Well negative takes usually bring more discussion than positive outlooks. Easier to say what you don't like than what you do.
World design has always been good with XB and that's something I'm looking forward for to release.
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Releases December 1st 2017
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Well negative takes usually bring more discussion than positive outlooks. Easier to say what you don't like than what you do.
World design has always been good with XB and that's something I'm looking forward for to release.
Nothing like arriving at home and grind 4 battles in a very complex JPRG system that will have a rotation of abilities and optimal picks since 1 minute one and you won't ever bother to try anything else.
Yay
You are welcome? Man, low the edge HAHA
True but...they are
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
I don't think complainers are in the majority this time, though. At least this isn't my impression at all.
Gotdatmoney
Member
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
Did you play XBC because that's literally Guar Plains/Bionis Leg in a nut shell.
The Titan they showed during gamescon looked pretty unique. XBC doesn't hit it's first visually striking location until Satorl Marsh and it doesn't look good during the day, only night.
X is actually similar. Primordia is pretty boring. Jungle, Desert and Sand Continents are better. Lava continent is shit.
Oh I did, but you agree with me that the world design aint that hot, so no need to point the subject of conversation that way
Pyra's character design is whatever at this point, but as long as she's just as strong a personality as Fiora, Melia, Elma, Lin or most of the female characters* in previous titles, I think that a lot can been forgiven if they nail that aspect.
*Sorry Sharla fans: it's not her fault the game completely forgets about her once Dunban joins and doesn't do anything of value until Gadolt shows up again, and then it goes back to forgetting about her right after.
*Sorry Sharla fans: it's not her fault the game completely forgets about her once Dunban joins and doesn't do anything of value until Gadolt shows up again, and then it goes back to forgetting about her right after.
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
That's what Xenoblade games are though. They all take place on large empty feeling plateaus. They're all about scale and less about level design (although it's there if you fully explore).
They're not meant to be BotW style interactive environments where there's something cool to interact with on every inch of the landscape. It's more about battling and manipulating intricate systems while traversing giant (and often dangerous) environments. And they spice that up with some deep lore, story, and cutscenes.
My only hope is that there aren't a ton of the really horrible and meaningless fetch quests that plagued XBC and XBX. The quest design in XBX was particularly meaningless and terrible in my opinion.
I find the world seen so far the second best world design ever.
It's not as good as XenoX, but it's not BotW neither
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Seriously, it was the same deal with X and its soundtrack. It got to the point where everyone kept bringing up the same 3 tracks over and over again (you know the ones) without looking at the bigger picture as a whole (sure, the sound-mixing still sucked, but that's a different issue). It was especially annoying considering how amazing the rest of the soundtrack was. How often did people talk about that? Not as often as those 3 other songs, that's for sure.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I actually think it's pretty good. A lot of the appeal of the Xenoblade games is exploring to find the uniqie structures and cool hidden areas. The first area being a grass plain is just standard in open world fantasy games. There isn't an open world game with a more interesting world than XCX so I find the criticism odd.
Yeah it's a plain, but we have seen so little of it. In XBC satorl marsh at night, valek mountain, makna forest all have pretty striking designs but you can find some plain looking areas if you look.
I don't think we can judge the open world design without 20 hours (at least) into the game.
I find BotW open world design brilliant btw.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Yeah their characteristics and personalities are usually very well done. Sharla was just bizarre, the only noticeable thing she does after Duncan joins apart from what you specified was:
Promise Melia she would support her in her attempts to gain Shulk's affection, only to not do that at all because the game forgets about her entirely.
She can be alright I'm battle but she is so unimportant to the plot lol.
True but...they are
I'm OK with them, but I found ridiculous that this was repeated a couple of times in a previous stream as some kind of big selling point.
Jim_Cacher
Member
I don't like her outfit too. Mind you, only the outfit, not her figure. Games are always full of handsome / hot guys and cute / great looking girls. People love good things, and body figure is one of them. That outfit is absolutely weird, unfitting and unrealistic, but I don't think this one thing can ruin the whole game.
I respect your opinion though, it's just that the regular argument on this topic is tiring.
I do not agree with negativity being more discussion, but rather the world loves bashing rather than praising because many people think good things are granted (but they are not).
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
Emptiness could be beneficial to depict a huge world. In Xenoblade 2, people are living on the titans(!), it's no surprise that the world designer want to leave some space to show that the land is vast. I think we really need to play the game before commenting on the map design regarding its density, but we may judge visual for now.
And... it looks amazing, even better than Xenoblade X. For example, in that mechanical country, cable cars are moving around. They may be for transporting mines, or even people. "Can I hop on the cars and enjoy the scenery?" I immediately had this thought when the trailer showing that scene. This gives players great imagination, and I totally love these kinds of things.
Sure, you're not. But the tone of some comments, especially elsewhere, really makes me think that there are people who are actually upset. Who knows though, after all it's hard to judge such things by a few words on a screen.
Speaking for myself, I find it a general problem. For example, in an image such as this (the first one I came across)
I don't think anyone looks good. Not even Elma.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Sure, you're not. But the tone of some comments, especially elsewhere, really makes me think that there are people who are actually upset. Who knows though, after all it's hard to judge such things by a few words on a screen.
Speaking for myself, I find it a general problem. For example, in an image such as this (the first one I came across)
I don't think anyone looks good. Not even Elma.
Doug looks pretty good imo.
When X got away from the doll eyes the characters looked fine. Most of the male characters strayed away from them and were fine as a result. It's just the the game is female driven so you see shitty doll eyes a lot. Elma is still the best though.
Well i like the aesthetic overall, just not the sexualisation. But that's a problem most jrpg's have.
I am also too weak willed to abstain myself.
If there is one thing I have complete confidence in, it's that I am going to love traversing the environments and just staring at them while listening to the beautiful soundtrack. I also think the combat looks amazing. Takahashi has yet to let me down plot wise (yes Xenoblade X had less of a plot, but what was there was great!) and that's over the seven games I have played by him, so no worries there either. My only complaints are the VO, which I think will be fine when actually in game, and the design of the sword characters, which is certainly annoying, but not something that will hurt my enjoyment of the game. Basically, I will not be surprised at all if XC2 is my GOTY.
Speaking for myself, I find it a general problem. For example, in an image such as this (the first one I came across)
I don't think anyone looks good. Not even Elma.
Tatsu is cute
Elma and Irina look much better in the game than in this image.
Yeah, her and Reyn just kind of stop mattering at the same time, though Sharla doesn't have the strength of memes like Reyn does with every other battle line he gets.
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
We'll agree to disagree, then. I found those pretty good in general. None of the faces really do bother me, and Lin's the only case of 'doll face' (besides one of the options for female Cross, I think) that I think can be pointed out as a bad 3D translation.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Reyn isn't demphasized at all during the story though. He's Shulk's support pillar. It's just that towards the back end of the game there isn't much characterization in cutscenes for anyone besides Shulk, Melia and Seven. Reyn has a lot of awesome heart to hearts.
Sure, you're not. But the tone of some comments, especially elsewhere, really makes me think that there are people who are actually upset. Who knows though, after all it's hard to judge such things by a few words on a screen.
Speaking for myself, I find it a general problem. For example, in an image such as this (the first one I came across)
I don't think anyone looks good. Not even Elma.
Gotta say, I feel the character design is a step above Xenoblade X for me, as I HATE these character models, but the original Xenoblade still looked the best of the three so far.
Dark Cloud
Member
I'm so pumped for this game. Day 1
I love this town. I get Kingdom Hearts/The Last Story feel from it. This game is going to be awesome.
I love this town. I get Kingdom Hearts/The Last Story feel from it. This game is going to be awesome.
TheMoon
Member
I don't think we can really judge this based on youtube/streams.
TheMoon
Member
Then I think her arm pose is tricking me, it looks more reigned in due to the way her arms are posed.
I'd like to preemptively apologize.
AquaWateria
Member
In this entirety of this thread has anyone talked about the factions in this game?
How the story may go about this? It's quite interesting how each country are on a unique titan.
How the story may go about this? It's quite interesting how each country are on a unique titan.
RPGCrazied
Member
I think its cool you have your own titan. I guess thats how you go from titan to titan? Also wonder what else you can do there.
Dark Cloud
Member
I have to rewatch it again to learn the factions.
AquaWateria
Member
Yeah the gameplay trailer talked about having titans that have enclosed spaces while others are enormous.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I just want to play a JRPG in which the main character does not look like a chipper young shonen hero in adventuring gear while his magical sword girl looks like she fell backwards out of a fetish cosplay shop. Like anyone saying that design isn't coded "sexy" in a very anime way is being disingenuous, regardless of how you feel about that. She is
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
What?
Jim_Cacher
Member
Yeah, and the staff intentionally leaving out two factions makes it even more interesting. The two at the far right were not mentioned in the trailer.
RPGCrazied
Member
Yeah, and they open up new areas/close off areas when they rise and fall. They are literally moving in the sky.
AquaWateria
Member
You do know your young shonen hero is a scavenger and it's been said he is older than he looks.
Also why do people find Rex a problem?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is true however. The Xenoblade games are about the only series where I actually like the enormous empty worlds, mostly because of how good it feels to run across them
We need space for pre-Elysium twists. A Xeno game cannot have just one twist.
I hope one of them is underwater.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Well then you wont be playing this lol
I don't think anyone has even implied Pyra isn't suppose to be sexualized lol
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't really have much of a problem with Rex honestly, his design is silly but its never really bothered me, and I'll swap out his weird leg armor. Sorry should have been clearer, its his juxtaposition against her that bugs me. Even if you can dress him in "sexier" armor Shulk style later the fact that these two default appearances are what the developers thought we would want to see of these characters is...bleh
AquaWateria
Member
Discussion like this is so much better than threads devolving into character designs every single time.
But yeah that's quite interesting. I wonder why they haven't mentioned them yet? Maybe it for story purposes and might spoil some things.
Well we have new direct feed screenshots. It looks a bit better, cleaner than at E3.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The best dessign im any of the Xenoblade games is Dunban. Slay.
Xenoblade 1 character art is so good though.
Xenoblade 1 character art is so good though.
Since it seems Rex has mysterious origins I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was his homeland.
If my theory that Rex is actually an artificial being created by Spaceship Elysium doesn't pan out anyway.
Jim_Cacher
Member
I agree with Fou-Lu. They must have some mind-blowing twist going on to those two mysterious factions. Even though many people were criticizing Xenoblade X's main story, the Chapter 5 reveal was still very good. I hope to see twists on that caliber.
RPGCrazied
Member
They even said one of the blades turns into a mount for you to use. Cool!
That sidequest in XC was SO good.
I loved the melodramatic final battle with Tragic Decision.
In XC2 he'll definitely be a boss.
Jim_Cacher
Member
Another thing I have noticed. Pyra is on the right while the blonde is on the left. The blade in the middle is in both red and golden color.
Hmm... Looks kind of fishy.