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Installing game every Act (MGS4). Is this a good trend of game loading?
- Thread starter gconsole
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I don't see the big deal, believe it or not.
If it was like, installing inbetween room transitions, I'd be pretty peeved, but a short install inbetween chapter breaks is and was no real issue for me.
It's still preferred over multi discs and or 45 minute initial installs.
If it was like, installing inbetween room transitions, I'd be pretty peeved, but a short install inbetween chapter breaks is and was no real issue for me.
It's still preferred over multi discs and or 45 minute initial installs.
The Faceless Master
Member
well, remember a 20GB PS3 with 10GB set aside for a Linux partition only has 8.6GB free (and that's with nothing else on the drive) so the max install size can only be so big before it starts to get into mucky territory...MrTroubleMaker said:
chubigans said:
Nobody's arguing that DVD "is a much more viable format than Blu-ray". It's just a fact that what's the point of having a larger capacity disc when you can't stream data off it fast enough and devs have to resort to prior installations in order to get their games to perform?
ElyrionX said:
100% agree
i hate installations - especially clustered ones like in MGS4. if i would like them, i would play on pc. but i playing console games, because i dont have (or had) bothering about such nonesense.
some examples:
- MGS4 (4.6GB)
- Bourne conspiracy (5GB)
- Quake Wars (4.1GB minimum)
- Turning Point (2.56GB)
- Civ Revo (687MB)
- Dark Sector (1.37GB)
- Haze (5GB)
- GTA 4 (3+GB)
Zedsdeadbaby
Banned
People who would 'gladly accept' multiple installs throughout the course of the game - repeatedly I might add ! - are either plain strange or masochistic. Why is it a good thing? I thought the initial install was bad enough, then I realized I needed to install again for act 1 - then again for the next 4 acts. And then it got even worse when I wanted to load up different sections of the game only to be forced to install again and again and again.
I'm currently doing two playthroughs - a Big Boss playthrough, and an exploration/weapons playthrough. It really does not help that I'm in one act for the Big Boss playthrough, and another for the exploration and I have to reinstall every time I switch between those two game saves. And yet people say it's a good thing? Fucking slavering fanboyism that's what it is. This install system is also why the game has no theatre mode and no boss rush mode. Why don't you think about that for a minute.
I'm currently doing two playthroughs - a Big Boss playthrough, and an exploration/weapons playthrough. It really does not help that I'm in one act for the Big Boss playthrough, and another for the exploration and I have to reinstall every time I switch between those two game saves. And yet people say it's a good thing? Fucking slavering fanboyism that's what it is. This install system is also why the game has no theatre mode and no boss rush mode. Why don't you think about that for a minute.
drakesfortune
Directions: Pull String For Uninformed Rant
They need to add a patch where I can just install the whole thing and leave it on there. I'm not sure why they don't do this. I bought a huge HD, and MGS4 is one of those games that I don't ever want to delete and don't really care how much HD space it's taking up. I do mind having to install at the beginning of every section every single time I play the game though. Just leave the shit on there for fucks sake.
At the end of the day though, it's one of the best games ever made, and I will deal with this minor flaw and not let it ruin the game for me. Now if this were a siphon filter or a ghost recon or something, I would not be so forgiving.
At the end of the day though, it's one of the best games ever made, and I will deal with this minor flaw and not let it ruin the game for me. Now if this were a siphon filter or a ghost recon or something, I would not be so forgiving.
womfalcs3
Banned
I don't mind them. I could wait a few minutes between each act or wait a while longer in the beginning. I'm indifferent about either design choice. Also, each act is pretty lengthy, so it's not like you have to do it constantly. So far, it's taken me an average of 5 hours to complete an act. That's days (or even a week when I have a lot to do) worth for playing for me.
ElyrionX said:
Load times between areas are about 5 seconds, and the area's are considerably larger than any other game of it's scope. Coupled with the near instant loads of camo, different kinds of costumes, different enemies w/different weapons, near instant codec convo's, very quick loading of cutscenes, etc...yes, it comes at the benefit of the game.
Especially when you consider the game has no pop in or texture loading.
OR do you think the game has 10 second load times, and 20 minute installs still (even though you've been proven wrong already multiple times).
If the reason they couldn't give the options of one full install are indeed Sony guidelines of 5GB maximum per game, those should be changed. Sony was nice enough to let us get high capacity HDDs in our PS3s very cheaply. Let us use them as well.
The whole "trade installations for disc swaps" line of thinking is completely meaningless because of this.
Except it can stream data just as quickly as 360 can (from DL DVDs). We went over this in 5 threads already.ElyrionX said:
The whole "trade installations for disc swaps" line of thinking is completely meaningless because of this.
The Faceless Master
Member
well, it'd be 12 minutes if it took you all day to get to act 3...tha_con said:
The Faceless Master
Member
no, it can't.Durante said:
Zedsdeadbaby said:
Not really. The idea of having to keep up with four discs doesn't appeal to me at all. I rather have short installs where I keep myself entertained for two minutes than have four discs to the game. (I have three CD 200+ binders, and the less space one game takes up, the better).
Zedsdeadbaby
Banned
Tain said:
Eh? I don't know what you're talking about, those two aren't even remotely similair. One game makes you install it several times at a few minutes each, the other loads for a minute after you turn it on and never ever loads again throughout the campaign in one sitting.
chubigans said:
What the fuck does changing discs have to do with anything?
ElyrionX said:
I don't think it was that long but yeah that loading screen really pissed me off. Even after I used the bathroom it was still loading. Don't know why though since I can stand installs of games on my computer. Guess I'm just not used to them on consoles. Anyway I just played a little of hot shots golf while I waited for it to install.
Clinton514
Member
What? Please do explain to use the technical architecture of the game. And how do you get "fanboyism" out of people not being bothered by installations?Zedsdeadbaby said:
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Because that's what it took to get the game's engine performing acceptably. Sure it isn't something I'd ask for, but hey, it's there and it makes the game run fantastically. I am not complaining.Zedsdeadbaby said:
tha_con said:
:lol you MGS defence peeps like to be banned, don't you? I hope you are getting paid for this shit.
Whether it's the fault of Kojima, or Blu-ray's limitations, these installing times suck. And as mentioned repeatedly, they don't get rid on regular loading times while playing the game as well. It scares me away.
The Faceless Master
Member
is that really necessary?Draft said:
good question though.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I personally think it's a great trend. I would love more games to offer a 2 minute install after certain sections if it meant better games.
The Faceless Master said:
Yet Act 3 is a perfect example of the install being beneficial. You're riding High Speed through an area (HUGE area) for how many minutes, and only 2 loading sequences that last a few seconds each? No pop in, no texture loading, and the transition into multiple camera angles instantly and the extremely fast transition to cutscenes...yea, I'm not buying the complaints, it's nothing more than a double standard.
No one had issues with GTA IV's long ass load times on BOTH systems, and praised it. The word 'install' makes people get their damn panties in a bunch and they cry their bitter eyes out. It's stupid.
But, as usual, people will complain just for the sake of complaining. If it were on multiple discs and had long load times, people would still cry their bitter eyes out.
News at 11.
Metalmurphy
Member
Using your own words, I guess you're too dumb to realize that Bluray isn't the problem...ElyrionX said:
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
What really matters most is that I have played through this excellent game. Who gives a shit about something that is going to help the game. I know there are some in this thread who have not even completed/played the game, get out. You should feel jealous since you haven't experienced one of the best games created. Installs are not what I'll remember about this game.
Continue your nagging.
Continue your nagging.
BoilersFan23
Member
I think part of the reason may be (although I have not researched it) a dual layered DVD has a slower read speed than a single layer DVD. I'm thinking a Dual layered Blu-ray has an even slower read speed than a single layer blu-ray, which may be why we had this.
Oh well let's do this again.The Faceless Master said:
PS3's BR read speed is 9 MB/s CLV (over the whole disc)
360's DL DVD read speed is 4.36MB/s - 10.57MB/s CAV (varying from center to outer parts of the disc, average ~7.93MB/s)
Seriously, this has to be one of the greatest hardware myths this generation. I'm getting tired of it.
Zedsdeadbaby
Banned
Clinton514 said:
Use your brain:
Boss X is in Act Y
Boss Z is in Act V
Installation of both Act Y and V required if you want to do bosses X and Z one after the other in boss rush mode ala Snake Eater. And as for people saying multiple installs is a 'good' thing (nice to see you twist the fact that some people said 'it's a good thing' towards 'not bothered by it' btw), that kind of thing only comes from bias, there is absolutely nothing good, MGS4 is broken up in chunks of minutes-long installs that have to be repeated, breaking suspension of belief like a baby through a window.
Metalmurphy
Member
I don't really care for the installs and wish it could've been done differently. Because it's not like the installs cut back on the loading. There's 5-7 sec loading between cut-scenes and certain parts of the acts on top of the initial 8 minute install loading and 3 minute loading of each act. The loading and installs break the flow and take you out of this masterpiece of a cine-game.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
Oh yeah, I feel bad now, I forgot about the 20GB HDD setup like that. The first thing I did was to put a large HDD in the PS3 and haven't thought about it much since.The Faceless Master said:
Metalmurphy
Member
Zedsdeadbaby said:
Erm... They could easily just install the boss data instead of the whole act you know...
The Faceless Master
Member
i do have to say one thing.. if the game said NOW LOADING for two minutes instead of PRESS X TO INSTALL ACT 3, a lot less people would be complaining...tha_con said:
