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[Broder Salsa]

The Order: 1886 is pretty stunning though. I'd have to say it has closed the gap more than almost any other game to date.

I'm not saying it doesn't look great, it really does and that's actually one of the few games for next gen I'm excited for. But it's still not close to the stuff we have gotten in pre rendered trailers like the motorstorm one and I certainly don't blame the devs for that, it's just too far away hardware wise to do that.

 

[HoodWinked]

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...bullshots-9-notoriously-polished-screenshots/

heh this thread is like verbatim this site :3

 

[eso76]

I never really understood the outrage with halo 2 and 3 reveals.
It's cutscenes and I don't remember cutscenes being much worse in final games.
I never thought either halo reveal was much more impressive than retail. Different yes, but I don't remember the huge gap. I might need to watch h2 and 3 cutscenes again, though.

Now halo4 looks *exactly* like the screens posted before. Cutscenes in that game were absolutely bollocks.

 

[213372bu]

Blah.
Meant to post :

And that image of Master Chief lying down on this weird redesign of the Ghost in Halo 2, which was facing the opposite direction than it normally does. I think it was in OXM or something.

 

[DOWN]

I never really understood the outrage with halo 2 and 3 reveals.
It's cutscenes and I don't remember cutscenes being much worse in final games.
I never thought either halo reveal was much more impressive than retail. Different yes, but I don't remember the huge gap. I might need to watch h2 and 3 cutscenes again, though.

Now halo4 looks *exactly* like the screens posted before. Cutscenes in that game were absolutely bollocks.

This was the original

This is what it released as (hell, even this shot is higher res than the real game)

The public found one of those visuals way less dazzling.

 

[DodgyGeezerFella]

 

[jem0208]

Halo 4

Cutscene quality was up there with this.


Halo 4 had some god damn beautiful cutscenes.

 

[eso76]

This was the original

This is what it released as

The public found one of those visuals way less dazzling.

Yep, mc lacks the shininess and detail maps, but I'm sure one could find shots with less flat lighting and some dof that would look closer to the trailer.
My point is, there's nothing especially impressive about halo 3 reveal, I have no trouble believing it was realtime on x360, just being more of a tech demo (most poly and texture budget blown on mc etc)

 

[L Thammy]

Does Pokemon Battle Revolution count? They showed off environmental damage in the trailer that wasn't in the final game at all.

 

[Ominym]

Oh man, I had completely forgotten about this shot. What a flashback.

 

[DOWN]

Yep, mc lacks the shininess and detail maps, but I'm sure one could find shots with less flat lighting and some dof that would look closer to the trailer.
My point is, there's nothing especially impressive about halo 3 reveal, I have no trouble believing it was realtime on x360, just being more of a tech demo (most poly and texture budget blown on mc etc)

Oh, maybe you missed the earlier discussion, but part of the disappointment was that they did claim that this was realtime in game. And it is far more packed, sharp, and lit than the actual game.

I picked that "flat lighting" shot because that is the location and level that the reveal was captured at. And there really isn't anything that looks near as good as the reveal in the game. It just took a hit overall, and his visor is probably the most visible thing. It seems like the visor should be no big deal, but it was one of the most eye-catching effects we saw.

 

[zewone]

Lots of people don't know the difference between bullshots and dynamic cameras.

Some of the shots posted here look like the actual game, but are using cameras that look cool, but would not be considered playable.

I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

ahahaha
that dude's expression...

 

[Gestault]

This is what it released as

Looks all-right. We know that earlier demo was running on final hardware, based on the in-person interviews. The changes would have been about game-design more than any hardware limitations.

 

[Caayn]

Blah.
Meant to post :

And that image of Master Chief lying down on this weird redesign of the Ghost in Halo 2, which was facing the opposite direction than it normally does. I think it was in OXM or something.

Sorry but that looks just like the final game. If there's one thing 343i did well, it's that the game ended up looking like what was promised.

 

[Messofanego]

Hahaha I remember this so well!

Ubisoft are fantastic at bullshots.

Splinter Cell: Double Agent

How did I believe that would be possible for 2006?!

 

[Liquidsnake]

Wow. I forgot. Lol.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Apparently he was unable to go back in time and prevent his mother from marrying Biff.

LOl.

Snap.

 

[DOWN]

Lots of people don't know the difference between bullshots and dynamic cameras.

Some of the shots posted here look like the actual game, but are using cameras that look cool, but would not be considered playable.

I don't have a problem with that.

In the case of the AC photos that you said look like the game, I'm not sure where you played it. The console releases (which those shots promoted, as PC releases weren't launched until later) did not line up that way in timing or character contact, have those super resolutions with low aliasing, that lighting, or some of the effects. Ubisoft is guilty. It was even mentioned they have people specifically working on screenshot enhancements above.

Hahaha I remember this so well!

Ubisoft are fantastic at bullshots.

Splinter Cell: Double Agent


How did I believe that would be possible for 2006?!

Ubisoft man.

 

[Persona7]

Halo 4 looks incredible in motion.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

Amped. So much drama back then. After all the pressure Microsoft actually came out with a statement admitting that the screenshots were tampered with.

What I came to post and it's still glorious. I want to meet who made this and then whoever thought they could get away with it. Too damn funny.

 

[injurai]

huuhuuhuu

 

[Myths]

I don't get it? The game looks exactly like that.

EDIT: Whoosh.

'Whoosh' is right. No way the game is going to look exactly like that on both consoles down to the compression.

Hint: Use the "Difference" layer style with one screenshot plastered above the other in Photoshop.

 

[repeater]

That can't be a real screenshot. This is almost PS2 levels of IQ.
edit: oh it's the vita version.

To be fair, screenshots from the Vita's in-built functionality always look slightly worse when viewed on a monitor than the actual game does on the Vita. Still, the level of bullshotting going on here was truly remarkable.

 

[Horp]

Since so many games do this, we should probably have an opposite thread. "What games came out looking as good as, or better, than the trailers/screenshots before release?". Maybe there is such a thread already.

 

[eso76]

Oh, maybe you missed the earlier discussion, but part of the disappointment was that they did claim that this was realtime in game. And it is far more packed, sharp, and lit than the actual game.

I picked that "flat lighting" shot because that is the location and level that the reveal was captured at. And there really isn't anything that looks near as good as the reveal in the game. It just took a hit overall, and his visor is probably the most visible thing. It seems like the visor should be no big deal, but it was one of the most eye-catching effects we saw.

Yeah, well I never really believed or cared what mc looked like in my halo (whatever it looks like, the fact alone we see him, means the sshot/video is not representative of ingame) so that's why I never really paid much attention.

Gif posted above though, shows the game isn't THAT far off. I found a few pics, but they were taken with the built in bullshot generator, so posting them is meaningless.

 

[Gestault]

Yeah, well I never really believed or cared what mc looked like in my halo (whatever it looks like, the fact alone we see him, means the sshot/video is not representative of ingame) so that's why I never really paid much attention.

Gif posted above though, shows the game isn't THAT far off. I found a few pics, but they were taken with the built in bullshot generator, so posting them is meaningless.

I see the reflective visor brought up more than anything else, and it was in the game to basically the same degree. It was definitely a pre-generated environment map mixed with lighting events, but that's what we saw in the reveal.

 

[Winterfang]

Does Pokemon Battle Revolution count? They showed off environmental damage in the trailer that wasn't in the final game at all.

Holy Crap, what a bunch of BS.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Halo 4 is one of the best looking games last gen. Those aren't bullshots, it's just gorgeous.

 

[vg260]

too stupid to read the print as a kid.

Oh yeah, that one got me too. So mad.

Huh? How close is that to the actual sprites? I always thought that was the cool part about those boxes.

 

[TheOhrenberger.]

Halo 4

Halo 4 actually looks like that, or at least really close.

 

[mantidor]

Are people that desperate to post bullshots from Nintendo they are posting tech demos' screenshots? lol

Nintendo always somehow manages to make their screenshots look worst than the actual game, all tech demos were easily surpassed later in the consoles' lives anyway.

 

[eot]

Ubi are pretty good at this stuff haha.

 

[Cuburt]

too stupid to read the print as a kid.

Data East: The originator of the Bullshot

 

[CyclopsRock]

That was just a mockup screen to show the new UI, it was never labeled as in-game or real time.

Right, and they thought the best way to show off a UI was to put it on something that's not the game? They might not have told people it was in game, but... I mean, it is a game, and one that existed at the time too. I'm sure they didn't go too far out of their way to ensure people didn't get the wrong impression from that image.

 

[DOWN]

Guys, Halo 3 looked good. It just didn't look as good. ESPECIALLY the visor.

And gifs are not really a good source to compare bullshot polish to.

 

[DemonNite]

never forget the original "ostrich hammer"

 

[DarkFlow]

Halo 3 reveal.



This came much later.

Not sure why people are arguing over those thumbnail sized Halo 4 shots.

That trailer never once said it was in game. It was just a trailer to get people hyped up.

 

[chadboban]

Actually, I think the OTHER pic is a mistake too... isn't that OoT 3D? Maybe I'm wrong.

Nah, that's definitely OoT N64. Here's what Ganon's castle looked like in OoT3D

 

[DOWN]

That trailer never once said it was in game. It was just a trailer to get people hyped up.

You missed it back in 06 and you missed it in this thread, but yes, it was stated to be realtime in game footage by Bungie.

 

[Spazznid]

Many of the shots here are for games that only had console versions at launch or ever. I agree that super-sampling on PC game screenshots is less an issue. But on consoles where they know very well that they couldn't even hit 720p on games like AC?

AC is multi platform. As in PC. My AC games look like that for the most part.

 

[Noema]

Pic is like 9 years old and games still don't look this good.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Right, and they thought the best way to show off a UI was to put it on something that's not the game? They might not have told people it was in game, but... I mean, it is a game, and one that existed at the time too. I'm sure they didn't go too far out of their way to ensure people didn't get the wrong impression from that image.

Well I guess they could have put it over the 1.0 version screen, but it would be quite pointless because the game was about to undergo a total makeup. The point is, they barely started working on the game and they showed a concept render of the UI, because that's all they could offer. I'm pretty sure that's how is labeled in the PDF that screenshot comes from.

 

[DOWN]

AC is multi platform. As in PC. My AC games look like that for the most part.

Maybe you didn't read my post or didn't know that the AC screens used as examples here are the ones that launched without PC versions as console titles before they eventually got them?

 

[DarkFlow]

You missed it back in 06 and you missed it in this thread, but yes, it was stated to be realtime in game footage by Bungie.

When? It always looked CG to me. I can't find anything saying they said that.

 

[DOWN]

When? It always looked CG to me. I can't find anything saying they said that.

Yeah, it looked incredible and then the game lost a lot of flare.

I'm almost positive that in their vidoc following e3, bungie devs claimed that the demo was in engine and that was what the game was going to look like.

Edit: found it

http://youtu.be/14VuexP9UYE#t=07m01s

In case time linking isn't working... 7 mins in.

 

[Josh7289]

Easily Red Steel.

 

[WillyFive]

Actually, I think the OTHER pic is a mistake too... isn't that OoT 3D? Maybe I'm wrong.

Nope, it's the N64 game. And other than it being flipped horizontally, the Wii Zelda TP is graphically identical to the Gamecube game, unless you consider widescreen to be a difference.

 

[crozier]

That Zelda shot has fantastic art direction, but absolutely nothing looks like it would be beyond the capability of a Wii U.

 

[velociraptor]

only one I can think of that hasn't been mentioned yet is FFXIII

Bullshot. (notice the more advanced lighting, as well as the detail in the hair and clothing)

Final.


However this might qualify more as a development downgrade (ala Dark Souls 2)...?

That basically looks the same.

Dark Souls 2 on the other hand represents a 'generational' difference.