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Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Unfortunately for me I played SF1 AFTER SF2.
It's almost as bad as playing that other SF1 after SF2.
Even little things like the cursor moving faster and the spritework being just a bit tighter puts SF2 over. Then you factor in the less retarded AI, the better character balance, the larger variety in character designs and abilities, explorable overworld, special promotions, more interesting battles, and just an overall better designed game and well there you go.
Hell even the SF1 GBA remake isn't any better than SF2 and it hit how many years afterward? In fact it can be argued that the SF1 GBA remake is actually worse than SF1 vanilla. Depressing indeed.
It's almost as bad as playing that other SF1 after SF2.
Even little things like the cursor moving faster and the spritework being just a bit tighter puts SF2 over. Then you factor in the less retarded AI, the better character balance, the larger variety in character designs and abilities, explorable overworld, special promotions, more interesting battles, and just an overall better designed game and well there you go.
Hell even the SF1 GBA remake isn't any better than SF2 and it hit how many years afterward? In fact it can be argued that the SF1 GBA remake is actually worse than SF1 vanilla. Depressing indeed.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Grug said:
Mario Golf 64>>>Mario Power Tennis>>>Mario Tennis 64>>>>>>Mario Golf TT
As far as console Camelot Mario Sports games go at least!
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Oh by the way here's a beastly party that'll destroy practically everyone in the game:
Karna- Granted you won't get for awhile but if you give her the Vigor Ball and make her a master monk not only will you have a killer fighter but you'll also have a fantastic healer since she can cast Aura and Heal(as a bonus she'll level extremely quickly since healing spells always give decent exp)
Bowie- You're stuck with him but hey at least he's great.
Peter- Probably the best strict melee character in the game, no reason to ever take him out of your party.
Slade- Sucks as a thief but after hitting Ninja he becomes a great fighter and his spells give him a good ability to work with on the side. He can also use a weapon that can kill most enemies in one or two strikes...worth it? I think so
Gerhalt- Another insane melee character. Give him a running pimento though because his movement sucks.
Frayja- A fantastic healer since like Karna he has access to Aura. Really can't go wrong with this dude ever.
Sheela- A master monk...never can have too many of those.
Kazin- As a mage he's decent but once he becomes a Sorceror he gains some of the most powerful spells in the game. By the final battle he can perform some devastating stuff that'll wipe entire groups of the toughest monsters.
May or Rohde- Either one is fine(though I prefer May) as a good sniper is always helpful and can wear enemies down for the melee characters to finish off.
Randolf- If you're going to get a Baron why not go for the guy who will gain +1 to movement when he gets a promotion? Movement is extremely important in this game.
For the other two characters it's up to you really. I'm partial to Zynk but you may want to take another archer (May or Rohde), If you want you can leave Kazin as a Wizard and pick another character to make the jump to Sorc..it's up to you.
HOWEVER
Avoid these dudes like the plague:
Luke- Completely shit. His Attack is weak and his defense is worse, he just falls further behind the longer you keep him in your party. Drop as soon as you get your 13th party member.
Kiwi- Insane defense but next to no HP. What does that mean? Well spells kill him like nothing. This is ignoring the fact that late in the game defense becomes less of a factor. Even after promotion he still blows.
Claude/Chaz/Lemon- They may or may not be good characters but by the time you get them you're so far in the game they're no longer a factor worth considering(okay maybe Lemon if you don't already have a Baron with Randalf or Jaha)
Karna- Granted you won't get for awhile but if you give her the Vigor Ball and make her a master monk not only will you have a killer fighter but you'll also have a fantastic healer since she can cast Aura and Heal(as a bonus she'll level extremely quickly since healing spells always give decent exp)
Bowie- You're stuck with him but hey at least he's great.
Peter- Probably the best strict melee character in the game, no reason to ever take him out of your party.
Slade- Sucks as a thief but after hitting Ninja he becomes a great fighter and his spells give him a good ability to work with on the side. He can also use a weapon that can kill most enemies in one or two strikes...worth it? I think so
Gerhalt- Another insane melee character. Give him a running pimento though because his movement sucks.
Frayja- A fantastic healer since like Karna he has access to Aura. Really can't go wrong with this dude ever.
Sheela- A master monk...never can have too many of those.
Kazin- As a mage he's decent but once he becomes a Sorceror he gains some of the most powerful spells in the game. By the final battle he can perform some devastating stuff that'll wipe entire groups of the toughest monsters.
May or Rohde- Either one is fine(though I prefer May) as a good sniper is always helpful and can wear enemies down for the melee characters to finish off.
Randolf- If you're going to get a Baron why not go for the guy who will gain +1 to movement when he gets a promotion? Movement is extremely important in this game.
For the other two characters it's up to you really. I'm partial to Zynk but you may want to take another archer (May or Rohde), If you want you can leave Kazin as a Wizard and pick another character to make the jump to Sorc..it's up to you.
HOWEVER
Avoid these dudes like the plague:
Luke- Completely shit. His Attack is weak and his defense is worse, he just falls further behind the longer you keep him in your party. Drop as soon as you get your 13th party member.
Kiwi- Insane defense but next to no HP. What does that mean? Well spells kill him like nothing. This is ignoring the fact that late in the game defense becomes less of a factor. Even after promotion he still blows.
Claude/Chaz/Lemon- They may or may not be good characters but by the time you get them you're so far in the game they're no longer a factor worth considering(okay maybe Lemon if you don't already have a Baron with Randalf or Jaha)
:Motorbass
Member
Midnight Bowling an Potpourrii went up in europe.
No Orbient yet FUUUUCK.
No Orbient yet FUUUUCK.
crowphoenix
Banned
Man, the VC is on an absolute roll as of late. Awesome.
Like you I'm also a FE fan, but get SF2. Its amazing how much better it is then SF 1. Its quicker, press a to talk and search no more going into menus. Balanced level-ups and more balanced characters. Check your character stats with ease. It looks better-better portraits, sprites, music, etc.ivysaur12 said:
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
out of a fit of boredom, booted up zelda: link to the past. my god. this game just never gets old for me. i can play through it once, relishing every little moment, sidequest, and memorable animation, and a month later be ready to do it all again. it's just resplendent in every way.
"whoa. . . i saw her. a very nice young lady at the waterfall of wishing in the hills where the river begins. . . beelze, you should meet her at least once. i'm sure you will like her."
"whoa. . . i saw her. a very nice young lady at the waterfall of wishing in the hills where the river begins. . . beelze, you should meet her at least once. i'm sure you will like her."
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Grug said:
:lol
sorry about the renaming.
but replaying it actually made me realize that the pegasus boots that let you dash have been missing from all the 3d zelda games. i realize that probably had a lot to do with technical limitations--just making link move at regular speed in 3d space was probably a huge logistical challenge when they were making o.o.t.--but i'd really like to see that sense of speed come back to zelda in the next 3d game. maybe even make the pegasus boots upgradeable with roc's feather to add a jump (i guess that's a more controversial opinion). imagine all the cool blur effects they could toss in when link goes dashing into a suspicious looking pile of boulders and finds a passage underground!
crowphoenix
Banned
beelzebozo said:
That would be awesome. I can already see some fun stuff. I doubt it'd be possible to combine that with the Grappling Hook from WW, but that would create the ultimate in awesome for me.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
that would be awesome, but each time you add an action while link is going that fast, it increases the complexity exponentially. but hey, stranger things have happened--the zelda team is one of the most talented development teams working, and if anyone would have the collective brains to make it work, i would put my money on them.
just combining the pegasus boots and roc's feather would be wow-inducing enough. running at huge gaps at full speed and having to jam the jump button (controversy) to clear a massive expanse. . .
just combining the pegasus boots and roc's feather would be wow-inducing enough. running at huge gaps at full speed and having to jam the jump button (controversy) to clear a massive expanse. . .
Christopher
Member
Grug said:
I still name him Chris - he has no personality so it doesn't even matter.
Link to the past was such a HUGE game when I was 8...it just felt like it was a great huge adventure.
Looking back on it now, it still is more enjoyable and has a better story than Twilight Princess.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Christopher said:
i would argue that if you could travel back in time and give the 8 year old you a choice between the two, he'd probably take twilight princess. not saying that speaks definitively to relative quality of either game, but i think it behooves you to take into account the context in which you played them
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Are they ever going to put up Cruis'n World? Or is Cruis'n USA all they're going to do?
beelzebozo said:
Amazing tune.
You will LOVE this Jazz remix of it.
Check it out and tell me what you think.
cartman414
Member
beelzebozo said:that would be awesome, but each time you add an action while link is going that fast, it increases the complexity exponentially. but hey, stranger things have happened--the zelda team is one of the most talented development teams working, and if anyone would have the collective brains to make it work, i would put my money on them.
just combining the pegasus boots and roc's feather would be wow-inducing enough. running at huge gaps at full speed and having to jam the jump button (controversy) to clear a massive expanse. . .
Already did it with Link's Awakening, why not again?
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
right! the only reason i can imagine they wouldn't would be, as i said, the 3d challenge of conveying that sense of speed while still maintaining control of link.
crowphoenix
Banned
beelzebozo said:
I shall now have nightmares of Link controlling as badly as Sonic.
Masked Man
I said wow
Grug said:
I think it's funny that the reviewer raves about the "REAL trumpet solo" when it sounds pretty obviously synthesized. :lol Cool remix, though.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
It is going to be Secret of Mana, I feel it.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
AlternativeUlster said:
Don't do this to me, I'll just be disappointed
We're definately getting World of Goo and an Art Style game (They said that 2 are coming this month, there are 3 weeks left in the month and it can't be next week's game since it's gonna be Strongbad Ep 3)
So because of the fact that we're getting two OMFG AWESOME Wii Ware games, we won't get anything decent on VC.
Buckethead
Banned
I need TMNT 2 and TMNT 3. And Zombies Ate My Neighbors. And Battletoads.
Then I can die a happy chicken. Dang you Rare!!
Then I can die a happy chicken. Dang you Rare!!
I call Phantasy Star IV and Earthworm Jim--one of which I definitely won't buy and the other which I may not buy since I could play it on PSP, albeit without the same quality of emulation.
[Edit: Not to sound unhappy, though. PSIV is awesome and deserves the purchase of anyone who hasn't played it--and probably also a lot of people who have. And EWJ... I haven't played it, but it gets its acclaim, so obviously that would be nice for VC. I'm just saying I don't expect to be buying anything later today.]
On a separate note, I was thinking of saying I can't believe that I drove 36 miles one way to get to a Toys R Us that had Wii points in stock, and bought a total of 400 more points than the number I spent on VC releases (VC only, no WiiWare) between May 28th, 2007 and October 6th, 2008. But then I remembered that I'm Jiggy"even-my-one-liners-have-a-minimum-word-count-of"37 and probably Top Ten NeoGAF Virtual Console Supporters material, so saying I can't believe how many Wii points I bought or what I did to get them would be disingenous.
Now to find out if Nintendo can get me to spend that much in a period of 71 Mondays this time.
[Edit: Not to sound unhappy, though. PSIV is awesome and deserves the purchase of anyone who hasn't played it--and probably also a lot of people who have. And EWJ... I haven't played it, but it gets its acclaim, so obviously that would be nice for VC. I'm just saying I don't expect to be buying anything later today.
]On a separate note, I was thinking of saying I can't believe that I drove 36 miles one way to get to a Toys R Us that had Wii points in stock, and bought a total of 400 more points than the number I spent on VC releases (VC only, no WiiWare) between May 28th, 2007 and October 6th, 2008. But then I remembered that I'm Jiggy"even-my-one-liners-have-a-minimum-word-count-of"37 and probably Top Ten NeoGAF Virtual Console Supporters material, so saying I can't believe how many Wii points I bought or what I did to get them would be disingenous.
Now to find out if Nintendo can get me to spend that much in a period of 71 Mondays this time.
RocketDarkness
Member
Aww, lucky. I called my local TRU, but they were already sold out. Ah well. I really need to catch up on my VC/WW stuff, since I haven't downloaded in like a year. =/Jiggy37 said:I call Phantasy Star IV and Earthworm Jim--one of which I definitely won't buy and the other which I may not buy since I could play it on PSP, albeit without the same quality of emulation.
On a separate note, I was thinking of saying I can't believe that I drove 36 miles one way to get to a Toys R Us that had Wii points in stock, and bought a total of 400 more points than the number I spent on VC releases (VC only, no WiiWare) between May 28th, 2007 and October 6th, 2008. But then I remembered that I'm Jiggy"even-my-one-liners-have-a-minimum-word-count-of"37 and probably Top Ten NeoGAF Virtual Console Supporters material, so saying I can't believe how many Wii points I bought or what I did to get them would be disingenous.
Now to find out if Nintendo can get me to spend that much in a period of 71 Mondays this time.
Oh wow, Hudson promised their games (Gradius II, Digital Champ) for today again and they got screwed over AGAIN:
EDIT: Err, never mind - Hudson scheduled the games for the 20th, not the 13th. Normally they only post dates if something is coming out the next week, so I thought it was for today.
EDIT: Err, never mind - Hudson scheduled the games for the 20th, not the 13th. Normally they only post dates if something is coming out the next week, so I thought it was for today.
crowphoenix
Banned
With World of Goo coming out, there can't be a good VC update... Wait, What?
What a fantastic update!
Nintendo hates Hudson.
What a fantastic update!
Nintendo hates Hudson.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Well, that came out of nowhere.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Impressive update.
Shame about the lack of Gradius II...maybe next week.
Shame about the lack of Gradius II...maybe next week.
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
Nintendo loves us again! They haven't forgotten!
noirebanana
Member
B-Rad Lascelle said:Nintendo loves us again! They haven't forgotten!
Indeed!
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I should note that while I don't think Secret of Mana is a good game I do think it has the least amount of annoying game design of the entire series.
Plus the soundtrack is wonderful.
Plus the soundtrack is wonderful.
evilromero
Member
Wow. All that plus an Art Style game? This is one of the best updates of the year.
leroy hacker
Member
PepsimanVsJoe said:
I don't know, I think the nonsensical collision detection is more annoying than anything in Legend. But I agree about the soundtrack. Secret of Mana retains value on account of its music and visuals and despite its game design.
It's great the VC version has three player support though. If you can play it with two other people and avoid using the AI, some of the fundamental problems go away.
leroy hacker
Member
botticus said:
Coloris doesn't involve shooting at all. You don't launch new cubes, you change the color of existing ones. It is based on three in a row matches, not four. Also, there is nothing about cores in Coloris and nothing floating or rotating. It's possible this is an extreme revamp of Coloris, but it sounds like a completely different game, with the only similarity being that there is color matching.
MyEpitomeCliché
Member
Holy shit, nice update.
FFantasyFX
Member
PepsimanVsJoe said:
My favorite Square SNES title. I'll admit that there are some terrible collision detection problems and the ally AI leaves much to be desired, but if you can muddle through those issues - everything else is fantastic (graphics, music , story, even the gameplay has plenty of charm despite the technical problems).