot less consistent. Wonder Woman bounces from so-so to amazing to absolutely dreadful. Once The First Avenger gets going, it stays pretty consistently solid throughout. You could argue that the back half is worse than the first but I think the assault on the HYDRA base and Steve's sacrifice both did the job.
Like, at no point does it hit the concrete floor of "hulking CGI monster with goofy mustache starts Magento-ing shit everywhere."
Watched it last night, the humour was great and the action scenes were top notch.
Why oh why with that fucking forced romance though seriously. She literally falls in love with the first man she meets. There is a literal trope about this.
It was completely unnecessary in an otherwise empowering film.
It's like they said "let's be feminist but not TOO feminist"
When asked about whether or not the romance between Steve and Diana was essential or if there was a version where they were platonic:
As for the romance, yes I thought it was absolutely necessary. I think that all of the great epic classic films that I was basing the movie on had that as an integral part of them, and I wanted Dianas story to have EVERYTHING no lesser than any other superhero. Its not about her needing anybody, its about her deserving someone amazing.
You mean the third act with the fight montage was amazing? Please.
*refer to no man's land scene to see how a war movie can be done*
If that's all you got out of the final act of the movie then I don't know what to tell you. But yes, even just comparing like for like, I'll take that over the action in the final act of TFA.As oppposed to this ?
If that's all you got out of the final act of the movie then I don't know what to tell you. But yes, even just comparing like for like, I'll take that over the action in the final act of TFA.
fair enough. I'll accept my comment being rejected cuz I was referring to the third act of TFA as a whole.Simply being as reductive as those calling TFA's a montage, and lol, edited out as I didn't want to generalise my reply to all.
And the No Man's Land scene is the gold standard for war movies now ? Lol, I'll just wait for the new superhero movie hype to go down.
Wonder Woman hit higher highs than The First Avenger but was overall a lot less consistent. Wonder Woman bounces from so-so to amazing to absolutely dreadful. Once The First Avenger gets going, it stays pretty consistently solid throughout. You could argue that the back half is worse than the first but I think the assault on the HYDRA base and Steve's sacrifice both did the job.
Once TFA gets going, they montage all the potentially cool action and settle into a surprisingly boring latter half of the movie.
Wonder Woman also hit all the emotional notes right.
Nah. Steve and Peggy trying to have a casual conversation over the radio until the line goes silent? Understated and moving. Diana watching Steve's plane explode, hulking out, and punching through a bunch of mooks? Overwrought and silly.
Nah. Steve and Peggy trying to have a casual conversation over the radio until the line goes silent? Understated and moving. Diana watching Steve's plane explode, hulking out, and punching through a bunch of mooks? Overwrought and silly.
The village/dance scene hits the right notes, but otherwise I didn't "feel" anything throughout the movie. Logan and GOTG2 were both significantly more satisfying on an emotional level.
Diana and Trevor were together throughout the whole movie. I don't think they spent a minute apart after they met.
Steve and Peggy wasn't. They didn't have more than a few scenes together....so what does it matter about their conversation at the end?
Cap's sacrifice on the plane, including his interaction with Peggy, works well enough but his performance in that scene is such a one-note "slight grimace face" that it fell flat for me. Peggy showed decent emotion, but a bit too understated. I would have preferred seeing her struggle a bit more to carry on the casual conversation (I'm reminded of Bryan Cranston's performance in the Ozymandius episode of BB, where his voice conveys one emotion while his facial expressions convey the emotions he's fighting against).Nah. Steve and Peggy trying to have a casual conversation over the radio until the line goes silent? Understated and moving. Diana watching Steve's plane explode, hulking out, and punching through a bunch of mooks? Overwrought and silly.
I struggle to imagine a person whose first love (you reduce it to boyfriend, but that's certainly underselling the only real romantic emotional and sexual relationship of her life with a man whose convictictions she's come to admire, especially in his final choice to sacrifice himself, which convinces her to have hope for mankind) -- I struggle to imagine a person who doesn't respond similarly to the sudden death of their first love.But I don't buy Diana's. "My boyfriend died so now I'm gonna tear apart the German army with my godlike powers" is not an emotional response I connect to.
In general I didn't like the Diana/Steve romance. Two fine characters alone but their chemistry just didn't show for me - he talks down to her like a child, she shows him the same universal sort of love she shows to random soldiers, displaced villagers, and ice cream salesmen.
NAILED IT!The ending of WW is fairly sloppy in execution -- the fact that everyone is talking about the superficial aspects of WW's ending (CGI, silly looking Ares) is testament to that. But the actual story and character beats of the ending are solid, paying off everything that came before it.
Sounds like you let your expectations get too high. The movie succeeds on the strength of the relationships, the optimism and idealism of the main character, and on a straightforward story with clear themes that pay off. It's not the best superhero movie ever (not sure why you would latch onto the most extreme praise), but it's enjoyable, earnest, and touching.I just came out of the cinema (it was just released today here in Spain) and I really don't get the hype behind this. It was OK.
CG effects were pretty mediocre, Ares was just ridiculous (dat moustache), and the supporting characters were completely unnecessary. I think the film starts strong but gets progressively worse as it goes along.
I can't remember where I read/heard something along the lines of 'this is the best superhero movie yet' but man, I can't disagree more.
If anyone gave a damn about a random internet person's opinion and I had to score it I would give it a 6.8.
Sounds like you let your expectations get too high. The movie succeeds on the strength of the relationships, the optimism and idealism of the main character, and on a straightforward story with clear themes that pay off. It's not the best superhero movie ever (not sure why you would latch onto the most extreme praise), but it's enjoyable, earnest, and touching.
You're misreading the ending. As Ignatz mentioned earlier, "she's as much moved by his sacrifice than by personal feelings. And she doesn't Hulk out for "revenge" when he dies-- she does so because his sacrifice has convinced her that humanity is worth fighting for."But the relationships... aren't that strong. That ending 'oh no, my boyfriend who I've known for like a week just died!' literally made me laugh (and I don't think it was supposed to).
I don't think I latch into the praise, I wasn't expecting 'the best superhero movie yet', I was just surprised anyone would say that, but hey, that's opinions for ya.
I mean, it's not a bad film. I just found it to be completely average in almost every aspect. I really doubt I will remember this in a couple years time.
You're misreading the ending. As Ignatz mentioned earlier, "she's as much moved by his sacrifice than by personal feelings. And she doesn't Hulk out for "revenge" when he dies-- she does so because his sacrifice has convinced her that humanity is worth fighting for."
As for the chemistry and relationship between Gadot and Pine, that's certainly a matter of opinion, though you'd be in the minority on this one.
Not so much passionate (I think it's a 7.5-8) as I simply disagree with your perspective. I don't think it says a lot about the scene that it fell flat for you because you weren't understanding the scene. And it's not just Steve's sacrifice - the film makes it a point to show her taking in the actions of the other men as well and seeing how they're willing to fight despite it being futile. Combine that with her sense of loss re: Trevor and you have some who's decided to fight, and she fights the people trying to carry out the gas bombing. And for what it's worth, I don't think highly at all of the FF, transformers, and pirates series, and I was still very much sold on the relationship between Diana and Trevor.I'm happy to see you're so passionate about this film. I think it says a lot about the scene how, even with that supposed extra layer of emotion, it still manages to fall flat. Sure, it's a matter of opinion and I very well may be in the minority (although I LOL at putting any value in what the majority considers good when we've had like 10 Fast and Furious, Transformers, and Pirates of the Caribbean films because people still gobble them up).
Also, I find it funny how Steve's sacrifice convinces Diana humanity is worth fighting for but then she immediately proceeds to maul a dozen German soldiers before confronting Ares.
Chemistry between the actors was there sure, it's just brought down by a mediocre script in my opinion.
But who knows, maybe I'm not smart enough to understand all the hidden complexities in this film.
But the relationships... aren't that strong. That ending 'oh no, my boyfriend who I've known for like a week just died!' literally made me laugh (and I don't think it was supposed to).
I don't think I latch into the praise, I wasn't expecting 'the best superhero movie yet', I was just surprised anyone would say that, but hey, that's opinions for ya.
I mean, it's not a bad film. I just found it to be completely average in almost every aspect. I really doubt I will remember this in a couple years time.
Watched it after the stellar reviews (as I promised).
It was a bit disappointing after the hype, it was good, but not great.
Easily the best DCU movie, but well, that is a goddamn low bar.
I wonder how many more people are going to say this word for word like it's impossible to just say WW was good and leave it at that. The way this is worded it comes off as WW isn't good its just the best looking shit in a pile of shit.
Finally watched this.
I don't understand the absurd hate for the third act. It doesn't feel out of place at all and it's executed in a great way. It's not as CGI bloated as I was expecting nor is it even long. The real horrible act is the first.
It's so mediocre it almost destroyed the whole film for me. It's cheesy, it's hammy and has a weird tone that doesn't fit the rest of the movie. They should've cut that shit altogether or make it half the length, the movie takes a lot to get rolling.