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[X360] 14 Mass Effect screens in 720p
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It would seem that there's quite a difference between cut scene and game-play even though both are in-engine.
But that was to be expected as the cut-scene level of graphics would have seriously hampered the game-play (on any console and PC too) and it's usually rule for most titles.
I can only think of one upcoming game using the same assets for both.
Just got an image in my head of Stalin asking "Anymore capitalist pigs who loves freedom of speech?" :lol
But that was to be expected as the cut-scene level of graphics would have seriously hampered the game-play (on any console and PC too) and it's usually rule for most titles.
I can only think of one upcoming game using the same assets for both.
Blackace said:
Just got an image in my head of Stalin asking "Anymore capitalist pigs who loves freedom of speech?" :lol
Merovingian
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The only difference is between an alien and a Human.
Can't believe people are comparing the "graphics" between the two.
Cutcene is the exact same as gameplay, it doesn't change, have you guys ever played Jade Empire and Kotor at all?
Can't believe people are comparing the "graphics" between the two.
Cutcene is the exact same as gameplay, it doesn't change, have you guys ever played Jade Empire and Kotor at all?
Tieno
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Ynos Yrros
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The first two shots look completely stunning, but the gameplay ones aren't that impressive. And the main character has the exact same facial expression in 3 shots, he must be a one tough mofo.
Day one purchase for me. BiowAre is the best RPG developer to me, and i don't undersand the hate for Jade Empire
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Day one purchase for me. BiowAre is the best RPG developer to me, and i don't undersand the hate for Jade Empire
.Ynos Yrros said:
I heard that he'll have procedural facial animations like in Uncharted.
Loved that game though the fight balancing was made too easy.Ynos Yrros said:Day one purchase for me. BiowAre is the best RPG developer to me, and i don't undersand the hate for Jade Empire
Oh oh, and the arcade flight session were a stroke of brilliance.
huh? there's a ton of DoF and lack of aliasing in the cutscenes. i'll bet there's also a difference in the specular maps or another area that would end up making the lighting more dramatic.Merovingian said:
the difference is night and day. that in-game shot has especially bad aliasing in the background.
Merovingian
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dfyb said:huh? there's a ton of DoF and lack of aliasing in the cutscenes. i'll bet there's also a difference in the specular maps or another area that would end up making the lighting more dramatic.
the difference is night and day. that in-game shot has especially bad aliasing in the background.
Oh, i'm not talking about special effects. I'm talking about the Art Assets. Someone implied they weren't the same, which is wrong.
But yeah, i can see the conversations having a bit more shizzey, like DOF. And the difference isn't like night and day, it's like in Mgs, when the cutcenes comes they might have a filter here and there, some more shizzey, but the difference isn't night day. That's just some hyperbolic BS.
Tieno
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So far Wikipedia lists the following alien racesVonGak! said:
# 4 Alien Races
* 4.1 Geth
* 4.2 Asari
* 4.3 Krogan
* 4.4 Salarians
* 4.5 Turians
* 4.6 Volus
* 4.7 Quarians
* 4.8 Batarians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect#Alien_Races
Geth
The Geth are a bi-pedal, humanoid race of networked AIs that reside in the Terminus Systems. The Geth were created nearly 300 years ago by the Quarians as laborers and tools of war. When the Geth began to question their masters, the Quarians attempted to exterminate them. The Geth won the resulting war. The example of the Geth has led to a legally enforced, systematic repression of artificial intelligences in galactic society.
The Geth can learn and grow intellectually, but they progress far more slowly than an organic being. Still, the story of the Geth's creation and evolution serves as a warning to the rest of the galaxy of the potential dangers of Artificial Intelligence.
The closer Geth physically are to each other, the more intelligent each one becomes. Effectively, they "share" brain power. An individual Geth has only a basic intelligence on par with animal instincts, but in groups they can reason, analyze situations, and use tactics as well as any of the organic races.
Over time the Geth have evolved into numerous sub-forms - from the diminutive but highly agile "Hoppers", to the gigantic, lumbering Geth "Armatures". It should be stressed, however, that in all forms the Geth are to be approached with extreme caution as they are universally violent.[18]
[edit] Asari
This race has been revealed to be a member of the Citadel Council. Of all the species in Council space, the asari are the most widespread and the ones who most closely resemble humans. Asari are an asexual species--the concept of gender doesn't particularly apply to them. However, their features are very feminine.
Their complexion usually consists of blue and greenish pigments. Instead of hair, asari have wavy folds of sculpted skin.
The asari are accepted as the most respected, admired and powerful species in the galaxy. They were the first species after the Protheans to achieve interstellar flight. This allowed the asari to be the first species to discover the Citadel.
In addition, the asari served as a founding member species of the Council.
[edit] Krogan
The krogan are a species of large reptilian bipeds native to the planet Tuchanka, a world known for its harsh environments, scarce resources and overabundance of vicious predators. The krogan managed to not only survive on their unforgiving homeworld, but actually thrived in the extreme conditions. Unfortunately, as krogan society become more technologically advanced so did their weaponry.
Four thousand years ago, at the dawn of the krogan nuclear age, battles to claim the small pockets of territory capable of sustaining life escalated into full scale global war. Weapons of mass destruction were unleashed, transforming Tuchanka into a radioactive wasteland. The krogan themselves were reduced to primitive warring clans struggling to survive a nuclear winter of their own creationÂ… a state that continued until they were discovered by the salarians two thousand years later.
Due to the brutality of their surroundings, natural selection has played a significant role in the evolution of the species. Krogan reproduce and mature at an astonishing rate. Their large shoulder humps store fluids and nutrients, enabling them to survive extended periods without food or water. Their thick hides are virtually impervious to cuts, scrapes or contusions, and they are highly resistant to toxins, radiation and extremes of both heat and cold.
Biotic individuals are rare, though those who do possess the talent are typically quite strong in their abilities. But their most amazing physiological features are the multiple instances of major organs; these secondary systems are capable of serving as back-ups in the event of damage to the primary biological structures. This redundancy makes them incredibly difficult to kill or incapacitate in normal combat scenarios.[19]
[edit] Salarians
Salarians are a race renowned for their technical skill as well as their high aptitude for espionage. In the interstellar community, they've created many of the major technological advances that now fill the galaxy.
[edit] Turians
The turians were the last of the Citadel races to join the Council. Their features are avian, making them resemble humanoid birds or raptors. They have a reputation for skill and bravery in combat, but they are not known to be bloodthirsty. A rigid code of honor and strict discipline are the hallmarks of any turian officer. This includes humane treatment of prisoners and conquered enemies. A turian patrol unit will never willingly leave behind one of their own, no matter what the cost of saving them.
Turian society is highly regimented and very organized, and the species is known for its strict discipline and work ethic. Turians are willing to do what needs to be done, and they always follow through. They are not easily spurred to violence, but when conflict is inevitable, they only understand a concept of "total war." They do not believe in skirmishes or small-scale battles; they use massive fleets and numbers to defeat an adversary so completely that they remove any threat of having to fight the same opponent more than once. They do not exterminate their enemy, but so completely devastate their military that the enemy has no choice but to become a colony of the Turians.
Other species see them as "men of action," and they are generally regarded as the most progressive of the Citadel races. Since their culture is based on the structure of a military hierarchy, changes and advances accepted by the leadership are quickly adopted by the rest of society with minimal resistance.[20]
[edit] Volus
Little is yet known about the Volus, but their heavy clothing and breathing masks are apparently a necessary garb when away from the unique atmosphere of their home world.
[edit] Quarians
A nomadic race of humanoid aliens, the quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans. They dress in a scavenged assortment of materials, hiding their faces behind visors, goggles, or breathing masks. Some believe the quarians are cybernetic, a blend of machine and biology that can survive for a time in the cold vacuum of space. Others believe the quarians are simply so used to living on their substandard, makeshift ships that they never remove their survival suits.
Three hundred years ago the quarians created the Geth, a species of rudimentary AIs, to serve as an efficient source of manual labor. But the Geth rebelled against their quarian masters and drove them into exile. Now the quarians wander the galaxy in a flotilla of salvaged ships, secondhand vessels, and recycled technology. Other species tend to look down on the quarians, seeing them as scavengers and condemning them for unleashing a dangerous synthetic life form on the rest of the galaxy.[21]
[edit] Batarians
A very seedy race with large numbers in the crime syndicates throughout the galaxy. The batarians are skinnier than the average human but are about the same size height wise.
Thunderbear
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dfyb said:
Screenshots are pretty meaningless in my opinion.
After this video; http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15568&type=mov&pl=game, how can anyone argue it's not a great looking game? You see aliasing in there, but it still looks f'ing fantastic.
i wasn't implying the specular maps were the same for these two specific characters. i'm saying gameplay models might not be running the same specular maps when they're in gameplay vs cutscene. just a hunch because it's not all that uncommon and the lighting in gameplay isn't as awesome as the cutscene lighting.segarr said:
aliasing isn't present on the alien even where there's no DoF (the in-focus areas). look at where the neck meets the suit and compare it to the gameplay one. DoF is a resource-heavy application in itself, so your point is pretty pointless.
Thunderbear said:
i think the game looks great -- i'm definitely not saying it looks ugly. but outside of the cutscenes, it's just not as impressive as some other upcoming games. even comparing real-time cutscenes to other real-time cutscenes (uncharted, perhaps heavenly sword) -- they're pretty even, though ME goes for a more realistic art style.
Ynos Yrros
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Yeah I heard that it was going for some amazing facial animations too, but I still haven't seen the "wrinkle mapping" in this game, and is the character in those 3 screenshots under the EXACT same circumstances? He should have his mouth open in at least one of those, or his eyes maybe, anything. Unless the system isn't in place yet.VonGak! said:
And I'm not picking on the game, cause what's there is perfectly fine with me, but I'm picking on people who were trolling the Uncharted thread.
Merovingian
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Ynos Yrros said:
The wrinkle system, lol
Yeah it has it. Man even Too human has it, the wrinkle thing really isn't that big of a deal anymore. And i don't walk around with my mouth open...you do? If you do that's weird.
Ynos Yrros
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You're not the one to speak actually, you should be nitpicking the hell out of those screenshots, just like you did with most PS3 games.Merovingian said:
Anyway:
Look at the space between and above his eyebrows, they move, but there are no wrinkles being made.
Oh, and he still has the same facial expression in 3 pics, where's the procedural face animation?
Merovingian
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Ynos Yrros said:You're not the one to speak actually, you should be nitpicking the hell out of those screenshots, just like you did with most PS3 games.
Anyway:
Look at the space between and above his eyebrows, they move, but there are no wrinkles being made.
Oh, and he still has the same facial expression in 3 pics, where's the procedural face animation?
Uh?
That's really unfair. I'm not saying this is the best looking game ever, and since the hyperbole is really reduced in this thread, i don't see reason to comment on others.
And regarding the procedural animation, i doubt you will see changes in his facial expression when he is just walking around, minding his own business.
Ynos Yrros
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The game looks stunning to me, there are no shortcomings, but there are games that do those things better.szaromir said:
I'm definately not blind, post HD pictures of this sequence, so maybe we can actually see those wrinkles.
And yeah, this is in-game footage, and what you call trolling, I call observation. People point out such things in every PS3 game related topic (topics I spend most of my gaf time in), don't be mad when someone does the same thing you do.
Merovingian
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szaromir said:
Of course you have the eye movement and eye blinking. But since there's no explosions going around him, he doesn't have to reload a weapon or some shit, it's kinda hard to do anything with it.
But in the Xplay bit, when the characters weren't moving they showed quite a bit of body animation going.
Well, I disagree the lighting is worse in-game. That cutscene just has a nice DOF effect and that's it. I beleive Bioware will be using DOF during in-game conversations to focus on different people at times. It's just that none of the screens show that aspect.dfyb said:
There isn't any different level of AA being used there. The character in the foreground is closer and jaggies always appear more noticible on far away objects. You just can't see it in that background because it is blurred, unlike the gameplay screen.dfyb said:
This cutscene
And this in-game screen does not show any difference in graphical fidelity. It's just that the background is blurred in the cutscene.
Merovingian
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VonGak! said:
Man the coolest thing is that it's a trilogy with DL content in between, and the character you make in the 1st game and grow used to will transfer to the rest of the "saga"
PepsimanVsJoe
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segarr said:
Yes we're all very aware of Ynos Yrros' antics. I've given up all hope of having a rational discussion with him to be honest.
Francias Castiglione
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segarr said:
What? You don't agree he should have a massive facial tick that shows off the "wrinkle system" for the hell of it?
Ya right.Ynos Yrros said:
I see wrinkles. Sadly, I don't have HD version of that scene, Xplay preview is only available in lowres Flash videos.
It's not an observation, when you say there's no animation having seen 3 static screenshots. Not only that, after watching these 3 screens, you claim that other games have better facial animation (of course, they are on the other platform). This is trolling.
Does anyone know if it's possible to restart the game (after you've finished it) with the same stats, and stronger enemies. Thirty hours seems a bit short to me, but then again, if the entire game is crammed with awesomeness (like GoWII - which was a lot shorter though) it shouldn't be that big of a loss if the 'restart with current stats' option isn't there.
It would be cool though, so please let me know.
It would be cool though, so please let me know.
Ynos Yrros
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You mean those wrinkles that are there all the time?szaromir said:I see wrinkles. Sadly, I don't have HD version of that scene, Xplay preview is only available in lowres Flash videos.
It's not an observation, when you say there's no animation having seen 3 static screenshots. Not only that, after watching these 3 screens, you claim that other games have better facial animation (of course, they are on the other platform). This is trolling.
I'm just following the steps of people who were commenting that game on the other platform, putting Mass Effect into equation.
For facial animations to be considered the best, or even one of the best, they should be dynamic, so whether the character is right after walking, or stands in one place for some longer time, or was just running - they should differ.
Anyway, I agree that this discussion is ridiculous, I rest my case, I'm pumped for this game, and that talk affects it in a negative way. I just hope that people hold the same answers next time someone comes into another topic about another game.
Merovingian said:
Yes and for once I believe it's going to work unlike previous games where it turned out to be a gimmick or the franchises never managed to establish.
Mass Effect has the creative talent to keep the franchise fresh and the financial security in MS so one won't have to constantly worry about the latest installment/update being the last (or like in WoW having to wait years for the expansion).