No I think it's because Vince is so stuck in his ways trying to make Reigns look something he's not that he will keep pushing him no matter how bad he is.
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WrestleMania 33 Week |OT| The Ride Never Ends.
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cartoon_soldier
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Oh wow, I did not realize Smackdown was so badly beating Raw
http://411mania.com/wrestling/john-...t-advertised-for-smackdown-post-wrestlemania/
Cena is so essential to WWE's house shows.
http://411mania.com/wrestling/john-...t-advertised-for-smackdown-post-wrestlemania/
Cena is so essential to WWE's house shows.
Yeah, he was amazing calling him just good is a insult.
Yep. It's nice to see him have success outside of a in-ring role.
Keyser Soze
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For good reason.
If things are truly better now, I lack faith they will stay that way. History repeats itself.
As long as gimmick posters and people with an agenda exists, many threads on this forum will not be fun. It is not just a wrestling thing.
There are awesome people on this forum, and great people in the wrestling thread, but there is so much bullshit from certain corners it makes it hard to enjoy the good parts.
StalkerUKCG
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Even before the roster split and Cena wasn't doing house shows at the time, Ambrose's house shows were doing just as good as Reigns' house shows.
Jmanunknown
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This is the same company that was gonna have Batista vs Orton at Wrestlemania 30 as the main event despite Bryan being the most over superstar they had in years. It took CM Punk walking out on the company and the fans literally hijacking shows with Daniel Bryan chants to get him even close to the mainevent. If not for CM Punk walking out Bryan would have most likely faced sheamus on the pre-show. So yes they're stubborn and will gladly promote a disaster to stick it to fans.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
People pay more to see Ambrose but the crowd is dead for every Ambrose match. I need some clarity on this.
I avoid the monthly thread, the cynicism is deep in there.
I avoid the monthly thread, the cynicism is deep in there.
its really not. and compared to what the monthly thread was a year or two ago its miles better
StalkerUKCG
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I watched a Big Show interview today where he said Cena is insanely a company man, 100% committed to the brand. Also said he was the strongest guy to ever lift him. Which I found insane.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Im getting worked, then
I'm pretty sure Cena lifted Big Show at his heaviest. Not to mention Cena carried Big Show and Edge at the same time.
So it's pretty believable.
Cena is the biggest star in the company
Cena is crazy strong so yeah, I could believe this.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Back in the day the message was "kids like Cena" Well its been like 7 or 8 years so those 9-10 year old kids are now adults and pay to see their childhood hero, makes sense.
StalkerUKCG
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Oh sure I know that but just with Big Show being in the game a long time I'd have expected others to be close to him but the way big show told it Cena was crazy strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEh1pvGTkA
That's the interview, It's a good watch.
Uno Venova
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If the ratings are any indication that's exactly what's happening.
bean breath
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Honestly, yes. Vince is pretty stubborn and likes getting his way.
HazySaiyan
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Yes? You do know which company we're talking about here?
Wait, I thought Raw and SmackDown Live pulled 10-15k each?
Coming from someone who has a habit of drive-by insulting other posters. OK.
I stopped watching Wyatt promos quite quickly because of this. He's a master of talking about nothing and making it sound like something.
All I'll say is that is if this is truly the direction they want, then they need to start commiting. Because right now, 90% of their product is booked with the traditional face/heel dynamic. Even Kevin Owens, who wants a mixed reaction, is working 100% pure heel right now. Even HHH, who is an executive in the company and the latest to push the "meta-heel" narrative, just worked a match where he was 100% the heel. Not to mention that his baby, NXT, is about as close to an old school wrestling promotion as you can get under the current WWE structure, and that includes traditional faces and heels.
Again, speaking personally and not commenting on the fanbase(s) at large, I think it could be an interesting direction. It could be fun. I'm not convinced it's working 100% currently (merch sales and loud reactions are nice, but I'm sure they'd like it if Roman were also popping ratings, increasing network subs, etc), but I could be turned. My issue is that when all but a very select few of your performers are working under the old rules, it creates a dissonance in the product. It makes the whole narative seem like an excuse for Roman/Cena/whoever else at best, and like the company is without an overarching vision at worst.
Dick Justice
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Are you trying to assign logic to the mind of Vince McMahon, a 70 year old nutcase who's well known for trying to shove his godawful ideas down audiences' throats, and who thought that "Chilly McFreeze" would've been a good name for Stone Cold?
Not trying to hate Dream, but almost every post that you have made in here is negative about one thing or another.
I think it may be the root of the reactions that come.
People are in the wrasslegaf thread to have fun.
When someone is just constantly shitting or droning on about this sucks that sucks, he sucks.
Perhaps it is perception and that is not the way you are intending it, but it is there.
I agree with this.
A long promo should be saved for something huge, and a good talker should be able to take care of business quickly.
Dick Justice
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Ratings are down. Attendance is down. He's a distant second place in merch to a guy who's not even going to be on TV until Thanksgiving. His character is mishandled. His character has no real identity. Despite being booked as a face he's getting booed at most live TV shows. His two WrestleMania main events are considered some of the worst main events in the history of the event.
Maybe we'll just agree to disagree saying his career path is working.
His match vs. Triple H was fine, nowhere near one of the worst Wrestlemania main events.
And his match with Brock is one of the BEST Wrestlemania main events, so it all evens out in the end.
Are you trying to assign logic to the mind of Vince McMahon, a 70 year old nutcase who's well known for trying to shove his godawful ideas down audiences' throats, and who thought that "Chilly McFreeze" would've been a good name for Stone Cold?
Vince McMahon was convinced to hire Gail Kim based on the idea that there is Asian porn, a concept that had before then been unknown to him.
Vince McMahon actively encourages his employees to pick fights with him. If Chris Jericho is to be believed, he didn't respect Kofi Kingston until Kofi stepped to him on an airplane.
Vince McMahon tried to push the XFL as a legit competitor to the NFL before he had any players, teams, a ruleset, or coaches.
Vince McMahon wanted to name The New Day "Fresh Coat of Paint."
Vince McMahon, upon hearing that his daughter was pregnant, seriously suggested that they do a storyline wherein he was revealed to be the father. When Stephanie said no - because what the fuck - he suggested the story be done with her brother instead.
Vince McMahon is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Also, he got worked like a big mark by Brock losing to Cena in 2012. I'll always remember that amusement.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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DB from like fall 2012 until his WM main event was one of the better wrestlers ever to be that high on the card in the company, but promo-wise, he was a way better heel than face.
Dick Justice
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Well yeah. WWE manufactures the fuck out of their babyfaces. It's pretty clear that heels get more room to breathe in terms of promos. They always come across as more natural/likeable/entertaining.
Tom Nook
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LOL. This gif will put in good use.
Freezasaurus
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Was Mae Young giving birth to a hand Vince's idea too?
Of course.
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Dr Duncan Steel
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The times of Lambda, Bionic, and to a lesser extent Stro are behind us.
And I kinda miss it tbqh
Gunstarheroes
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Just to save me some time so i can keep playing Persona 5: Whats the honest chance Nakamura is coming tonight? If the odds are high enough, i'm willing to sacrifice a couple hours, but if its pretty much nil at this point, i'd rather just play Persona.
TimeEffect
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U guys are all a giant clique. Jobbers like me have been stuck in the undercard for too long
TimeEffect
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Will i enjoy persona as a wrestling fan?
Pop-O-Matic
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NeoGAF Vince McMahon returns in August, so things will get
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