Tricky I Shadow
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Oh don't you dare! Don't you fucking dare not release this game!
Not having Shenmue III is bad enough!!! **cries uncontrollably**
Not having Shenmue III is bad enough!!! **cries uncontrollably**
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Zero Escape 3 (VLR sequel) "difficult to realize", problems with funding
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"God's Beard!"
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I liked both games' endings, but goddamn does the first 80% of each game drag serious ass.
SteveWinwood
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No he's experienced other stories and media, which is the only reason I can think of where someone would call Last of Us amazing and revolutionary.
Out_Of_Ammo
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A Sentient Keyboard
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Awww shit, I really really liked 999 and VLR. I hope someone can step in and fund this thing, or a kickstarter goes up, I'd gladly do my part.
Glittering Crux
Banned
Really sad to know the end of the trilogy may not be realized. The Zero Escape series has without a doubt one of the best stories in the industry and should have gotten a lot more attention than it did.
I'm surprised that they don't find it persuasive enough to get the money they need from Kickstarter. They never struck me as having that big of a budget though they did hire some well known VAs in VLR.
If anything I hope that if it isn't made within the next 10 years Uchikoshi makes a "choose your own adventure" book to unofficially finish off the series.
I'm surprised that they don't find it persuasive enough to get the money they need from Kickstarter. They never struck me as having that big of a budget though they did hire some well known VAs in VLR.
If anything I hope that if it isn't made within the next 10 years Uchikoshi makes a "choose your own adventure" book to unofficially finish off the series.
Napalm_Frank
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Simple:
Danganronpa 3=Zero Escape 3!
Danganronpa 3=Zero Escape 3!
This really sucks. I really do hope the game comes out someday. Preferably sometime this gen.
Why don't they release 999 and VLR on PC? I'm sure there are many people who are interested in the games but can't play them since they don't own a DS/3DS/Vita. It's much easier for PC games to spread through word-of-mouth and it could end up selling better than the other versions.
Why don't they release 999 and VLR on PC? I'm sure there are many people who are interested in the games but can't play them since they don't own a DS/3DS/Vita. It's much easier for PC games to spread through word-of-mouth and it could end up selling better than the other versions.
Yeah, I know about the whole dual screen thing in 999 but I'm sure they can figure out a way around it. Like they can just have two squares on the screen that represent both DS screens and then show them switching places for the big twist.
SpoonyBard
Banned
Damn, I imagined that the game was well in development already, but I guess not.
edit: I have never backed a kickstarter before, but ZE3 would make me do it without hesitation.
edit: I have never backed a kickstarter before, but ZE3 would make me do it without hesitation.
Lee Chaolan
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He's said he will find a way! I hope he has a budget enough to do the things he wants to, but if not, I'm thinking he will figure out a method to get the story out, he seems determined.
Done my part, tweeted and facebook to him.
Dangan vs Zero Escape xD
Also, I really hope that if Chunsoft does fund the game they don't try making even more dumb changes to try to appeal more to Japanese players. VLR was toned down because of it and I really hope ZE3 goes back to being as dark as 999.
They'd better not bring back Clover again or so help me god.
Machinehead
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I'll sell part of my game collection to help kickstart it, if necessary.
Please please please.
Please please please.
Byronic Hero
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DanganRonpa X Zero Escape.
Like Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney but with more despair, endings, rabbits and bears.
Lee Chaolan
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There is something satisfying about their attempt to make the game sell better by making it worse did not lead to more Japanese sales.
Aquamarine
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Any multi-millionaires here on GAF that want to finance a sequel to an excellent game?
Azure Phoenix
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Yeesh, I didn't think anything could hurt as much as the thought of BG&E's story never getting finished off but this easily tops that. I don't think most Zero Escape fans would care if they went back to budget 2D artwork, surely they could find a way to do this on a smaller scale budget.
Poetic.Injustice
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Anyone know how sales were outside Japan?
Space Medafighter X
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Damn, really depressing/surprising news. But I'm glad that hes not giving up!
Disappointing, but honestly unsurprising.
VLR's existence was the result of 999 becoming an unexpected sleeper hit in America. Hitting that kind of success twice is much easier said than done. The Phoenix Wright games, for instance, have sold less and less with each entry even though the first was a relative hit.
I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of the pitch for VLR was "we'll have strong sales in America, and we'll change it to get better sales in Japan." Uchikoshi's confirmed that VLR has less gore than 999, for instance, because they expected that to sell better in Japan. They also made a short animated PV and some pretty fanservicey side stuff in the leadup to VLR's Japanese release.
And then VLR, well...
The numbers say it all, and I would be honestly surprised to hear VLR significantly (if at all) surpassed 999's sales in America.
Now, this would be a tough enough situation even if the series was just making a bit of profit. Even then, Spike Chunsoft has other franchises that are much more lucrative that they could be putting staff onto. I've long suspected (but have yet to check the staff lists) there's some crossover between the Dangan Ronpa and ZE teams, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's more true than ever with two DR games in development. DR also scratches that 'dark' itch like ZE, but in a much more marketable way.
But this isn't even a case of the series being only a little profitable in Japan. If it's straight-up in the red over there, that's not something the company's going to want to risk offsetting with Western sales. Obviously, I can't speak to Spike Chunsoft and Aksys' licensing, but it seems reasonable to assume SC sees less profit from a Western copy than from a Japanese one.
And as ShockingAlberto said, if Uchikoshi's considered Kickstarter and been rebuffed, it's likely because he knows the goal they'd need from there is too much. VLR was pretty close to full voice; that isn't cheap. 3D modeling isn't cheap. And while it's tempting to say, "just drop that and go back to silent sprites", that doesn't look good for Spike Chunsoft to downgrade the final entry in one of their series.
Finally, remember that 999 was re-released on iOS and Android last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also an attempt to recoup costs and show the series could be profitable in Japan. I'm guessing it didn't go very well.
I hope an answer is found - I loved the ZE games and have been eager for the third - but it doesn't seem likely.
VLR's existence was the result of 999 becoming an unexpected sleeper hit in America. Hitting that kind of success twice is much easier said than done. The Phoenix Wright games, for instance, have sold less and less with each entry even though the first was a relative hit.
I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of the pitch for VLR was "we'll have strong sales in America, and we'll change it to get better sales in Japan." Uchikoshi's confirmed that VLR has less gore than 999, for instance, because they expected that to sell better in Japan. They also made a short animated PV and some pretty fanservicey side stuff in the leadup to VLR's Japanese release.
And then VLR, well...
The numbers say it all, and I would be honestly surprised to hear VLR significantly (if at all) surpassed 999's sales in America.
Now, this would be a tough enough situation even if the series was just making a bit of profit. Even then, Spike Chunsoft has other franchises that are much more lucrative that they could be putting staff onto. I've long suspected (but have yet to check the staff lists) there's some crossover between the Dangan Ronpa and ZE teams, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's more true than ever with two DR games in development. DR also scratches that 'dark' itch like ZE, but in a much more marketable way.
But this isn't even a case of the series being only a little profitable in Japan. If it's straight-up in the red over there, that's not something the company's going to want to risk offsetting with Western sales. Obviously, I can't speak to Spike Chunsoft and Aksys' licensing, but it seems reasonable to assume SC sees less profit from a Western copy than from a Japanese one.
And as ShockingAlberto said, if Uchikoshi's considered Kickstarter and been rebuffed, it's likely because he knows the goal they'd need from there is too much. VLR was pretty close to full voice; that isn't cheap. 3D modeling isn't cheap. And while it's tempting to say, "just drop that and go back to silent sprites", that doesn't look good for Spike Chunsoft to downgrade the final entry in one of their series.
Finally, remember that 999 was re-released on iOS and Android last year. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also an attempt to recoup costs and show the series could be profitable in Japan. I'm guessing it didn't go very well.
I hope an answer is found - I loved the ZE games and have been eager for the third - but it doesn't seem likely.
Linkstrikesback
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A Sentient Keyboard
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The soundtrack of this thread.
(Stay out of the comments if you haven't completed the games yet, obviously.)
I also just realized that if there won't be a ZE3, I'll never get another chance to get one of those awesome preorder watches without spending $100 on ebay :<
(Stay out of the comments if you haven't completed the games yet, obviously.)
I also just realized that if there won't be a ZE3, I'll never get another chance to get one of those awesome preorder watches without spending $100 on ebay :<
timetokill
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They really should've just gone with sprites and no voice acting again. 999 didn't have all the bells and whistles and it was a better experience and better game. The improvements in flow made by VLR are all in interface and navigation, the presentation is whatever.
Anyway I hope they do a kickstarter.
Anyway I hope they do a kickstarter.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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SOLD!
I would support the hell out of a ZE3 Kickstarter... Hyper-Fan Super Deluxe Physical Edition for 3DS and Vita? $250? SOLD!!
The interface and navigation changes made it "playable". They're important.
Voice acting wasn't necessary, but they hit the ball out of the park with the English voices (I've heard the JP voices were good too).
The 3D wasn't necessary, I would not have missed it.
If Uchikoshi gets the money to do a third game, ideally I'd like it to be 2D, voice acted, and carry over the interface from VLR. I mean, more than anything I just want it to happen so that the cliffhanger in my soul can be unraveled, but I'd also prefer that it's executed well.
Totally knew what it was going to be before I even clicked the link. So sad and beautiful.
Princess Viola
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I've tweeted to the dude and I would seriously fund it if it came to having to be Kickstarted or whatever.
SatelliteOfLove
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Interesting that this concept rises once again. It's perfect barring 999s ending.
Which would explain the DR push
I find most of the art direction, character design, and extreme padding of most other VNs off-putting compared to these, so it seems more a perfection rather than a revolution.
Just looked up the prices. Goddamn those prices are high. Are people really buying them for $100+? Although there is a bid on eBay for a used VLR watch that's currently just at $5.
Linkstrikesback
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It was helped by the fact it was a DS game, I think.
I don't want to sit at my pc/laptop reading for any significant period of time. It's a whole different ball game when I can chill in bed with my DS/3DS/Vita. If there were more of these on the handhelds, I'd be all in. Soon danganronpa, soon.
RurouniZel
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Fuck!
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i think it was a big mistake to give the series more of a budget. it didn't really need to have anything more than speechless text and hand-drawn images. the anime stuff wasn't necessary either. now they can't go back, even though i think the end product would be a lot cleaner.
OniBarubary
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This could be something where we're able to convince someone to try a Kickstarter.
He realizes how much of a following the series has in the West and he also is aware of Kickstarter if not altogether believing in it. If people find some way to group everyone together as some sort of mass assemblage to let him know how many people are interested as well as how much they'd be willing to pay individually, it may be something to get him to even try it. I mean...why the hell not? Convince him enough to even put a Kickstarter up. And if it fails, it fails. But why not fucking try? If your options are "This game I really want to make doesn't get made" vs "There is a slight chance this game might get made, even if the path to get there is somewhat troublesome" which one would you choose?
He realizes how much of a following the series has in the West and he also is aware of Kickstarter if not altogether believing in it. If people find some way to group everyone together as some sort of mass assemblage to let him know how many people are interested as well as how much they'd be willing to pay individually, it may be something to get him to even try it. I mean...why the hell not? Convince him enough to even put a Kickstarter up. And if it fails, it fails. But why not fucking try? If your options are "This game I really want to make doesn't get made" vs "There is a slight chance this game might get made, even if the path to get there is somewhat troublesome" which one would you choose?
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