SRTtoZ
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Sign me up. I'd be there day 1 with a giant fucking smile on my face @ $350 sans Kinect.
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Xbox One Hardware/UI Review Thread
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Sign me up. I'd be there day 1 with a giant fucking smile on my face @ $350 sans Kinect.
Seems like it's getting better reviews than would've been predicted 6 months ago. From my brief glance seems ahead of the PS4 on launch lineup but pretty much even between the two otherwise. Set up nicely for an interesting first year.
Saying that, the lack of some of the live TV functionality (if I've understood the system correctly) at start in markets outside of the US seems like a reason for consumers to prefer Sony's offering if they're simply comparing pros/cons?
Saying that, the lack of some of the live TV functionality (if I've understood the system correctly) at start in markets outside of the US seems like a reason for consumers to prefer Sony's offering if they're simply comparing pros/cons?
With the hiding of the GPU specs how can we trust that MS hasn't lowered the clock of the GPU with the day one patch?
It seems that no one is allowed to talk about the GPU or they all are just trying to be deceitful.
Whatever the case is everyone involve should be ashamed of themselves it's sickening.
It seems that no one is allowed to talk about the GPU or they all are just trying to be deceitful.
Whatever the case is everyone involve should be ashamed of themselves it's sickening.
Surprised about the strict voice commands (some sounding like they were driven by business deals like the redbox one lol). The demos always made it look very conversational, but I guess they were controlled demos.
Also seems you can only have two apps open. Tbh, apart from snap, I think both systems here are roughly on par - PS4's double tap to toggle between game and app is a nice workaround for not being able to switch by voice (and hopefully they increase the dictionary for voice controls on PS4 to include apps)
Overall, it seems that reality has arrived and the Xbox is mortal just like the PS4 is, and both need a good 12 months to polish up and show us what they are really made of.
Also seems you can only have two apps open. Tbh, apart from snap, I think both systems here are roughly on par - PS4's double tap to toggle between game and app is a nice workaround for not being able to switch by voice (and hopefully they increase the dictionary for voice controls on PS4 to include apps)
Overall, it seems that reality has arrived and the Xbox is mortal just like the PS4 is, and both need a good 12 months to polish up and show us what they are really made of.
It's certainly odd like I said that the console's bulletpoints are seemingly half way there's and worse, yet it's getting good scores? They're doing a real disservice to the consumer ultimately glazing over this stuff.
Let alone hoping for any discussion on the differences in the GPUs and other hardware in the systems to offload things like streaming/etc. Not sure why it's so hard for reviewers to do their homework for their job. I was hoping "gaming journalism" would get better than last gen but instead it's getting worse.
When you remove the numbers from the reviews though they certainly read like this machine was to be released in holiday 2014. The PS4 is having it's issues right now, but this thing is in worse shape to have the feeling it was rushed out the door a year early.
Not sure where you're reading this from, but that exact text was read aloud on the Gamespot livestream. They cut away to a video of some Australian girl talking. And the very next sentence was something like, "Though both consoles have AMD Radeon GPUS, PS4 has the leg-up with 18 cores versus 12 cores for the Xbox One."
redwolflim
Neo Member
Australia review:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/techn...box-one-worth-it/story-fnjwmj0x-1226764503251
TL;DR
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/techn...box-one-worth-it/story-fnjwmj0x-1226764503251
TL;DR
XBOX ONE TOP FEATURES
-Kinect 2.0 movement and voice-sensing unit bundled with the console
-Next-generation graphics delivered by a powerful eight-core AMD chip and 853 MHz graphics unit
-Apps like Kinect Fitness included in the package
-Voice commands control many of its features, including pausing and sharing game content
-Ability to play free or pay TV through the console
DRAWBACKS
-No Australian electronic program guide for use with voice commands
-Not as many apps in Australia as the US yet
-Slightly lower graphics performance than the PS4
-Heavier and bulkier than its rivals
-No major controller revamp
-Kinect 2.0 movement and voice-sensing unit bundled with the console
-Next-generation graphics delivered by a powerful eight-core AMD chip and 853 MHz graphics unit
-Apps like Kinect Fitness included in the package
-Voice commands control many of its features, including pausing and sharing game content
-Ability to play free or pay TV through the console
DRAWBACKS
-No Australian electronic program guide for use with voice commands
-Not as many apps in Australia as the US yet
-Slightly lower graphics performance than the PS4
-Heavier and bulkier than its rivals
-No major controller revamp
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I agree, they've clearly been told not to mention the GPU. And here we were thinking this gen would be judged on equal terms.
foamdino
Member
Interesting that no-one has mentioned this yet:
"an Xbox One cold boot takes a remarkable one minute, eight seconds to complete (power-up from standby is a rather more sane 18 seconds)"
That's pretty slow from cold boot - although most people will leave it on standby - it suggests that the HD is fairly slow or running in a power saving mode.
"an Xbox One cold boot takes a remarkable one minute, eight seconds to complete (power-up from standby is a rather more sane 18 seconds)"
That's pretty slow from cold boot - although most people will leave it on standby - it suggests that the HD is fairly slow or running in a power saving mode.
Fitness is only available free to Gold subscribers for a year (starting at launch, not from purchase) though.
There are plenty of devices that's already taken over the living room by millions (if not billions) of people (such as Apple TV, Roku, Computer Tablets, etc.), especially if they don't care about gaming. And they don't have to worry about paying subscriptions just to access a lot of apps.
Typomancer
Neo Member
This is the UI that people claim is objectively superior to the PS4 UI?
It's full of squares and transition animations.
Such a terrible UI. Metro UI (I refuse to call it “Modern”
is just a mess. They took the concept of the grid way too literally and everything Microsoft touches with their tiled interface turns into a confusing, slow, and repetitious mosaic instead of an ordered system that is clear and fast.I’m surprised no review outlet seems to be making a big deal about the irreplaceable/non-upgradeable internal HDD. So bad. You can use an external HDD but I think that’s entirely cumbersome/tacky and does very little to alleviate the fact that you’re going to have an awful time if the internal HDD dies (even more bizarre if it’s true that there’s no way to tell how much of the drive is being used).
jonscrambler
Member
I don't see a bloodbath
SRTtoZ
Member
I just timed the PS4 @ 21 seconds, cold boot. A minute seems a tad bit crazy but like you said, maybe its designed for standby.
Chobel
Member
I know Xbox One has many drawbacks but this is definitely not one of them.
The main issue I think, is it has a bit of a learning curve like google voice, you have to know when to speak and when not to.Also many of the reviews have multiple ppl talking and them not knowing the system right. I'am sure after a few days of using the X1 the voice commands will work well because people will know how to use them correctly.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I guess it's fair to grade it mostly on its media function but what about the games? Why are no points or cons listing those as an downside? It was Microsoft that was still saying that it's a game console first, built for gamers by gamers and all that jazz. Reading these reviews they mostly speak about other things but games.
SeaOfMadness
Member
This is the UI that people claim is objectively superior to the PS4 UI?
It's full of squares and transition animations.
It's not just that. it's all the sub menus, the built in apps, the system popups, etc.. the whole package. plus that GIF shows about 15 pinned things. you don't have to have that many.
Everdred
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Just watched the gamespot stream. Wow voice recognition is utter shit. The guy was repeating commands like 4 times. Pressing buttons is so much quicker and easier is the takeaway form that video.
demigod
Member
If you think the gaming press is clueless, I have a bridge to sell to you. That's exactly what they are trying to do, misinform and deceive their readers. Who do you think their advertisers are?
This is my issue with the Xbox One. I don't have cable and use Netflix/Amazon/Hulu for content, puchase newly broadcasted shows that i'm interested in by iTunes, and I'm set for TV based content. I don't want to watch Netflix while I play a game because I want to pay attention to either whats happening in game, or whats happening on the show.
This leaves me with motion gaming and voice commands that differs itself from the PS4. Motion gaming has a long way to go for me, and for me to want it, the game needs to be BETTER because its motion based and a better experience than with a controller/M&KB. Voice commands that other companies are using are meh at best and I was under the impression that the xbox one would be the new standard of voice commands (maybe I'm at fault for being under this impression). This console is obviously not for me, and some folks are genuinely excited about it, but its just that, not for me.
My fastest Standby to Menu was 5~ seconds using a 1TB SSHD (was probably cached onto the SSD portion that attempt).
Just now I tested both scenarios:
- Cold boot: 15 seconds
- Standby: 11 seconds
Fuck that. We've had a LONG generation, and don't we mostly want to play games? We can work around a few UI hiccups while they fix them, that's what early adopters do. Both machines are still significant improvements over their predecessors just from fast app switching and background installing
Google Voice doesn't have a learning curve.
This is worlds apart from Google Voice.
Do keep in mind that as per Adam Sessler, reviewers have had the console for over a week.
demigod
Member
This is the UI that people claim is objectively superior to the PS4 UI?
It's full of squares and transition animations.
Yeah it's funny, they obviously don't have Windows 8. I bought a laptop this year and got rid of that shit(win 8 UI) from day 1.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Both systems sound like shit at launch.
GoofsterStud
Member
I have a stupid question.
Why are all of these reviews comparing CPU speeds? I thought the ps4 CPU speed wasn't official with rumors estimating the final clock at 1.8.
Meanwhile gpus aren't mentioned. What is going on here? Why mention CPU speeds at all when one isn't official while neglecting to mention GPU speeds when both are official. Can someone explain this to me.
Why are all of these reviews comparing CPU speeds? I thought the ps4 CPU speed wasn't official with rumors estimating the final clock at 1.8.
Meanwhile gpus aren't mentioned. What is going on here? Why mention CPU speeds at all when one isn't official while neglecting to mention GPU speeds when both are official. Can someone explain this to me.
SRTtoZ
Member
Somethings up with that time as ive said in that thread. I just re-tested my bootup time twice and its always 21 seconds til login screen (standard 500gb HDD).
Coming with a later patch. Not at launch.
demigod
Member
36 is waaaaaaaay off. My boot time is around 23 seconds, official ps4 hdd.
intheinbetween
Member
do they have to repeat the GPU specs? it was already announced some months back it had been tweaked by a few ghzs, by an official PR statement. if the press doesn't comment on that, does it make it look suspicious? come on
btw, did PS4 reviews talked about the final PS4 CPU specs? I'm just asking because I don't know
Yeah no ways those number in that chart are correct. Unless he not auto login.
intheinbetween
Member
like every launch..
Are u fu*k*** kidding me?. This is maybe the most important feature with next gen systems, jesus.
How can they screw that up.
Thanks man, I dono what to do anymore, All these voice command reviews are coming out and now this.
I think I might sell my launch system, and I hate that I might do that.
It should be noted that the main 'edge' given to the XB1 won't be available to people outside of North America. And it's really not hard to see the press being dishonest about the specs. Last gen was close. This one? Not so much.
It's really not in anyones' best interests, personally or financially, to poopoo half of the console market. No surprise here.
I really couldn't care less about Kinect or whatever TV functionality the XB1 has over the PS4. That's my mindset as a potential customer. So take that away and it's not a close competition, for me. Even if I had some sort of blind hatred for Sony, it would be hard to justify the XB1 as the better gaming box. Your mileage may vary.
I don't think anybody said it would crash and burn, I actually think the reviews have been pretty accurate with predictions, only the awful voice recognition is the shocker.
Gawd that's so cheesy.