Welfare
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PSX alluded to that, assuming that counter meant WW sales.
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PAL Charts - Week 50, 2014
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PSX alluded to that, assuming that counter meant WW sales.
UK retail only is -4.2% YTD in revenue and -11.1% in units. Three weeks left in the year.
Last year, the market was still accelerating going into January, so if the same holds true this year, the market could end up at -4.0% in revenue and -10.8% in units. Not bad, but not great either.
Add in digital, and the year was clearly up for software revenue, no question in my mind.
Last year, the market was still accelerating going into January, so if the same holds true this year, the market could end up at -4.0% in revenue and -10.8% in units. Not bad, but not great either.
Add in digital, and the year was clearly up for software revenue, no question in my mind.
Captain Smoker
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The numbers I posted obviously lack some sales numbers.
There's Canada, if we assume it's 10% of USA we can add maybe 540.000 to the PS4 and 460.000 to the XBO.
We can also assume that both systems sold like 100.000 to 150.000 units (or more) in Australia in their second year, so lets add this too.
And we also lack October to November numbers for Europa, these are several 100.000 units which we can also add (less to the XBO).
And let's add some Asian and South American countries, maybe a few 100.000 units too.
All in all, we can add like 2.000.000 to the PS4,
1.000.000 to 1.500.000 to the XBO.
Too lazy to calculate Wii U.
Therefore, numbers should be more like:
PS4: 13.200.000
XBO: 8.000.000
Take these as rough estimates.
Edit: Better guess
There's Canada, if we assume it's 10% of USA we can add maybe 540.000 to the PS4 and 460.000 to the XBO.
We can also assume that both systems sold like 100.000 to 150.000 units (or more) in Australia in their second year, so lets add this too.
And we also lack October to November numbers for Europa, these are several 100.000 units which we can also add (less to the XBO).
And let's add some Asian and South American countries, maybe a few 100.000 units too.
All in all, we can add like 2.000.000 to the PS4,
1.000.000 to 1.500.000 to the XBO.
Too lazy to calculate Wii U.
Therefore, numbers should be more like:
PS4: 13.200.000
XBO: 8.000.000
Take these as rough estimates.
Edit: Better guess
1st Course
Member
20m PS4 by end of year is possible. They need to ship 6.5m console this quarter to achive that. 6.5m in Q4 is about what the PS3 did in its peak years.
Wii shipped like 12m in Q4 in its peak year.
Wii shipped like 12m in Q4 in its peak year.
Welfare
Member
20 million is basically a lock. They need to ship for the holidays and make sure there are as many leftovers as possible for Q1 next year.
Superman00
Liverpool01
I know they are estimates but very on the low side. We know Sony sold 10M by August 10. From August-November NPD I got about 1.85 Millions. I doubt the US would account for more than 50% of the WW numbers. Even if the US did account for 50%, that would still put us at 13.7 millions WW.
KillerMan91
Member
Yeah. I don't know why so many people here question it like '' No way PS4 reaches 20 million. That would be crazy''. PS4 is market leader and ''only'' needs peak PS3 holiday numbers to hit that mark. In US they are pretty much on peak PS3 holiday pace and I don't know why Europe would differ considering the absolute market dominance PS4 has there.
These 5 countries represent like 90% of the EU market, so there's definitely something off.
For instance, XB1 sold ~1M in all of europe (which was pretty much these 5 countries anyway as it didn't launch in most of the EU countries till september) until september, and at the same time 1M in these 5 countries until November 15th?
We also know that it hit 1M in the UK alone around that time, so that's ~700k in 2014 only. Something doesn't add up.
Captain Smoker
Member
You're probably right.
PS4 managed 2.080.000 in the USA & Japan after that period.
Let's take 10% for Canada, we get 185.000 units. Let's take half of that for Australia, we can add 90.000 units.
We can add 500.000 to 600.000 units to Germany according to the latest numbers (but notice that GfK said these aren't their numbers recently). UK should be similar, France should be lower. That's probably 1.500.000 units for those markets.
The rest is a bit harder to guess. But we're currently at 3.855.000 for those countries.
Maybe we can add 500.000 units for all of the rest? Too high? Too low?
Therefore, PS4 should be more like 14.355.000 worldwide (end of November).
Superman00
Liverpool01
Sony shipped 4.5 millions PS4 in Nov-Dec last year. There is no way they gonna shipped less than that for Oct-Dec of this year. At the very least, they will hit at 18 millions PS4 WW by year end. That's is on the low end.
KillerMan91
Member
Yeah. Not hitting 20 million would be actually pretty damn disappointing considering PS4's status as market leader currently. Personally expecting 7.5 million shipment for this Q. For example 3DS shipped 7.8 million last holiday season (it was probably biggest overshipment of all time when it comes to handhelds/consoles but still)
KillerMan91
Member
Q1 shows always who overshipped and who didn't. This year 3DS shipped less than Vita during Q1...
Welfare
Member
PSX was 2 weeks ago. No way would the PS4 only sell 300k in about 2 weeks.
Superman00
Liverpool01
Yeah, US + Japan is probably more than that already.
Klart
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Japan is only about 10k a week, so won't make that much of a difference.
The Last One
Member
It did 68k last week though.
Klart
Member
Oh, didn't know that. That's nice.
The IHS numbers are across all PAL territories, not just Europe. Also, I think the "backed up by GfK Europe" is just meant by the author to say that GfK numbers for EU5 show a similar trend, rather than GfK literally saying "we back IHS numbers".
No, I'm sure they don't.
Just picked this up myself (in white). Really nice value. I can get behind these kinds if bundles.
I don't think it's quite that high, probably more like 80%, but for the whole PAL region it's obviously lower.
theprodigy
Member
wait hold on, what else besides Europe is considered in "PAL territories"?
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Kiwis & Australians.
KillerMan91
Member
Yeah. There are still bunch of developed rich smaller countries in Europe that add up like Germanys amount of population to the mix. Not to mention the poorer parts of Europe. Definitely not 90%. Between 70-80% would be my guess.
Bruno MB
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Germany:
Week 50, 2014 - Individual Formats (Units)
01 (01) PS4 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
02 (07) PS4 FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
03 (05) PS4 FAR CRY 4 - LIMITED EDITION (UBISOFT)
04 (11) PS3 FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
05 (02) 3DS POKÉMON: OMEGA RUBIN (NINTENDO)
06 (09) 3DS TOMODACHI LIFE (NINTENDO)
07 (03) 3DS POKÉMON: ALPHA SAPHIR (NINTENDO)
08 (13) WII JUST DANCE 2015 (UBISOFT)
09 (15) PS3 MINECRAFT - PLAYSTATION 3 EDITION (AK TRONIC)
10 (10) PS4 ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT)
11 (06) WIU SUPER SMASH BROS. FOR WII U (NINTENDO)
12 (12) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
13 (14) PC LANDWIRTSCHAFTS-SIMULATOR 15 (ASTRAGON)
14 (16) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
15 (04) PS4 THE CREW (UBISOFT)
16 (17) 3DS SUPER SMASH BROS. FOR NINTENDO 3DS (NINTENDO)
17 (48) PS4 MINECRAFT - PLAYSTATION 4 EDITION (AK TRONIC)
18 (18) PS3 FAR CRY 4 - LIMITED EDITION (UBISOFT)
19 (24) PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED: ROGUE (UBISOFT)
20 (21) WII SKYLANDERS: TRAP TEAM - STARTER PACK (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
21 (19) PC DIE SIMS 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
22 (22) PS4 DRAGON AGE: INQUISITION (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
23 (29) 360 FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
24 (__) PS4 INFAMOUS: FIRST LIGHT (AK TRONIC)
25 (32) WII FIFA 15 - LEGACY EDITION (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
26 (33) WIU MARIO KART 8 (NINTENDO)
27 (31) 3DS ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF (NINTENDO)
28 (NE) PS4 LARA CROFT UND DER TEMPEL DES OSIRIS - GOLD EDITION (KOCH MEDIA)
29 (26) PC FAR CRY 4 - LIMITED EDITION (UBISOFT)
30 (08) PS3 KINGDOM HEARTS HD 2.5 REMIX (KOCH MEDIA)
31 (36) 3DS MARIO KART 7 (NINTENDO)
32 (27) PS4 LITTLEBIGPLANET 3 (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
33 (23) XBO GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
34 (25) PS4 MITTELERDE: MORDORS SCHATTEN (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
35 (45) PC ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT)
36 (51) 3DS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2 (NINTENDO)
37 (42) 360 MINECRAFT - XBOX 360 EDITION (AK TRONIC)
38 (43) PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
39 (30) PC WORLD OF WARCRAFT: WARLORDS OF DRAENOR (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
40 (49) PS4 DIABLO III - REAPER OF SOULS (ULTIMATE EVIL EDITION) (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
41 (39) PS3 SKYLANDERS: TRAP TEAM - STARTER PACK (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
42 (40) PS4 DESTINY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
43 (41) PC DRAGON AGE: INQUISITION (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
44 (63) PS4 NBA 2K15 (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
45 (20) PS3 LITTLEBIGPLANET 3 (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
46 (47) 3DS FIFA 15 - LEGACY EDITION (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
47 (54) XBO CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
48 (37) XBO FAR CRY 4 - LIMITED EDITION (UBISOFT)
49 (44) 360 CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
50 (52) 3DS DRACHENZÄHMEN LEICHT GEMACHT 2 (BANDAI NAMCO GAMES)
Top 50
PS4 - 15
PS3 - 9
3DS - 9
PC - 6
360 - 3
WII - 3
XBO - 3
WIU - 2
KillerMan91
Member
Has there been some crazy deals for Far Cry 4 in Germany or is it just doing really well? It has beaten current gen COD every week since its launch....
Nope. Someone needs to do something, right? Maybe Aquamarine knows more about what happened to NPD's trial digital service.
Christmas (this week's sales) Number 1 best odds;
FIFA: 2/11 (Bwin)
Cod: 6/1 (Coral)
GTA 20/1 (Bet Victor)
Was going to bet on FIFA a few weeks ago when the odds were better, but too late now with those odds. GTA seems like great odds considering how close the sales currently are.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Lara Croft Retail came with a code or Disc?
That makes a lot more sense.
For the EU? Yes, they are. Not really far from it anyway. The contribution of other countries is really small. Keep in mind that these 5 only represent like 70% of the EU population.
Bruno MB
Member
I forgot to post this.
TOP 10 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE (ALL PRICES), WEEK ENDING 13 December 2014
01 (01) FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 118,729 / 2,388,473 (-21%)
02 (02) CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 108,740 / 1,565,028 (-27%)
03 (03) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2) - 94,759 (-22%)
04 (04) FAR CRY 4 (UBISOFT)
05 (05) LEGO BATMAN 3: BEYOND GOTHAM (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) > 38,900 (-29%)
06 (11) JUST DANCE 2015 (UBISOFT)
07 (08) MINECRAFT: XBOX EDITION (MICROSOFT)
08 (09) MINECRAFT: PLAYSTATION EDITION (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
09 (16) DESTINY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
10 (07) ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT)
Disclaimer: These numbers are just approximations based on the information provided by Chart-Track in their press releases and other sources.
TOP 10 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE (ALL PRICES), WEEK ENDING 13 December 2014
01 (01) FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 118,729 / 2,388,473 (-21%)
02 (02) CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 108,740 / 1,565,028 (-27%)
03 (03) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2) - 94,759 (-22%)
04 (04) FAR CRY 4 (UBISOFT)
05 (05) LEGO BATMAN 3: BEYOND GOTHAM (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) > 38,900 (-29%)
06 (11) JUST DANCE 2015 (UBISOFT)
07 (08) MINECRAFT: XBOX EDITION (MICROSOFT)
08 (09) MINECRAFT: PLAYSTATION EDITION (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
09 (16) DESTINY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
10 (07) ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT)
Disclaimer: These numbers are just approximations based on the information provided by Chart-Track in their press releases and other sources.
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[Week 12] FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 118,729 / 2,388,473 (-21%)
[Week 12] FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 163,233 / 2,330,769 (-2%)
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[Week 06] CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 108,740 / 1,565,028 (-27%)
[Week 06] CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 167,444 / 1,704,438 (-21%)Far cry is doing better than i expected. Thinking of buying it this weekend.
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The_lascar
Member
Sorry, no numbers this time but here are the best selling games of 2014 at the beginning of december in France.
1. FIFA 15
2. Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
3. Watch Dogs
4. Grand Theft Auto V
5. FIFA 14
6. Call of Duty Ghosts
7. Tomodachi Life
8. Minecraft
9. Destiny
10. Super Smash Bros.
You will get some numbers from Nintendo tomorrow.
1. FIFA 15
2. Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
3. Watch Dogs
4. Grand Theft Auto V
5. FIFA 14
6. Call of Duty Ghosts
7. Tomodachi Life
8. Minecraft
9. Destiny
10. Super Smash Bros.
You will get some numbers from Nintendo tomorrow.
theprodigy
Member
The populations are in this same page. No, they aren't.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Oh, right, only 65%. I was obviously way off.
theprodigy
Member
god damn, people are confusing these with monthly sales left and right now and making threads because of it
why?
The_lascar
Member
didn't we just get numbers from them though
Yes, Nintendo is great for that, they are basically the only ones in France who share their numbers.
Few years ago, I got an interview with Lavoué, at one moment he ask me to wait a few minutes to get his computer, opened his GFK doc, and gave me every numbers I asked.
I always wondered if this is specific to Nintendo France or if it's just that journalists from other european countries never really asked some numbers.
Yeah, what's up with that, why now XD
The_lascar
Member
France
http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high...barre-du-demi-million-de-ventes-en-france.php
490 000 Wii U sold. Still 550k at the year-end target.
"PS4 is too far but we'll see at the beginning of 2015 for the Xbox One"
220k for Smash Bros. 3DS
Still expecting 200k at the year-end for Smash Bros. Wii U, maybe more.
Tomodachi Life: over 1 million units sold in Europe, 400 000 in France.
Pokémon OR/AS: 400k in three weeks. They expecting between 500 to 540k at the year-end.
First print for Disney Magical World was 50k, all sold, which surprised Nintendo. New shipment soon.
"Current weekly sales:"
NSMB2 ~14k
Animal Crossing ~15k
http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high...barre-du-demi-million-de-ventes-en-france.php
490 000 Wii U sold. Still 550k at the year-end target.
"PS4 is too far but we'll see at the beginning of 2015 for the Xbox One"
220k for Smash Bros. 3DS
Still expecting 200k at the year-end for Smash Bros. Wii U, maybe more.
Tomodachi Life: over 1 million units sold in Europe, 400 000 in France.
Pokémon OR/AS: 400k in three weeks. They expecting between 500 to 540k at the year-end.
First print for Disney Magical World was 50k, all sold, which surprised Nintendo. New shipment soon.
"Current weekly sales:"
NSMB2 ~14k
Animal Crossing ~15k
+1 million for Tomodachi in Europe is a fantastic result. My son and my niece really like it.