Smiles and Cries
Member
less reds and pinks on the character's skin kinda downgrade to me
they should never go towards muted colors so lifeless
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Releases December 1st 2017
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less reds and pinks on the character's skin kinda downgrade to me
they should never go towards muted colors so lifeless
There's nothing suggesting that you can customise the blades. Rather the opposite.
Dice//
Banned
Aw that got worse. Hopefully the helmet shading is still in, just the lighting change meant it's not visible at this angle.
Meanwhile, I dig the glow-in-the-dark lights here def look boss.
Probably not an "design accident" then. x)
That is not my point, and I never said she looked 12. She does look underage to me, but even if she didn't, it's not the point of the post. Plus, the fact that anime/manga have an audience that has been desensitized to casual oversexualisation isn't per se a defense of design choices IMO.
That is very unfortunate indeed. I think it's fine to complain about the ubiquitousness of these designs, no matter their degree of offense. Somewhere down the line it might end up with a generation of designers that make characters appealing in other ways.
I..what? Yes I made assumptions for argument's sake. Based on a design that is obviously sexually evocative. Which is. the. whole. point. Make that design less gratuitous and those assumptions simply can't be made, and that makes a lot more sense in Pyra's global context. Plus that's not the overall point of the complaint, but I'm guessing the diversity and sensitivity argument wasn't really going to grab you in the first place.
What he said. Worst offenders do not excuse "lesser” offenders. And a complaint can be valid without the person bringing it up being aware of every instance of the complaint in existence. C'mon.
We don't know, there's a "cosmetics" menu entry, but it seems very unlikely from what we've seen and because of the complexity of handling Rex's cat companion (in his helmet).
To me her design in itself is fine. It's just that they turned up the slut slider to 11 and made it grotesque.
And worse than that, the camera angle are always focused on her bombshell boobs or her ass.
Seriously in the E3 video when she's falling while yelling Rex's name, she's litterally just boobs with a head and there even is slow motion to be sure you don't miss that. The rest of her appearances in the same video are Rex touching her boobs, and someone slashing at her boobs.
At some point, ok sex sells and shit, but it becomes ridiculous and counter productive.
And worse than that, the camera angle are always focused on her bombshell boobs or her ass.
Seriously in the E3 video when she's falling while yelling Rex's name, she's litterally just boobs with a head and there even is slow motion to be sure you don't miss that. The rest of her appearances in the same video are Rex touching her boobs, and someone slashing at her boobs.
At some point, ok sex sells and shit, but it becomes ridiculous and counter productive.
I like character designs. Including Pyra and Rex. I understand some could feel ofended, though. But i don't think the answer is to censor everything we don't feel comfortable watching because that is always a dangerous path to walk. Equality can never grew from censorship, imo, it has to grew from diversity. And that means we should aspire to equal from above, not from below, not prohibiting but hoping for a more diverse kind of eye candy that would appeal to everyone and not just men.
I get that, what I mean is recently nintendo added the feature to change the languages while keeping the text in the language you want so I hope they do the same for this too
Little Monser
Banned
If Pyra feels comfortable wearing those clothes then let her be
Dice//
Banned
First off, that bolded bit makes almost no sense beyond being a worthless platitude --- it'll never fix people's perspective on this because you're...talking about different issues ...or something.
You also assume men and women have historically and culturally are sexualized equally. Men have a LOT to make up for in how frequently, and how demeaning some sexualization of females (characters and...just out in the everyday real world) is.
Triforce141
Member
There's not a single cutscene so far showing off Pyra's body for the sake of sex appeal. So she has that going compared to Quiet
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
I found Pyra the apex of stupid character design in this game. I really can't understand how people bashed Xenoblade X characters all day long but this somehow is getting a pass. This is just ridiculous.
Yes, other Xenoblade games have stupid outfits too, but at least they were optional (and X even let you dress your characters the way you want, not having to worry about stats!). I'm just hoping I can still change the main characters' outfits, although I highly doubt the same can be said for the Blades. Urgh. At least give me this option that I always had before, and then everyone's happy.
Everything in XC2 just feels like an enormous regression to me.
TheMoon
Member
That is my main issue as well. In the artwork, she looks completely fine. But the 3D in-game model just looks ridiculous with that chest they gave her there, which seems much larger and completely unrealistically shaped even compared with the artwork.
No, i'm not assuming that and i don't know what in my post made you think i was assuming that. What i'm saying is precisely the opposite. I'm asking for more "eye candy" that women could enjoy, adressed to them, in videogames.
First off, that bolded bit makes almost no sense beyond being a worthless platitude --- it'll never fix people's perspective on this because you're...talking about different issues ...or something.
You also assume men and women have historically and culturally are sexualized equally. Men have a LOT to make up for in how frequently, and how demeaning some sexualization of females (characters and...just out in the everyday real world) is.
Little Monser
Banned
Of course it was sarcasm lol
But yeah the design is quite .... eww imo
But hardly surprised since it's a Japanese game.
not to be stereotypical but let's not forget the fact that in a lot of anime, Japanese girls are depicted quite... sexually. Even Persona 5 had the same problem
Um, no.
Are you even sure that everybody chiming in this is interested in the game? Or maybe because it's just a popular topic regarding the game that you feel you need to speak out of? People criticize a lot of "Vita games" and you can't be sure that they are interested in the games themselves. That happens, especially when you have a stance on something. Just be consistent about it, all I'm saying.
TheMoon
Member
But you very likely won't have both languages on the card for this game unless they're gonna rock that 32GB card and find themselves with room to spare maybe (XCX barely fit onto the 25GB Wii U disc with one language).
Dice//
Banned
Have you asked women if they even want that?
(Do you even care beyond it making it more "okay" for you to enjoy your eye candy?)
I'd take a cool looking outfit on characters. I don't want a team of Fe/Male bikini-soldiers.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The size just doesn't compliment the design. Pyra is really slim, most women that slim do not have boobs that big. Not saying they can't but it's uncommon. And the coloring on her outfit has her boobs in a different color than the surrounding outfit which further emphasizes how big her tits are.
It's mostly whatever I suppose because I think her design is good as a whole and works in tandem with Rex (whose design is more over the top and would work better if it was slimmed down clothing wise like Pyra) but she's obviously full blown sexualized.
Also lol at anyone saying Pyra looks 12. No she doesn't. Nothing about her design give the impression she is young. She looks around 18-20.
Her boobs are really big on the artwork too. It doesn't fit the design. Everything on pyra is sleek, slim and long. Her boobs just shooting out of her chest just to such a degree hurts it.
EVER in MY LIFE I have gotten so many direct replies so I will try to adress them in order, grabbing coffee.
Well, it does make sense, the artist illustrated Expelled from Paradise, and it was pretty much in line of what we are seeing in the game, at least about character designs
For the better or the worse
Yeah, the characters feel out of place in the world, the world is very reallistic in tones and colours with grays and rust colours then you have a bright girl with red tiddies and a thong running around. It feels off.
Very off
I'm not offended, I don't think anyone is offended, the design is just over the top and of course that means some discussion about it.
This is a market and an industry after all, and there will be people who likes this more than anything, the proof is that there are tons of JPRGS (some of them really good) with this aesthetic.
I kinda like how dumb and "erotic" is the whole idea, but it just doesnt feel right in the world or in character, but of couse that could me that I'm biased towards an opinion, that's something for sure, I will never, IN MY LIFE, wear something like that.
It feels off, really. They might be great characters and all that but the first impression is just a very big "oof"
Velvet's outfit only made sense in a few bits of the story, I loved how they adressed it in some of the comedy story bits.
Somehow, I would be more okay about front nudity than this, of course if the game is properlly labeled as mature content
I don't think anyone is offended but maybe disappointed or scratching their heads, and that's about it
The thing is, even the camera angles focus on her butt so is just jarring and hillarious
Since we haven't played the game yet, we can't talk about it but what we can perceive
Nothing like going to battle with half of your butt exposed while wearing heels, I don't find it cute or cool, I think is like just a big marketing trait for straight or gay people into that kind of stuff, I'm just not their target
Man, what a game
Still ashamed of my words and deeds
The characters in XCX were lifeless (it had plot about it lawl) Pyra and the rest of the cast seems very livid and with a wide range of expressions, so maybe is getting a pass because cool design + horny design + it looks somehow good in game?
I hate her boobs in game they are too big, in the artwork they are still enormeous but not that much uhg
Well, it does make sense, the artist illustrated Expelled from Paradise, and it was pretty much in line of what we are seeing in the game, at least about character designs
For the better or the worse
I've personally never been this conflicted with a game over character designs. Pyra is the worst offender, but many of the other characters are really ugly too. I'll still play the game day one and I'm so happy that the game comes out this year, but man does it rub me the wrong way
Yeah, the characters feel out of place in the world, the world is very reallistic in tones and colours with grays and rust colours then you have a bright girl with red tiddies and a thong running around. It feels off.
Very off
I'm not offended, I don't think anyone is offended, the design is just over the top and of course that means some discussion about it.
This is a market and an industry after all, and there will be people who likes this more than anything, the proof is that there are tons of JPRGS (some of them really good) with this aesthetic.
I kinda like how dumb and "erotic" is the whole idea, but it just doesnt feel right in the world or in character, but of couse that could me that I'm biased towards an opinion, that's something for sure, I will never, IN MY LIFE, wear something like that.
It feels off, really. They might be great characters and all that but the first impression is just a very big "oof"
Velvet's outfit only made sense in a few bits of the story, I loved how they adressed it in some of the comedy story bits.
Somehow, I would be more okay about front nudity than this, of course if the game is properlly labeled as mature content
I don't think anyone is offended but maybe disappointed or scratching their heads, and that's about it
The thing is, even the camera angles focus on her butt so is just jarring and hillarious
Since we haven't played the game yet, we can't talk about it but what we can perceive
Nothing like going to battle with half of your butt exposed while wearing heels, I don't find it cute or cool, I think is like just a big marketing trait for straight or gay people into that kind of stuff, I'm just not their target
Man, what a game
Still ashamed of my words and deeds
The characters in XCX were lifeless (it had plot about it lawl) Pyra and the rest of the cast seems very livid and with a wide range of expressions, so maybe is getting a pass because cool design + horny design + it looks somehow good in game?
I hate her boobs in game they are too big, in the artwork they are still enormeous but not that much uhg
The original is this one:
As you can see, in the first I covered just a part, in the second one the whole back.
I don't think anyone had anything to say about the designs themselves in XCX. Tanaka's artworks look fine, it's the translation to 3D that was not very good.
In this case, instead, the designs are very divisive, but no one can deny that the 3D models are a near perfect reflection of their source.
I'm always honest. I already said i like the designs and i like the eye candy. About women thoughts about the eye candy adressed to them, well... lets just say (GoT spoiler)
Jon Snow ass
Aw that got worse. Hopefully the helmet shading is still in, just the lighting change meant it's not visible at this angle.
Looks to me like the new one just takes place at night.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I did not know Pyra had boobs until this thread
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
One Piece is the third highest selling comic of all time loved by boys, girls, men, and women all across the globe features a multitude of large breasted women as well as sexually pandering designs and situations. Hard to say what people will like. Best a artist can do is make something they like and see what happens. Maybe this game can get a portion of that demographic and be successful.
Eh. I like One Piece for the story and action and characters, I do have a big problem about many things about some characters, that's a big fat false equivalence you are doing there
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
And I don't think this can be said to all of the characters, though. People took images of Lin and the default male Cross and ran them to the ground like if they were the only characters in the game. The majority of the other characters were fine.
That's why I'm constantly checking on XC2 despite disliking way more things than liking, and I will keep doing so until launch day, hoping for my concerns to disappear. Outside of the Blades and Rex things don't seem so dire.
One Piece is my favourite shonen.
And yes, every author should always do what they like.
Naudyboy16
Member
I got Xenoblade chronicle X a couple years ago, and that game was beyond boring. I put about 25 hours into it. I really wanted the Mech, but I couldn't bare it anymore since the story was so terrible as well.
Off the bat, the trailer for this new game is leagues better in terms of setting up this world and the characters we're going to meet. I'm intrigued. The worlds seem vibrant and filled with wonders. If I do get a switch, this will certainly be on my list.
Off the bat, the trailer for this new game is leagues better in terms of setting up this world and the characters we're going to meet. I'm intrigued. The worlds seem vibrant and filled with wonders. If I do get a switch, this will certainly be on my list.
It's not the exact same pair of screens as the ones posted earlier, no, but they're still comparing the same character model and only frames apart from each other.
I did mention major improvements, but you chose to brush them aside in favour of "stance and camera angle." Literally his entire face is a major improvement. If my choice of words really bothers you this much, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you and I'll continue calling it as I see it.
The large majority of XC2 threads (hell, probably all of them) have devolved into complaining about character design so... I don't see how this is getting a pass.
Do you have any idea how editorial and publishers work? like, at all?
Gotdatmoney
Member
I actually think Pyra is a good design. I think the problem is that her design is weird in the context of all the other characters besides the white colored blade whom I assume is her counterpart. Pyra has little clothing but her counterpart Rex has way too much clothing. His design should be slimmed down. The other party members and blades seem to be fully clothed as well. The idea of Pyra's design could be maintained with more clothing. The idea of her being more a soul or spirit does more to justify less clothing but the problem is that she is only one like that.
The games designs are all over the place.
The games designs are all over the place.
I didn't say that all the people who are chiming in are interested in the game. I said that people might not be interested in or heard of all the games that are guilty of this.
And even if somebody is not interested in a game he or she could still criticise it if the topic of the critique is interesting for that person.
Are you addressing somebody with this advice/accusation? If so I hope you checked all the threads in all the forums about all the games before criticising.
Jim_Cacher
Member
Every time there's a Xenoblade thread, it is about character design. I am not saying the discussion is pointless, but could we appreciate the world design? The unique countries? The two powers that were not talked about in this trailer? The combat system?
It's like Fire Emblem thread, people always talk about "waifu". Seriously, if you and Takahashi and other staff members like the design, fine. If you don't like them, it's fine too. Being too focus on one side of the coin is stupidity, especially that side is not even the most important thing to Xenoblade franchise.
It's like Fire Emblem thread, people always talk about "waifu". Seriously, if you and Takahashi and other staff members like the design, fine. If you don't like them, it's fine too. Being too focus on one side of the coin is stupidity, especially that side is not even the most important thing to Xenoblade franchise.
Re: the GoNintendo comparison. I think most of the differences are due to the day/night cycle. However the biggest improvment compared to E3/Gamescom is that we saw no framerate issues this time.
I think people's impression that it looks better is because this time they showed the game with a close camera, instead of the wide one, and it looks way better that way.
I think people's impression that it looks better is because this time they showed the game with a close camera, instead of the wide one, and it looks way better that way.
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
Blame Nintendo because they waited 9 months before even bothering to talk about the world. There was nothing else to discuss before the treehouse presentation at e3.
And actually most Xenoblade threads on the internet talked about the release date rather than the game. (again because there was nothing else to discuss)
Basically until the last direct you could resume the entire promotion of this game with "it's called xenoblade, there are characters there, some are swords. Also, totally 2017."
I wouldn't be surprised if this game bombs because they gave no reason to anyone to even want to play this or with these characters. Aside from boobs and the title.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
My problem with Pyra's design is twofold:
1) I have a huge problem with oversexualization of female characters in video games. HUGE problem. I find it demeaning to women, unnecessary, and a crutch for writers/designers to lean on when they can't come up with anything else. I have been a huge fan of Nintendo in part because they, for the most part, avoided things like this. For example, Zero Suit Samus' armor was shapely but tasteful and functional. In comparison, Pyra's outfit is ridiculous.
2) The design makes absolutely zero sense. She's a blade, which means she was meant for battle. Her armor doesn't point in that direction at all. Earlier this year, one of the reasons I was overjoyed with Horizon: Zero Dawn was because as I played, I felt like that armor is exactly what a female warrior would wear. It was never a distraction. It was functional. It made sense. Pyra's doesn't. It's a huge distraction and makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm actually quite find of nearly every other piece of design in this game. I love the colorful worlds. I love the unique countries. I think the combat system looks great. I'm just really, really disappointed in the apparent pandering attempted with Pyra's armor. For me, it ruins it all and is why I'm avoiding it.
1) I have a huge problem with oversexualization of female characters in video games. HUGE problem. I find it demeaning to women, unnecessary, and a crutch for writers/designers to lean on when they can't come up with anything else. I have been a huge fan of Nintendo in part because they, for the most part, avoided things like this. For example, Zero Suit Samus' armor was shapely but tasteful and functional. In comparison, Pyra's outfit is ridiculous.
2) The design makes absolutely zero sense. She's a blade, which means she was meant for battle. Her armor doesn't point in that direction at all. Earlier this year, one of the reasons I was overjoyed with Horizon: Zero Dawn was because as I played, I felt like that armor is exactly what a female warrior would wear. It was never a distraction. It was functional. It made sense. Pyra's doesn't. It's a huge distraction and makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm actually quite find of nearly every other piece of design in this game. I love the colorful worlds. I love the unique countries. I think the combat system looks great. I'm just really, really disappointed in the apparent pandering attempted with Pyra's armor. For me, it ruins it all and is why I'm avoiding it.
Yes, i'm talking about the author original work, not the publishing process. You're welcome.
Combined with "look how complex is to kill an average monster, it takes 15 minutes to sloooowly kill him, but how beautiful are all those big numbers popping up on screen, isn't it?"
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
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Can you guys do whatever I want to? guyyys???
Okay, let's talk about the world design;
So far it looks delightful, but just for the gimmick of the titans rather than that it looks...empty? Empty and some times really unispired
If you remove the alien type or titan things, it just "The JRPG plateu: Strikes BACK, AGAIN"
Why would you do that though? It's in the game, it's visible in the game, it is the game premise, it is central to the story.
What would be the point of doing that?
Reminds me of a post I read on these boards saying that if you removed the water/sailing in The Wind Waker and took away all the charm then people wouldn't like it as much. Well duh?
And yet another post completely butchering the word gimmick, gamers love and hate that word in equal measure.