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Yoshinori Ono comments on Street Fighter 5 buttslap and related changes
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Ragnorok64
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I honestly don't feel the overlap between people that might be interested in playing this game, and people that would utterly refuse to because of Mika's butt slap is large enough to be significant.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I wish he'd just make the game he wants to make. If it's the one we're getting then that's cool. He says they didn't take it off due to controversy but they definitly did. They wanted to nip that talking point in the bud before reviews and all that are out as it was already beginning as soon as people saw it.
I wish he stuck to his guns but whatever. I like either doing it conservative to begin with or doing what you want and sticking with it. I really dislike flipflopping for some reason.
At least we have hot ryu and sexy chun li.
I wish he stuck to his guns but whatever. I like either doing it conservative to begin with or doing what you want and sticking with it. I really dislike flipflopping for some reason.
At least we have hot ryu and sexy chun li.
did anyone bust out "V-Triggered" yet
wait, take this with you
It's one of his favorite characters too. Bet it stings.
Of course they always have been that way but it doesn't mean it's time to double down on it. Lots of people here will defend SFV but point at the DOA series as "going too far" so that does imply there's gradations of fanservice. Capcom doesn't have to keep going down that path just because they set a precedent, they could keep those characters at the previous level of sexual objectification instead of trying to hunt down that demographic of people who solely buy DOA for the T&A.
I'll agree with your second point, however. Capcom made the change because it was cheap and easy to do so. Perhaps if they foresaw the minor backlash SFV has received over the designs of the women in SFV (and I want to emphasize that this was a minor backlash, even in the hyperbolic world of gaming forums) then R. Mika would have had a less stupid outfit. But as it stands now, I'm sure they just made the change to put a band-aid on that situation in case the backlash grew to a substantial enough size that it might impact sales.
It would take more than some minor adjustments to achieve that.
lensoftruth
Member
This one decision yes, but we could get to a point where anything silly like this is gone.
Then we're left with strong language, and extreme neck slicing close-ups that no one has a problem with.
Essentially:
I can understand if the team wanted to moderate the character designs/actions - at least with the default outfits - to broaden appeal. But that's something you do at the beginning, not late in development in a half-assed way that still leaves "worse" elements that might offend the group you're worried about untouched. This pisses off people who like sexual fanservice, though I still argue the move actually made sense for Mika's character, but doesn't appease those who don't.
I can understand if the team wanted to moderate the character designs/actions - at least with the default outfits - to broaden appeal. But that's something you do at the beginning, not late in development in a half-assed way that still leaves "worse" elements that might offend the group you're worried about untouched. This pisses off people who like sexual fanservice, though I still argue the move actually made sense for Mika's character, but doesn't appease those who don't.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Magnet_Man
Member
But not Mika's thong, or the gigantic breast window?
Or Cammy's thong, her victory pose showing off her ass, her super art that freezes on her ass, or her victory animation where she spreads her legs in a delayed cartwheel?
Or Chun Li's wedgie, her Spinning Bird Kick that has her spread her legs and flips up her dress, or literally everything about her "HOT" costume which includes side-boob, very exposed breast view, and bare legs and back?
Or Laura's thong, bare mid-drift and exposed breasts?
And who knows how risque Mika's alt will be as well as everything a black widow seductress character like Juri will bring when she joins.
The biggest problem with these changes is that they aren't consistent. You can't claim to remove something like slapping one's butt (a direct reference to the character type Mika is spoofing / paying homage to) for the sake of playing down the sexuality of the game yet leave in ALL of that stated above which is much more prevalent during an actual fight and typical gameplay. It's vegetarian who loves having a weekly burger.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
When did anyone last win a professional wrestling match using their ass? Maybe Rikishi... In 2003. And that's only because he had a flabby ass and was forced to dress like a Samoan Sumo.
You forgot the /s tag there buddy.
Seriously?
Brutuspedia
Member
Some girls would feel bad about it the same way a some guys would feel bad with Zangief holding the mushroom head of his junk in a close-up camera.
So yes, I think it might make some girls feel bad playing it, and removing it makes no difference at all for guys.
If it makes such a difference for some one, I would recommend go to xvideos, "browse" it for 2 hours, and go back to SFV. I'm sure the his problem with the butt-slap removal wouldn't be that important anymore.
staticneuron
Member
lensoftruth
Member
It's a genre mostly played by guys, but is mostly inoffensive. Sexy girls and guys throwing fireballs at each other whilst clocking up crazy amounts of air-miles.
That would be hilarious, though.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
one of the better WWE divas uses that as her finisher...Naomi. It's called the rearview!
Laura and Mika biggest problem is that they don't seem to have any support for their breasts.
Put some sport bras by the love of god that must hurt !
lensoftruth
Member
No, it's called editing for market. Nier added strong language to it's dialogue to give it an "M" rating. Transformers the animated movie added one use of "shit" to the dialogue to make it a "PG" in the US.
Censorship is something forced. Massive difference.
~Devil Trigger~
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Zombegoast
Member
Meanwhile Poison and her Ultra 1 butt slapping was acceptable.
lensoftruth
Member
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
Still a stupid change considering everything else in the game.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Out of all the current crop of divas she's only a step above Eva Marie for botchamania. Bayley, Sasha Banks etc. wouldn't use the move.one of the better WWE diva's uses that as her finisher...Naomi. It's called the rearview!
NoctisVsStar
Member
The world has gone soft and PC. It's whatever.
Brutuspedia
Member
I can already image the petition to remove the junk close up, made by the same guys asking for butt-slap.
Well, I'm sure the kind of people who would be put off by the butt slap are still put off by the costumes. So I don't think it's an effective change to bring about the results Ono is looking for. And besides, I'm sure a lot of design and planning went into creating each of those animations, and it's a shame one is now awkwardly obscured by the camera pulling away. Just do what you want to do and the people who are into it are into it, and the people who aren't, aren't. Follow your dreams... Of butts.
Street Fighter isn't the work of an auteur. It's a very mainstream video game that they want to sell to as many people as possible. The reason why the game featured an ass-slapping pro wrestler wearing a revealing web of spandex is probably the same reason why they "censored" that ass slap: money.
lensoftruth
Member
Meanwhile Poison and her Ultra 1 butt slapping was acceptable.
Sexy.
It's funny, can't see anyone having an issue with this.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
naomi's great don't hate. Of course she's no sasha banks but none of them are
#boss
Ragnorok64
Member
What? This situation directly corresponds to the definition of Self-censorship as denoted in the link.
That's a thing real wrestlers do/approximate. Not the type of wrestler archetype that Zangief specially represents but if Capcom wanted to make a WWE style pretty boy heel wrestler character, such a person could pull that off with no shame. I refuse to believe any male consumer would avoid buying a SF game over that and I find it inconceivable that any consumer might be turned off from SFV by the buttslap but nothing else in the game.
There's usually at least one "clever" person who thinks they're the first to discover that one
I thought it was odd that in SFxT they didn't show the ass that was getting spanked, while in USF4 afterwards they did.Meanwhile Poison and her Ultra 1 butt slapping was acceptable.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
You've got it slightly twisted. The same people who were offended by the likes of SFII are the same ones offended by certain aspects of SFV. Only difference is, it's 2015, not 1992, and there are a lot more avenues for those voices to speak their concerns and garner attention for doing so today versus back then.
That's the only real difference.
Uhm...what makes you think guys were the only ones who enjoyed the buttslap?
On a side note, should I request Urien just stick to the suit b/c I might end up offended seeing he has a better physique than I do?
NoctisVsStar
Member
So what happens when the beach edition alts come out ?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Not true at all.
I don't particularly care about the butt-slaps being taken out. Works for me and I've got no complaints, as long as Hot Ryu remains. But you don't get to ignore the definition of terms.
radios shipping overview
Member
That sounds totally reasonable. They're trying to expand the audience. Much respect for them.
I'd wager it's far more likely the same people who find the buttslap offensive enough to be removed, would be the ones to complain about Zangief thrusting his crotch in the camera.
I'd be up for Urien adjusting himself, that thong can't be comfortable. Maybe make it his idle animation?
Femmeworth
Banned
Yep, that's PR speak. With some of the default outfits for the ladies, he ain't fooling me.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Their doing a bad job then with this reasoning.
Still, it's clear they wanted to include it in the game and were proud of it. It was after they released the character reveal that someone told them 'Guys, this might be offensive' and they obscured it. It's not censorship, but it is... Kinda lame.
The Spoony Hou
Member
I'm fine with them making the game they want, but if they want it "less offensive", they probably should have that type of thinking when they started making the game. Changing their stance midway through development will invariably cause some people to prefer the original view and complain about it.
Then again, those things might be inevitable.
Then again, those things might be inevitable.
lensoftruth
Member
So Nier was anti-censored or edited? I'm english so we may use it differently - censorship is a word I'd use when a change is forced and out of your control. Changing something because the US gaming bloggers have created massive issues about this is just making a version for the market.
SmoothRunningGun
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Just don't change Laura or I'm out.