frankie_baby
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The way things are going they'll be lucky to sell 1.9 million in Japan
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Worldwide Vita Sales Revealed in Sony Earnings Call (1.8 million)
- Thread starter Deadly Cyclone
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The way things are going they'll be lucky to sell 1.9 million in Japan
Wow, that is low ...
And here is the problem I have with the portable space. Why on earth do you want the console experience on a portable? Treat it as an independent platform and make games that exploit its strong sides.
This happens too much today. If I had a Vita I would not want any of those titles. Make new IP's and be creative. Don't make games that make money in the short run. *sigh*
And here is the problem I have with the portable space. Why on earth do you want the console experience on a portable? Treat it as an independent platform and make games that exploit its strong sides.
This happens too much today. If I had a Vita I would not want any of those titles. Make new IP's and be creative. Don't make games that make money in the short run. *sigh*
H_Prestige
Banned
Why would somebody buy a Vita phone instead of an Android smartphone?
shinra-bansho
Member
In all likelihood it's a shipment through to March 31st, since it's an earnings call.
Although, on further inspection it could be an estimation of sell-through to-date. Through the first 13 weeks of the year PSV LTD was ~1.45M. Add in another 50K for Weeks 14-18 Japan brings it to 1.5M. Depends on whether it's plausible to have sold through another 0.3M in US+EU for April and in other regions since launch.
AgentOtaku
Member
Honestly, this is the only language the masses understand
see 3DS, HP Tablets, blu-ray players, PS3s, etc.
I should clarify, if Sony wants to compete on the mobile phone front, using their portable gaming platform as a trojan horse to that end isn't the way to go about it. Apple is about 15 steps ahead of them anyway. The Vita isn't an acceptable tentpole to build a mobile market around. No gamig platform is.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
How to save vita:
announce this:
The Vita was dead the very moment Sony decided not to money hat the fuck out of Capcom, with MH on the 3DS it's too late.
UncleSporky
Member
Just for kicks why don't you combine Q3 and Q4 for the 3DS for him as well as see what happens
Whatever Sony's using with the 1.8 million.
But I can see from the figures thrown around that the Vita could be doing better. Oh well, there's still time to turn it around.
Love my Vita but yeah it needs some more games ATM. I'm totally satisfied with MLB, Disgea 3 and MK though.
3DS needs more games also....done with everything that interests me. Waiting on Mario Tennis now. The biggest difference is we know some awesome 3DS games are coming but we know nothing about big ViTA games they have planned. I hope E3 is big this year for the VITA
3DS needs more games also....done with everything that interests me. Waiting on Mario Tennis now. The biggest difference is we know some awesome 3DS games are coming but we know nothing about big ViTA games they have planned. I hope E3 is big this year for the VITA
Ok, so from Nintendo graphs, as extrapolated by Road
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37329128
Handhelds
EU US JP YTD
3DS 0.60 0.65 1.24 2.49
PSV 0.38 0.43 0.20 1.01
PSP 0.35 0.09 0.27 0.71
NDS 0.25 0.30 0.03 0.58
Adding what it did in Japan at the end of 2011 (440k), we have around 1.45 millions in Japan, Europe and US till the end of March.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37329128
Handhelds
EU US JP YTD
3DS 0.60 0.65 1.24 2.49
PSV 0.38 0.43 0.20 1.01
PSP 0.35 0.09 0.27 0.71
NDS 0.25 0.30 0.03 0.58
Adding what it did in Japan at the end of 2011 (440k), we have around 1.45 millions in Japan, Europe and US till the end of March.
shinra-bansho
Member
The 3DS launch shipment was double the PSV.
The equivalent timeframe launch sell-through was about 50-60% more. But the PSV had the benefit of the holiday season in Japan.
OldJadedGamer
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The system is incomplete without a memory card to load some games so that must be included.
I bought my Vita just for The Show.
For me it was worth $320 (Vita, 8GB, TS) JUST to be able to take it into the field on my job. I travel out of town nearly every day of the week and it's like carrying a real console with me. The excellent port of MK has made it even better.
I honestly don't care a lot for many of Sony's first party games, but the Vita is awesome hardware. Worth every penny or more to me. I hope it does really well.
For me it was worth $320 (Vita, 8GB, TS) JUST to be able to take it into the field on my job. I travel out of town nearly every day of the week and it's like carrying a real console with me. The excellent port of MK has made it even better.
I honestly don't care a lot for many of Sony's first party games, but the Vita is awesome hardware. Worth every penny or more to me. I hope it does really well.
frankie_baby
Member
Monster hunter really wouldn't help that much in japan now, why would anyone buy a vita for . Mh when mh isavailable on a cheaper more successful system that already has a sizeable chunk of the mh userbase
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Pretty bad numbers - but the Vita needs games lol.
I'm a potential buyer, I like the hardware ... I'm just waiting to have more than one reason (Persona 4 The Golden) to pick one up, I'm not interested in anything else on the platform at the moment.
I hope E3 changes things, because the Vita is a nice machine.
I'm a potential buyer, I like the hardware ... I'm just waiting to have more than one reason (Persona 4 The Golden) to pick one up, I'm not interested in anything else on the platform at the moment.
I hope E3 changes things, because the Vita is a nice machine.
This is...a slow, slow burn. But I believe in my Vita- my beautiful, glossy, wide-screen adonis, but where was I?
Given time, the software will eventually make the system itself pick up speed and at that time, nothing will be able to stop it from exploding. Except maybe if it dies before then...
Given time, the software will eventually make the system itself pick up speed and at that time, nothing will be able to stop it from exploding. Except maybe if it dies before then...
With 60K in Japan and about 200K in US based on NPD, VITA is selling very well in Europe.
1.8M sell-in and 1.45M sell-through sounds about right.
3DS has sold 2.3m in Japan alone over the same time frame..
Yeah, I knew it was struggling, but 1.8M is shockingly low.
That reminds me, Road also did some pixel counting with Nintendo's FY 2010/11 charts (link)
3.61M sell-in and 1.64 sell-through for 3DS :lol.
3.61M sell-in and 1.64 sell-through for 3DS :lol.
I think you missed his first tweet:
Would 'Vita's March Performance' include the EU and US launches, though? I don't think it'll include the launch itself, but the immediate aftermath, is that correct?
MightyHedgehog
Member
Worst major platform launch since the Virtual Boy and Sega Saturn? Looks that way. A Vita phone is about the only way to salvage this mess, but not until they throw hundreds of millions to billions more away trying to fill up that bottomless hole they've built themselves.
frankie_baby
Member
For a month of sales in Japan and a week in the rest if the world
Hmm, someone tweet and ask him why he's multiplying Vita's March performance by 3...
Yeah that's true. Considering the time frame, 3DS launch sales were alright. Just trying to illustrate an overshipment vs. a proper shipment.
frankie_baby
Member
And just how is the vita march performance 600k ?
I'm not a sales guy personally so I won't discuss that aspect, but as a customer who bought the Vita I purchased it for the exact purpose of having console quality games on a handheld. I would buy COD, GTA, and the like on a handheld so that i'm not straped to a couch, or desk. Overall it's a better fit for my lifestyle to have a high quality mobile platform for my games.
The Vita imo, if the only platform currently that allows for this. So hopefully Sony can turn it around and make it successful enough that developers will support it.
Sony claimed 1.2M at the end of February, and now 1.8M at the end of March?
I read the Eurogamer article and I'm kinda confused. These numbers ... what is going on.
UncleSporky
Member
Oh you're right, I did. I literally just joined Twitter to tell him, new to it.
frankie_baby
Member
so shipped number end of march minus sony's incredibly dodgy dont add up estimate for end of feb
right
Oh wait, now I understand what the Eurogamer guy is getting at. He's saying if Vita continues to sell 600k a month, it will sell 1.8M per quarter, and 7.2M in the year, and that's far from Sony's projection.
It's just that the line "Extrapolated, that's 1.8 million Vita sales a quarter, which isn't bad" is really jarring. Didn't make any sense until I read the article a second time.
Also, he's not comparing the 1.8M FY Vita shipment to the 2M Q1 3DS shipment. He made up this 1.8M per quarter number as a theoretical scenario. What a mess.
It's just that the line "Extrapolated, that's 1.8 million Vita sales a quarter, which isn't bad" is really jarring. Didn't make any sense until I read the article a second time.
Also, he's not comparing the 1.8M FY Vita shipment to the 2M Q1 3DS shipment. He made up this 1.8M per quarter number as a theoretical scenario. What a mess.
Sales might have been alright, but were well below expectations, hence the huge difference between shipments and sell-through. (We all know what happened after the 3DS launch. No need to retell the story.)
With the Vita, everyone knew it would be already dead, so shipments weren't even that high in the first place.
UncleSporky
Member
So...it's mostly confusing because according to the call, it's sold 1.8M so far, but he also predicts it will sell 1.8M every quarter based on one month's performance.
But yeah, if your brand new product that had a Christmas in one major territory only sold 1.8M in about one quarter, how can you expect it to keep that up? Launches are pretty front loaded, right? I guess E3 better be a really big deal for them.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Of course, I didn't say Sony should use Vita as the sole competitor to Apple or Samsung, just in addition to their Xperia line which seems to be seeing more success lately and there has been a lot of buzz around the Xperia GX/SX.
Personally I would make the Vita Phone an Android+Vita device so that it could run all Vita games and have access to the Google Play market. Give it a shit load of RAM so that VitaOS App could go into an instantaneous save state etc...
It sounds convoluted, but it would work as Vita operations would be sandboxed within Android and eventually, if it is popular, Sony could roll out the "Vita App" to all of their compatible Android devices with sufficient power including tablets, TVs and PMPs.
Vita should be something that unites Sony's products and services, but the way in which it has launched makes it unlikely now.
CrunchyFrog
Member
The handheld gap is going to be even more ridiculous than it was last gen. As someone put it best earlier in the thread, clearly sony does not have the pulse of the handheld market.
so instead of 60% 3DS number, he can say it's doing almost as well as 3DS... got it!
EDIT: saw Kazerei's explanation for the number and the way he does it doesn't make any sense at all.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Clearly, their handheld has no pulse.
That and the "extrapolated" line comes out of fucking nowhere. I didn't realize he was talking about a theoretical scenario until later in the article.