Napalm_Frank
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Kingdom Hearts has a few of these, worst one being retconning Aqua in 0.2 to the ending of KH1. It doesn't make much sense and there was no need for such a stupid connection between the games.
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Worst "He was there all along" Retcons
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Funyarinpa
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The issue with ZTD's twist isn't so much that it's not foreshadowed rather than the fact that it's there for the "Gotcha!" factor only, and makes for a shitty explanation alongside everything else in the true ending. 999 and VLR's twists were similarly telegraphed but they fit into the overall narrative and had some meaning besides trying to pull the player's leg.
SatoAilDarko
Member
He was only pretending in 4. He was actually starting to get possessed in 2 which is why he removed and replaced the arm.
It's not a recon because it doesn't change what happened in 2.
Guess I need to post this again since there are some people who seem to have already forgotten after 2 page. Wow, how the mind slips!
"Allegedly"
Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.
You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM
Also:
SomedayTheFire
Member
Wtf this is hilarious
SatoAilDarko
Member
Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch was a expanded remake of the DS game Ni no Kuni: Dominion of the Dark Djinn. On top of upgraded visuals and a new battle system to compensate for scrapping the entire hook of the game, it also expands the story by adding a new antagonist. Level 5's brilliant idea to integrate the titular White Witch was to cut to the League Of Villains between all significant events in the game, and do roughly the same scene again and again and again:
'The boy is coming closer and our previous plan failed, but it matters not, arrangements have been made to stop him in this tracks. This new henchman will surely dispose of him.'
Just a lot of that. It feels entirely pointless and forced in, and only sets up their new villain in the lamest, most incompetent way. Like the OPs title said, 'she was there all along, I promise!" Ni no Kuni's remake suffers from poorly integrated content in general, so it's impressive that these new scenes still manage to stand out. I guess it's easy to spot since there's so much repetitiveness in the cutscenes.
I'm excited to play the fan translation of the DS game when it comes out before the PS3 game to see the differences.
MAtgS
Member
This was a forgone conclusion though. The only way to even have Disney Worlds in a game set in the Dark Realm was if it were the destroyed worlds that got restored at the end of KH1. Otherwise its just 1 basic landscape. Mcikey wasn't getting his own campaign (maybe that would've happened in BBSv2) so the tale of his retrieving the reverse Keyblade had to happen in Aqua's.
Napalm_Frank
Member
The literal end to KH1 didn't need to be a part of the game, much less with Aqua running in there and Riku not supposedly realizing there is a loud monster tornado like 15 meters away from him. They could just as well have Mickey retrieve the keyblade and then do the final boss that separates them with Aqua never being inserted to the KH1 scene.
SJRB
Gold Member
By far the most bizarre retcon I've ever encountered and I hate MGSV for this.
The entire concept of this retcon is so utterly ridiculous and leads to such a throwaway plot twist in V that all it accomplishes is that it sullies the legend of BB's accomplishments in MGS3 while at the same time cheapening both BB's and Skull Face's character. This twist makes no sense to anyone who actually played MGS3. Not sure what Kojima was thinking with this one. But to be fair, when it comes to MGSV narrative and plot he probably wasn't thinking a whole lot. If any.
Fucking absurd.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Came here for this. 100% trash. Just awful, awful, awful.
Spieler Eins
Member
WESKER WASN'T DEAD HE PLANNED EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED
Spieler Eins
Member
Time to lower the expectations quite a bit going into the final game.
I'm 90% sure the bolded is how it's actually described.
Not that Skull Face was 'following Snake about' but that the were way further behind him cleaning everything up.
I just realized the particles on her waving hand stick around long enough for the trail to look like she's flipping the bird.
Wait, what? Are you talking about Skullface or the Venom twist? There wasn't any twist to do with Skullface, barring the 'he was clean-up on Snake Eater' which isn't a twist, just backstory.
These things basically aren't connected at all. And none of it 'cheapens' MGS3 or the characters in any way. Skull Face's lameness notwithstanding.
One of the worst and best retcons of all time
Gonna have to agree with Zero Time Dilemma. Don't get me wrong, unlike a lot of people I liked the game and thought it was an ok end to the trilogy, but come on dude. Then even after the reveal there was some stuff that was annoying about it.
Wasn't the dude literally like 130 years old or something? Did they ever bother explaining how he was alive in the first place?
Kanhir
Member
Genesis being retconned into key moments of Final Fantasy VII.
IIRC Genesis wasn't involved in the Nibelheim incident, so he wasn't present for any of the parts of the story shown in FF7 as flashbacks. So he was more like additional backstory around the existing plots rather than being retconned in.
My bigger issue with the Compilation as a whole is retconning the Turks to be affable guys who were on the wrong side, rather than the dicks they were in FFVII.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
Have you seen the Complete Cut of Advent Children?
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I actually quite liked ZTD until the it started getting towards it's conclusion. I remember posting in the OT or maybe the community thread about how
was stupid, and was told that I was an idiot, and that the game sets it up perfectly if you're observant enough.
It doesn't.
introducing Delta
It doesn't.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
How does it not make sense? Skull Face was on site with his team cleaning up Naked Snake's mess. You don't have to see him or know about him, he's doing work that you had zero idea about. It's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Also, the idea of it sullying BB's accomplishments is the entire point. Pretty everything in MGSV is aimed at devaluing Naked Snake's individual legendary status. The legend of Big Boss became greater than BB himself. It ties in with the story elements introduced in MGS4.
MAtgS
Member
The black bars, they tempt me so.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
He does. Right after Sephiroth discovered the mutated creatures within the pods inside Nibelheim Mako Reacor, Genesis actually appeared and taunted Sephiroth, calling him "monster" and stuff.
Graphics Horse
Member
Someone had to place all those Kerotan
Human Trashcan
Banned
Blofeld in SPECTRE. What a shit movie.
In games? Idk.
In games? Idk.
purseowner
Member
Zero Ti-
-Thank you GAF.
-Thank you GAF.
I'm pretty sure that's what we were actually meant to take back from that, but it wasn't explained well making people think Skull Face was literally right behind Big Boss every step of the way lol
Nothing is more repulsive than Nate's brother he neglected to mention over 4 games.
Actually I'll take this one step further -
Nate's mother - who was just a suicide in 3 - being the famous archaeological assistant of a famous archaeologist who mapped out all of Nate's hunts for antiquities. Absolutely stripped him of any agency and made him a fated figure rather than a competent rogue. So dumb.
She was there all along.
Lol, what is this?
Human Trashcan
Banned
Don't get the complaints over Skullface. It's an explicit part of his character that he and XOF are invisible. They're the cleanup crew.
Same with Sam from Uncharted 4. It was a bad memory for Nate and he was in prison the whole time. Also lambasting UC4 for its writing when 3 exists seems misguided.
Same with Sam from Uncharted 4. It was a bad memory for Nate and he was in prison the whole time. Also lambasting UC4 for its writing when 3 exists seems misguided.
Dr. Carroll
Banned
The wonderful, underrated 2011 Puss in Boots by Dreamworks. Guillermo del Toro worked on it, and unfortunately the sequel got tangled up when Dreamworks was "restructured" in 2015. It might still be in development, though.
MAtgS
Member
I think of Genesis as a precieved parody of fanfic characters. Sephiroth recolor do not steal OC. Treats pretentious purple prose as gospel and gets into his own fan theories about it like a KH fan. Retconned into famous scenes and making those all about him.
Ugh, hope he doesn't appear in the remake.
chrishackwood
Member
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.
Sho's origin as one of Ikutsuki's pet projects is fine and doesn't really contradict anything, and I GUESS I can buy that the hospital he was sent to was in Inaba. But the revelation that he was watching the Investigation Team the whole time from the sidelines during Persona 4 was just stupid.
3 exists to explore the paternal relationship between Nate and Sully; explore a rocky martial patch between Nate and Elena; bid adieu to peripheral figures like Chloe while introducing new companions like Cutter; introduce nuance such as unanswered questions about how an American child became a Colombian urchin; bookend the series with the same trio of characters and plane as it had begun.
4 undoes the Sully relationship by shoehorning Nate's family of antiquity hunters in who set up his previous adventures for him; re-explores Nate and Elena's rocky marriage while adding nothing; doesn't touch on peripheral cast members like Chloe until a DLG; answers every question laid out will full spoken exposition which is immensely unsatisfying; finishes the series with an epilogue that is also much too explocit (and furthers the silly "family of archaeologists" theme).
4 was originally dark. It was Hennig's exploration of "Nate didn't mention this guy because Nate has some skeletons in his closet." Drux and Stly significantly altered the tone (and cast) and made a much prettier, better playing, but narratively clumsier Uncharted 3.
MAtgS
Member
The falling out with the musician that his likeness is based kills that possibility.
Azure Phoenix
Member
Do yourself a favour - finish Virtue's Last Reward and then pretend that the series tragically never got a conclusion. Literally any Deviantart tier fanfiction that you can think up to finish the story would be a step up from ZTD.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
As amusing as Skullface being there in the background is, that was never implied... it always meant he was there in the clean up, making it so Big Boss could do what he needed to do while someone else cleaned up his mess... you know, like how Big Boss could do what he needed to do while someone like Venom cleaned up his mess?
Completely agree. Bond doesn't need a Moriarty who has an anti-Bond organization and commands all the criminals.
It tarnished Skyfall that Blofeld set up that criminal, and that movie was a probably my second favorite Batman movie after Dark Knight and before Mask of the Phantasm.
It has some of the best moments in the series, especially Diantha's side. I think it was great up until the last few hours, when it completely drops the ball. It's worth playing if you liked the other two games.
ThLunarian
Member
Rinoa was Ultimecia
Wasn't that a theory that the ultimania deconfirmed?
psychowave
Member
As bad as the ZTD thing was, I don't think it counts as a "retcon".
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