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Brutally beaten and detained Palestinian boy, is American teen from Florida

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RustyNails

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soul said:
You are telling me not to copy/paste info when he just did the exact same thing? You are clearly biased and searching desperately for posts you agree with. Anyway, I'm sorry, but I do not trust any source that has a title header of "Occupied Palestinian Territory". Straight-up I know that info will be biased against Israel so I'm not even bothering with it.
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Woah hold up. If its not occupied palestinian territory, then what is it?
 
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dripdripsplash

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Quotient said:
I don't know what you are trying to prove. I could always post pictures of a school bus of children after a suicide bomber did his "thing".

Neither side are innocent. it is not a black and white scenario. Both side are responsible for some pretty reprehensible acts.
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I think the point went way over your head mate.

What I'm trying to say is forced expulsion of ones home and land is the source of a lot of hate in alot of Palestinians. This must be rectified in my opinion.
 
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Linkhero1

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soul said:
You are telling me not to copy/paste info when he just did the exact same thing? You are clearly biased and searching desperately for posts you agree with. Anyway, I'm sorry, but I do not trust any source that has a title header of "Occupied Palestinian Territory". Straight-up I know that info will be biased against Israel so I'm not even bothering with it.
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Do you read what you type before posting? Then again, I shouldn't be surprised.
 
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dripdripsplash

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And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;

He is an IDF soldier:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44523872&postcount=2656

If it wasn't outlawed and I was still in my service, in case my life was on the line, I might. Who knows, it's all different when you're out there. I was a soldier a long time ago and never broke any international or domestic law. The only ones who did are the terrorists who tried to blow up in my face over a thousand times.
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Implying use of civilian as a human shield:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525898&postcount=2745

I implied it? by saying what, I protected myself? I think every soldier protects himself. The fact "human shield" was the main topic in the thread in that exact moment is something entirely else.

However, I did admit, if I was still in service and times would get rough, I just might use it if it could save my life. Guess I'll never know.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525479&postcount=2720

Hmmm, several things, now that you all accused me of being a war criminal:

- I said that as far as I'm concerned that tactic is O.K, depends on the situation, and if I was still in service, I might use it.
- I said I protected myself during my service, never stated how.
- True enough, I won't post specifics because it's none of your damn business.

You people are quick to conclusions, if only you were smart enough to condemn Hamas for using civilians as you did when you thought I did as well. Lol.
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Who also says stuff like:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631040&postcount=3164

Do you know what a Palestinian is? There is no such thing, it is not a real nation, those are people gathered together from parts of the Muslim world that somehow ended up in Gaza. In reality they have no "real home", they were kicked out from everywhere, last iirc from Egypt or Syria. Most of the Palestinians are living in Jordan, it is a fact.
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And:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631273&postcount=3180

The Christians are mostly located at Bet Lehem and do not cause riots as their fellow Palestinian Muslims, which is why their areas are quite and prosperous.
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Oh and this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21630560&postcount=3140

I will never leave Israel for this is home. Call me whatever you want, a fanatic nut etc etc, but we are growing up on the belief that God has promised this land to us, it is our country, not the Palestinians, their "home" is Jordan for most Palestinians are living there, if they want to "go back home" they can leave to there...t.
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And just for good measure, this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631664&postcount=3196

The Torah states that "Haba Leorgeha Hashkem Leorgo"; If you know someone is coming to kill you, wake up early kill him before. The Palestinians are, in fact, coming to kill us. Although we are only retaliating in the last few years, we did use pre-emptive attacks throughout history, for example the '67 war.
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I'm not trying to undermine his argument (IMO he does that perfectly well himself) but he isn't the most well-balanced objective guy in the world.

Edit: made some quotes more clear as not to try to frame them in a specific way.
 
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Chumly

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Quotient said:
I don't know what you are trying to prove. I could always post pictures of a school bus of children after a suicide bomber did his "thing".

Neither side are innocent. it is not a black and white scenario. Both side are responsible for some pretty reprehensible acts.
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I'm sorry but this is a bullshit argument. Yes both sides are not innocent but stop painting it in an everyone is bad scenario. The blame is not equal. Israel has all of the power in the relationship and they have continually made it worse.
 
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nib95

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Amjad said:
And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;

He is an IDF soldier, outlawed for unknown reasons:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44523872&postcount=2656



Implying use of civilian as a human shield:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525898&postcount=2745



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525479&postcount=2720



Who also says stuff like:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631040&postcount=3164



And:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631273&postcount=3180



Oh and this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21630560&postcount=3140



And just for good measure, this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631664&postcount=3196



I'm not trying to undermine his argument (IMO he does that perfectly well himself) but he isn't the most well-balanced objective guy in the world.
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Fucking hell. Genuinely the scariest detective GAF history I've ever had the displeasure to read through.
 
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vas_a_morir

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RustyNails said:
soul this is how you research, not copy paste hasbara facebook bullshit.
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Not disagreeing or taking any sides... but if I might play Devil's Advocate, neither is the way to research. Both using only one source. You'd get an F in any University department in America for that.
 
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Quotient

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Amjad said:
I think the point went way over your head mate.

What I'm trying to say is forced expulsion of ones home and land is the source of a lot of hate in alot of Palestinians. This must be rectified in my opinion.
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I don't disagree with you about the settlements, though whenever Israeli has dissolved settlements, it hasn't resulted in fewer terror attacks by Palestinian militants or significantly helped the peace process.

I personally am against the settlements.

If Israeli withdraws all settlements it will not bring peace any closer.
 
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Hyperactivity

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Amjad said:
And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;

He is an IDF soldier, outlawed for unknown reasons:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44523872&postcount=2656



Implying use of civilian as a human shield:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525898&postcount=2745



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44525479&postcount=2720



Who also says stuff like:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631040&postcount=3164



And:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631273&postcount=3180



Oh and this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21630560&postcount=3140



And just for good measure, this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21631664&postcount=3196



I'm not trying to undermine his argument (IMO he does that perfectly well himself) but he isn't the most well-balanced objective guy in the world.
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I thought tha tag was bad enough

EDIT: Going to reserve that exact term as it seems it may or may not have been entirely correct to do so, but the things mentioned in those quotes still disgusts me to no end.
 
Laughing Banana

Laughing Banana

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Calling the Americans full of "Pro Palestinian Bias" in the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict is *seriously* one of the funniest things I have ever read in GAF.
 
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Hypemaster

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Amjad said:
And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;

He is an IDF soldier, outlawed for unknown reasons:


I'm not trying to undermine his argument (IMO he does that perfectly well himself) but he isn't the most well-balanced objective guy in the world.
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OMG
 
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Chariot

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Amjad said:
And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;

He is an IDF soldier, outlawed for unknown reasons:
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Wow, yes that gives a big context to the things he says. Goodness gratious.
 
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Trax

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Amjad said:
And people please stop taking soul serious.

I hate to be that guy who looks in peoples history but I remember another thread with soul that has some very interesting tidbits of information;
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Holy shit man, that person is fucking dangerous.
 
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badb0y

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Wow, the worst thing about the dude's post history was how he completely denationalized Palestinian people. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
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Chariot

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CesspoolofHatred said:
I think we might be making GAF history here. Do the mods have a policy for this?
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I dunno, can somebody be banned for somethung that has nothing to do with the forum? I think his mindless palestina bashing could lead to something, but not what he has done as a soldier. I think this kind of stuff is a litzle bit heavy for moserators to judge, even if seems pretty clear in this case.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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Chariot said:
I dunno, can somebody be banned for somethung that has nothing to do with the forum? I think his mindless palestina bashing could lead to something, but not what he has done as a soldier. I think this kind of stuff is a litzle bit heavy for moserators to judge, even if seems pretty clear in this case.
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There was that one slave trade denialist that was banned for being batshit insane. Seems like this soul guy is heading down that path, especially with this quote.

Do you know what a Palestinian is? There is no such thing, it is not a real nation, those are people gathered together from parts of the Muslim world that somehow ended up in Gaza. In reality they have no "real home", they were kicked out from everywhere, last iirc from Egypt or Syria. Most of the Palestinians are living in Jordan, it is a fact.
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And this one too, which seems to be advocating GENOCIDE.

The Torah states that "Haba Leorgeha Hashkem Leorgo"; If you know someone is coming to kill you, wake up early kill him before. The Palestinians are, in fact, coming to kill us.... .
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Jonm1010

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Am I wrong for wanting to keep him around for the sheer entertainment factor of it all?

At this point I'm just fascinated to see him possibly come back and try and defend some of these posts.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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Does anybody know what it takes to be outlawed from the IDF?

I'm morbidly curious in seeing just how bad this guy could be. I'm looking it up myself right now.

ThoseDeafMutes said:
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WAIT WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW EVERYBOLDY HOLD ON



Terra nullis!
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Hi Mister Mod!

Having trouble going through the topic? Everyone's mostly up about a guy named soul. He thinks that a UN report is "biased against Israel".

He's a pretty funny guy when he's not horrifying. As we found out further up this page!
 
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ThoseDeafMutes

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CesspoolofHatred said:
Does anybody know what it takes to be outlawed from the IDF?

I'm morbidly curious in seeing just how bad this guy could be. I'm looking it up myself right now.
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Amjad seems to be misreading the post, it doesn't say he was outlawed (that sentence wouldn't make much sense anyway), he was saying that the practice was outlawed.
 
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Interceptor

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Jonm1010 said:
Am I wrong for wanting to keep him around for the sheer entertainment factor of it all?

At this point I'm just fascinated to see him possibly come back and try and defend some of these posts.
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Can't see nothing wrong with those. ^^
And lol at the genocide comment. Way to misquote someone.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Amjad seems to be misreading the post, it doesn't say he was outlawed (that sentence wouldn't make much sense anyway), he was saying that the practice was outlawed.
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Ah, yeah, now that I look at it again that does make more sense.

So he's probably not a war criminal, yay!

Interceptor said:
Can't see nothing wrong with those. ^^
And lol at the genocide comment. Way to misquote someone.
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I'm just sorta goin' off what was linked. Seemed to be a clear implication to me.

Maybe I just need sleep, though.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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Laughing Banana said:
He may be not a war criminal but he is a posting criminal that's for sure.

To claim that Americans are full of pro-palestinian bias in this whole conflict.... I don't even.
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Everything up to and including the interpretation of him using "human shields" seems to be in question. They're probably complete misinterpretations of the quotes.

Everything below that is less muddied and more clear. At least from the information that I've seen based on looking at the linked posts directly.

The bottom one especially - the one where he says "If you know someone is coming to kill you, wake up early kill him before" - has another part where he appears to use this logic to justify some of the preemptive attacks against Palestinians earlier in history:

soul said:
Although we are only retaliating in the last few years, we did use pre-emptive attacks throughout history, for example the '67 war.
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Though I'll admit that could be less justification and more admitting shame to the whole thing.

There's also the fact that these quotes are, like, 4 years old. That would probably make things less clear as well.
 
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Xun

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FelixOrion said:
I just can't wrap my head around why Israel gets a free pass on shit, especially from the us. Fuck Israel. It's so frustrating to watch.
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It's a real shame, but I can't say I'm surprised given the demographic and ancestry in America.
 
Laughing Banana

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
CesspoolofHatred said:
Everything up to and including the interpretation of him using "human shields" seems to be in question. They're probably complete misinterpretations of the quotes.

Everything below that is less muddied and more clear. At least from the information that I've seen based on looking at the linked posts directly.

The bottom one especially - the one where he says "If you know someone is coming to kill you, wake up early kill him before" - has another part where he appears to use this logic to justify some of the preemptive attacks against Palestinians earlier in history:



Though I'll admit that could be less justification and more admitting shame to the whole thing.
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Well, I am not comfortable on accusing anyone of being a war criminal without a really strong case since really, it's one of those terms that you reserve exclusively for a truly horrible human being.

But that post of his that I referred to really made me guffaw.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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Laughing Banana said:
Well, I am not comfortable on accusing anyone of being a war criminal without a really strong case since really, it's one of those terms that you reserve exclusively for a truly horrible human being.

But that post of his that I referred to really made me guffaw.
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Yeah, "war criminal" is one of those terms you don't really toss around lightly. Didn't really see the likelier interpretation of that first quote until ThoseDeafMutes pointed it out. I just sorta saw Hyperactivity say "we have a war criminal on GAF" and I went "wait, what". That's my bad.

But yeah, he's certainly.... interesting?

Back on topic (since I have a feeling we're gonna be told to get back on track), I've been paying a little bit of attention to the overall Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Not much, but enough to know that between this and the taking of farmland, something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

I hope that this encourages a closer look at what's going on over there, and possibly further action from the UN, as opposed to being a one-off staredown between the US and Israel over the detainment of an American citizen.
 
Vindicator

Vindicator

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The way some far right Israelis are acting, they shouldn't be offended by other nationalist dumbasses wearing shirts with "6 million satisfied customers" printed on them.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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CesspoolofHatred said:
Back on topic (since I have a feeling we're gonna be told to get back on track), I've been paying a little bit of attention to the overall Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Not much, but enough to know that between this and the taking of farmland, something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

I hope that this encourages a closer look at what's going on over there, and possibly further action from the UN, as opposed to being a one-off staredown between the US and Israel over the detainment of an American citizen.
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Don't worry, I think this time the world through the UN is going to really get involved, pay attention and smooth things out.
 
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Partial Gamification

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Vindicator said:
The way some far right Israelis are acting, they shouldn't be offended by other nationalist dumbasses wearing shirts with "6 million satisfied customers" printed on them.
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The Holocaust is one of the most offensive events humanity has had to endure. This is not what fosters positive communication. Even if you truly believe this is the level that it has reached, recognize how stupidly offensive what you suggest really is.
 
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OverBlood 3

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When I asked is there an Israeli defense force, I was wondering what sort of person would defend that sort of behavior. Turns out the defense force is essentially a war criminal* which makes so much sense.

*Or not...a lunatic whatever.
 
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Yagharek

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Vindicator said:
The way some far right Israelis are acting, they shouldn't be offended by other nationalist dumbasses wearing shirts with "6 million satisfied customers" printed on them.
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Not cool.

Israel deserves criticism for its political policies as do the people who support its treatment of Palestine.

But that is completely different issue to the events of ww2.
 
Vindicator

Vindicator

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There are many offensive Holocaust jokes done by Israeli Comedians.

Anyway, sorry for that maybe too drastic comparison.

It's hard to read about "vaccinating" Aethiopian Imigrants in order to sterilize them, or poisoning Prisoners so they won't survive too long when they're out. Even if it's just negative propaganda towards Israel,perhaps like "Settlers try to kidnap 7-year-old in Beit Hanina" last Friday.

It's just an endless spiral of Violence, people behaving like animals be it with High-Tech weapons or Rocks.
 
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Yagharek

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There basically needs to be a critical mass of people in Israel and Palestine that are able to withstand base desires to retaliate for everything that the idiots on both sides do. Throw in some significant reigning in of the right wing settlers and some pragmatic negotiations and maybe there might be some future for the region.
 
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Hyperactivity

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CesspoolofHatred said:
Yeah, "war criminal" is one of those terms you don't really toss around lightly. Didn't really see the likelier interpretation of that first quote until ThoseDeafMutes pointed it out. I just sorta saw Hyperactivity say "we have a war criminal on GAF" and I went "wait, what". That's my bad.

But yeah, he's certainly.... interesting?

Back on topic (since I have a feeling we're gonna be told to get back on track), I've been paying a little bit of attention to the overall Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Not much, but enough to know that between this and the taking of farmland, something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

I hope that this encourages a closer look at what's going on over there, and possibly further action from the UN, as opposed to being a one-off staredown between the US and Israel over the detainment of an American citizen.
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Changed what my post said. I understand that the exact term may not have been appropriate, but it still stands that this disgusts me. I apologize for not adequately waiting before posting.

Also was going through that thread and was seeing similar posts and my mind just sort of adopted that idea

Back on topic, I really wish for the conflict to somehow peacefully stop, as I believe such a thing happening would be one of the largest steps towards peace in the ME that can happen at this point
 
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Jigorath

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OverBlood 3 said:
When I asked is there an Israeli defense force, I was wondering what sort of person would defend that sort of behavior. Turns out the defense force is essentially a war criminal* which makes so much sense.

*Or not...a lunatic whatever.
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I'm not going to defend what happened, it's absolutely horrible, but there's no reason to attack an entire country over the actions of a few terrible people.
 
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Particle Physicist

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Yagharek said:
There basically needs to be a critical mass of people in Israel and Palestine that are able to withstand base desires to retaliate for everything that the idiots on both sides do. Throw in some significant reigning in of the right wing settlers and some pragmatic negotiations and maybe there might be some future for the region.
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I agree, but at the same time I feel like that is never going to happen. Jerusalem is also a big sticking point for each side. I feel like for anything to actually work, maybe Jerusalem should be made an independent international city but there is no way that would ever happen either. Not while either side has control of it.
 
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