That is really well put. Anyone who says "but the other games..." needs to read that.
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Metal Gear Solid V Has The Most Needless Sexualization Since Bayonetta (Spoilers)
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That is really well put. Anyone who says "but the other games..." needs to read that.
MiguelItUp
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This is a tad bit rash TBH. Just because I'm not offended by it and I look at it like satire or completely tongue in cheek doesn't make me sexist. That's pretty offensive.
I imagine some fans want a series they love to improve over the years. How come they can't voice their opinion? It's such a common sight, people trying to completely shut down criticism of their favorite video games.
MMaRsu
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The worst thing is people who jump to conclusions about other people because they arent offended by this kind of thing and calling them sexist too.
I guess Quiet has been a good litmus test of how much sexualized shit some game critics and gamers can stomach without commenting on it, and show the lengths to which sycophants, like some in this thread, are willing to defend and rationalize blatant pandering, and in some cases sexualized torture and attempted rape of a mute stripper sniper.
Windom Earle
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Nice spin!
This is what I'm thinking, too.
The MGS series has long modeled itself on being "a movie in videogame form", but this one actually approaches "it's funny because it's awful" style of movies like The Room...and maybe not intentionally
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's astounding that a comparison to the film and music industry is never met with any accusations of sexism or controversy.
So are you done with the really transparent attempt to "call me out" and derail the thread? Or do you have anything to add to the discussion?
Dick Justice
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Yes they have, and more
sensui-tomo
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maybe i should have better worded my statement, People can criticize, I wont stop that nor try to even imply that. I wont stop criticism, only thing i want people to get from my comments is this "MGS has been a crazy series with only mgs 3 being the good serious game of the series... which would be a bond film at best" and the rest have goofy crazy stuff. Quiet is what i expected from kojima. Its T&A but and I dont have a problem with it ( it fits inline with what i'd expect from mgs after 4 and peace walker) , I can see how others would.
MaddenNFL64
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I like Quiet. Kojima's reasoning is laughable though, and should have just said "I want a scantily clad "EVA" type character like in Snake Eater.
The fact that (to my knowledge) reviews don't mention this is just crazy.
The fact that gamers would probably throw a fit if it did get mentioned in a review is just crazy.
respect one's culture when you decide to join in. It's Japan. Don't be like a certain country who forces its own believes and rules against everyone else and believe it's the sole "correct" way.
don't get me wrong, I think the sexual exploitation is kinda obvious and kind of embarrassing as in all MGS or many other Japanese games, but I respect them to do their own cultural thing. I do not want a universal police enforcing "no fun allowed", just because a percentage of people complaining about their own views not being fulfilled.
sensui-tomo
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See polygon's dragon's crown review to see how that worked out or some stuff JS(kotaku guy) said about the designs.
Windom Earle
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No, your hypocrisy is pretty known on GAF, so no need to intensify this!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Using rape as a character development device is one of the most sexist things you can do while writing a story involving a female character, the intent and execution is almost always poor and completely misrepresents what people who have experienced that go through. Her escaping rape isn't the sole reason why her portrayal is sexist, it's part of the relatively long list of reasons why she is.
Yes, I was implying that.
Is what I meant.
this is so fucking ignorant i don't even know what else to say
I feel fine calling out Japan's issues with the sexualization of women. Miyazaki had no problems calling it out either. People call out the USA on a ton of its bad policies and cultural practices.
Whole thing is even worse when Kojima himself said that he wanted someone this sexualized in order to sell figurines. The writing's all there, folks. Women can be sexy, but I'm tired of objectification and I feel pretty comfortable saying I'd like to see that the world over.
It's a pity to just sit back and think for a second what else they could have invested that effort, money and time into if it hadn't gone into animating crap like that.
Not that it would have affected a lot... but anything is better than this.
First off, sexism is never a valid thing. I don't care which culture it is, but if they treat women with disrespect it is worthy of criticism. There are many cultures with other abhorrent things like racism, slavery, classism etc and I will absolutely criticize them for it. I also criticize my own culture when it encourages unethical behaviour.
Secondly, is this really japan in general or just the pervy subculture that permeates some Japanese games and anime?
sensui-tomo
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WrenchNinja
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what the fuck
I meant in terms of MGSV's development.
lensoftruth
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Really? Might as well remove the cute dog, gore and big robots.
They aim for an international market and they receive international feedback. BTW I wonder how my non gamer Japanese relatives feel about this "aspect of their culture", lol.
Lol. They are allowed to exist. They just get criticized. Some "crusade."
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
So basically you had absolutely jack shit to add to the discussion except a failed attempt to derail the thread and call me a hypocrite, when i've had the same opinion on Quiet's character? Yes or no?
Oh my lord..
Yep.
Anton Sugar
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What does the removal of pointless sexualization/objectification of a character have to do with any of that?
WrenchNinja
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they could have invested their money into finishing the game and giving it an ending probably
so you know for a fact that nobody in Japan has anything critical to say about this stuff? News to me.
Regardless, this is a bullshit reason to claim that people aren't allowed to critically analyze products which they're being asked to buy simply because of the culture of who made it. So since there isn't a major platform (THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF) for this critique in Japan, Westerners cannot comment on that product?
partyphone
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im not aware of it nor do i know what dsp is but it literally doesn't matter. why do you think it matters?
MaddenNFL64
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Makes me think of the guy on the Dragon Age Inquisition team who modeled detailed penises for some of the characters, and then has all his content cut because the lead designer was messing with him.
The dude who animated Quiet worked his ass off lmao.
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