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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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WadiumArcadium
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Well unless they pull off a Maul in the films, no. He's dead.Not that we can know for sure I guess, but is Han really dead for sure?Seems like an odd decision given the spinoff prequel movie about him. I assumed the original cast had signed up for minor roles throughout the entire new trilogy. Am I misinformed? :/
Well, I didn't really much like it.
These are my spoiler free impressions:
Spoiler-wise... What's the point of leaving us hanging with Rey's identity (even if it's potentially obvious.) Just annoying, full-stop. And I could've done with less references to the OT. It reaches a point where I'm not sure they had any new good ideas. I don't really have much else to say. Han Solo's death was telegraphed as fuck, and the entire moment doesn't feel earned at all emotionally (to me anyway) as is pretty much a copy of Vader kills Obi-Wan. Big whoop. Driver does a nice enough job with Vader's hand-me-downs though. Even if he's a lamer that got totally destroyed by someone that discovered the force five seconds ago with no training of any sort.
These are my spoiler free impressions:
Spoiler-wise... What's the point of leaving us hanging with Rey's identity (even if it's potentially obvious.) Just annoying, full-stop. And I could've done with less references to the OT. It reaches a point where I'm not sure they had any new good ideas. I don't really have much else to say. Han Solo's death was telegraphed as fuck, and the entire moment doesn't feel earned at all emotionally (to me anyway) as is pretty much a copy of Vader kills Obi-Wan. Big whoop. Driver does a nice enough job with Vader's hand-me-downs though. Even if he's a lamer that got totally destroyed by someone that discovered the force five seconds ago with no training of any sort.
Yet he loses like a jobber to a girl with no force/lightsaber training. But he slaughtered Luke's academy or something. heh
Dash_Riprock
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So we're just ignoring the blaster bolt he took to the gut?
BakkaGames
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Watched it last night and absolutely loved it. All the new characters are so damn good.
how comes armored Storm Troopers drop dead when a bolt hits them anywhere yet everyone wearing casual apparel can take blaster bolts and lightsaber cuts like a champ, anyway
OmegaSmash
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Him taking off his helmet made me stop taking him seriously pretty much instantly. Had they shown only part of it when Rey gave him the scar would've been way better.
Dash_Riprock
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A wizard--sorry, The Force did it.
Huh?! If you wanna play the Plinkett game, then let's play.
Rey is a survivor, she is very wary of other people around her because of where she lives, she's a strong fighter but at the same time she's not egotistic and always ready to look out for smaller beings that may be looking up to her for protection. She's an orphan and a bit naive as she waits for her family to come and find her.
Equating her to Padme who was a charisma black hole? No. Just no.
Finn got one or two hits on him as well but it was pretty clear the dude was injured. He comes across as a blunt instrument so it'll be interesting where they go from here in regards to his training.
Pretty much what I thought as well.
I'd also add:
- Poe didn't get enough screen time, great potential and charisma there.
- Hux was a pleasant surprise. Thought he was going to have a cameo like Max von Sydow's character.
- The Nurember Rally was just bad. The nazi parallels were clear already, but then Hux did a Hitler impression and the whole scene felt waay too heavy-handed. Might as well have made the First Order speak galactic german.
- Not enough background on any of the factions or what the hell happened to the rest of the galaxy since the OT. Looking back on ANH, the 2-minute long scenewith Tarkin, Vader and the commanders did wonders to the film in that regard. In this one we got the Nuremberg Rally, multiple meetings with Snoke, several conversations between Hux and Kylo, yet little was explained.
- They could've used just as much from ANH without having so many coincidences.
- The trench run felt misplaced, or maybe a bit rushed. I'll pay close attention to it next time.
BluenoseGames
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I'm guessing because of Obi-wan.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Yes, thats clear but he wasn't exactly important to Han or Leia. Luke, yes, but not those two.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yup. Like I've said, the script is the thing that brings it down. On a filmmaking level I loved it, though. Remember when BobbyRoberts was saying there's no reason JJ and Kasdan need another six months when ESB's production was done in the same time?
Those six months could have been crucial for the film, instead of shooting based on a completely re-written script handed in 2 weeks before cameras started rolling.
I thought that was the point. He is young, emotional and easily manipulated.
There has to be more Finn and Poe bromance in the next one. Maybe Finn becomes a resistance pilot at the same as Rey is training with Luke. Kylo will likely have a prominent role too, lots of ways to explore his character too.
Agreed with you on that moment, but overall I love how he was written. Just impossible to not like him. Boyega is perfect as the loveable buffoon with a heart of gold.
Possibly/likely together with his Knights of Ren. Kylo was portrayed as someone that is likely powerful, but Snoke said facing Han would be his toughest test yet and scenes such as the one with the Vader mask or when he smashes things show that he's in no way fully trained.
He sacrificed himself for all of them not just Luke so I'd say he was pretty important character to Han and Leia. You don't really need to be super close to someone to name your son after them but Ben is a pretty influential character in the series so to me it made sense.
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As a guy who loved A New Hope. It's basically a remake. A remake, but with better lightsaber action.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I know, it just felt forced having Han and Leia name their kid after him.
WadiumArcadium
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Everything would have to be translated. It's never bothered me.
to anyone saying it's like ANH - i don't disagree, but i'd actually say it's not just 'like ANH' but actually the entire original trilogy.
Jakoo is the first acts of ANH, up until the cantina.
Rey's visions are very similar to what happened on Dagobah during ESB.
So is the father - son confrontation
And the final battle is much more like ROTJ, seeing as we get a lightsaber duel, someone trying to deactivate a shield / setting up explosive charges in a bunker-like building, while a "space" (or rather, lower atmospheric) battle is happening as well.
Sure, there's a hint of a "trench", but the fact that Poe penetrates the enemy structure with his entire ship is much more like the Battle of Endor.
It's a mishmash of motives from the entire trilogy, not just ANH.
Jakoo is the first acts of ANH, up until the cantina.
Rey's visions are very similar to what happened on Dagobah during ESB.
So is the father - son confrontation
And the final battle is much more like ROTJ, seeing as we get a lightsaber duel, someone trying to deactivate a shield / setting up explosive charges in a bunker-like building, while a "space" (or rather, lower atmospheric) battle is happening as well.
Sure, there's a hint of a "trench", but the fact that Poe penetrates the enemy structure with his entire ship is much more like the Battle of Endor.
It's a mishmash of motives from the entire trilogy, not just ANH.
He's quite literally the man that brought both his parents together in the first place. Like, if not for old Ben Kenobi, mom and dad never would've met (and mom would probably be dead and the galaxy would still be under Imperial rule, but y'know, kind of irrelevant to why they probably named him that.)
OmegaSmash
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Source on this? Didn't follow production since I wanted to go in as blind as possible.
The movie showed me why TV storytelling is far better and closer to my heart at the moment than movie storytelling.
Imagine an episode focused on Finn losing his believes.
Or an hour on how Rey is struggling with her surroundings.
I guess everyone would go "DUH!" of course more is better.. but none of the key moments felt earned in the film. At least not their relationships. Half way into the film, after hanging out for maybe half a day, they are already deep in love and ready to give their life for each other. I would buy that easier in Part 2.
The original group had it easier with
Han Solo having GREED and Skywalker having a BONER as their reason to save a lady.
Imagine an episode focused on Finn losing his believes.
Or an hour on how Rey is struggling with her surroundings.
I guess everyone would go "DUH!" of course more is better.. but none of the key moments felt earned in the film. At least not their relationships. Half way into the film, after hanging out for maybe half a day, they are already deep in love and ready to give their life for each other. I would buy that easier in Part 2.
The original group had it easier with
Han Solo having GREED and Skywalker having a BONER as their reason to save a lady.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
That makes me think you didn't properly watch the movie.
I don't think you can make it anymore clear than Rey kissing Finn on his FOREHEAD, saying they'll meet again, calling him "friend". They are not in love. They're hugging - like friends do. They try to look out for one another - like friends do.
She's not in love with him, she considers him her closest friend - which is believable since she clearly was a loner, back on Jakoo.
Do some of you guys seriously have such a hard time believing that a male and female character in a hollywood blockbuster could simply be really good friends?
Too bad :/ What a waste, it really was his movie in many ways. Man
ColonialRaptor
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So who are the "obvious" parents of Rey??? I don't get it.
I have such mixed feelings about the movie, on one side I enjoyed it because it was Star Wars, the effects were cool and it's just more Star Wars.
On the other hand the plot was so basic and bland and empty that I felt myself getting bored during he plot development parts and just wanted to get to the next thing.
I really have no idea how it turned out like this, it feels like... Something I can't put my finger on.
I was also disappointed there was no faded out yoda, obiwan or anakin during visions or whatever, the entire thing is just not going to be the same without yoda.
I have such mixed feelings about the movie, on one side I enjoyed it because it was Star Wars, the effects were cool and it's just more Star Wars.
On the other hand the plot was so basic and bland and empty that I felt myself getting bored during he plot development parts and just wanted to get to the next thing.
I really have no idea how it turned out like this, it feels like... Something I can't put my finger on.
I was also disappointed there was no faded out yoda, obiwan or anakin during visions or whatever, the entire thing is just not going to be the same without yoda.
Psst. People tell each other things from their lives. But it's a secret.
Each to their own I suppose. I liked that they went out of their way to name their son after him. The meeting of him and Luke is going to be something else, Luke is firmly in the position Ben was in with Anakin but I hope we get Snoke vs Luke and Rey vs Kylo.
someone from the skywalker family, some would argue (which i think, right now, is grasping at straws)
what i do agree with, after my 2nd viewing, is that the visions Rey has when touching Luke's sword, look more like memories to me.
So she might have very well been the only surviving student of 'Camp Luke'.
that, to me, still doesn't mean she's necessarily any currently named character's daughter.
Ennosuke
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I had fun, but the movie was maybe a little bit too simple, with the re-use of many things we have seen before. Tatooine 2.0, Death Star 3.0 and many similar scenes. I really hope that we learn more new exciting things in the next movie. A kind of unique story, with some complexity would be nice. Star Wars should not rely this much on old stuff. I know why they did it, but this universe offers so many opportunities for creativity.
The movie looked great, the cast is awesome. This Kylo and Han scene was well done. Although I think that Williams did a better job for the PT Soundtrack.
The movie looked great, the cast is awesome. This Kylo and Han scene was well done. Although I think that Williams did a better job for the PT Soundtrack.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
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They can be friends, enemies, chess buddies... I dont care.
I just did not believe the depth of their affection for each other looking at the time they had together.
It was not EARNED in my opinion. Not enough time in this packed film for those two to actually have a conversation.
I can't wait for Leia and Ben to meet up. Shit's going to be epic.
Bobby Roberts
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He's gonna fuckin' kill her, too.
Or hell, maybe he turns her.
Luke & Rey vs Leia & Ben.
Or hell, maybe he turns her.
Luke & Rey vs Leia & Ben.
The only downside I found with this movie is that it doesn't make sense why R2D2 suddenly turned on at the end.
Other than that, it's an outstanding film and I think my favourite of the whole saga. I loved every minute.
Captain Phasma was an overhyped character who added nothing to the film. Maybe she'll have more to do in the next one. I'm not going to count that as a flaw because it's more of a marketing thing than an issue with the movie itself.
Other than that, it's an outstanding film and I think my favourite of the whole saga. I loved every minute.
Captain Phasma was an overhyped character who added nothing to the film. Maybe she'll have more to do in the next one. I'm not going to count that as a flaw because it's more of a marketing thing than an issue with the movie itself.
eot
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Well, he force pushed Rey in the beginning. Did he run out of juice or something?
There's a midichlorian counter in R2D2, that triggered the map :O
it's a movie, relationships are kinda condensed. ANH wasn't any better in that regard. Luke was super mopey about losing his mentor (who had been a mentor to him for a few hours, only). Luke was super bummed about Han not being a good bro and joining the rebellion / attack on the death star, even though he met him half a day ago.
I don't mind some people having higher standards than this film can meet, but i wonder if those are standards that even the OT would have been able to meet.
also, you claimed they were in love, which i pointed out that there was no indication (at least on Rey's side) that they were, which makes your judgement of the believability of their relationship somewhat doubtful, seeing as you can't even tell when 2 people are in love and when they are simply very good friends, no offense.
Snoke better be an actual giant
I assumed because Rey was there, R2 powered back up.
People that wanted more Poe.
You do realize it's because he's an Han Solo rip off in the least subtle way possible.(which doesn't make him a bad character)
You can't have them both with leading roles in the same movie.
Han 2 will be there a lot in the sequels, don't be scared.
You do realize it's because he's an Han Solo rip off in the least subtle way possible.(which doesn't make him a bad character)
You can't have them both with leading roles in the same movie.
Han 2 will be there a lot in the sequels, don't be scared.
MitzTapuzim
Banned
Just got back from the movie and...WOW. just wow. Kylo Ren is an amazing villian IMO..
that lightsaber duel was simply brutal. different than the other films..I liked it.
that lightsaber duel was simply brutal. different than the other films..I liked it.
Padme is a rational and compassionate young woman with a fierce belief in the importance of democracy and fair governance. She stringently debates and opposes anyone who argues for potentially dangerous compromises in those principles, or who would use well-intentioned systems to gain personal power. Unfortunately, she's also naive and somewhat easily led, making her vulnerable to both the manipulations of Senator Palpatine and unable to see the darkness growing inside Anakin until it's too late. She believes that there is a diplomatic solution to every problem, that the best way of obtaining justice is to work within existing legal channels. Unfortunately, since her enemies do not respect the same rules she does, she is often overtaken by them. She is nevertheless brave and willing to fight for her cause when need be, sometimes recklessly if it means putting herself in harm's way.
Anakin is a young man who shares Padme's almost obsessive questing for an ideal, but finds himself fiercely conflicted when he or those around him fail to live up to those standards. Like Padme, he's also compassionate, but where that compassion inspires determination in her, it inspires anger in him, leading him down dangerous paths and into the hands of Palpatine. Having been told he is the chosen one since he was a boy and gifted with extremely potent force powers, he has a strong ego which he struggles to control, a weakness he is well aware of and angry at his inability to overcome. Where Padme sees diplomacy as the best way to achieve peace, Anakin - having grown up in a desolate and poverty-ridden corner of the galaxy which the Republic showed little interest in helping - believes sometimes bad things need to be in order to achieve a greater good, that the corrupt and evil cannot be defeated by talking. His relationships mean a lot to him and he puts a great deal of trust in a small number of confidantes (Padme, Palpatine, Obi Wan), magnifying his anger when he feels betrayed by them, or when he believes he has let them down, as in his inability to save his mother.
Even taking into account that Padme and Anakin had three films across which to develop and Rey's only had one, I maintain that, regardless of the performances (and indeed, for the prequels, the dialogue), the new characters in Force Awakens are considerably blander, less flawed and complex, than the key players (Anakin, Obi Wan, Palpatine, Padme) in the prequels.
Fix The Scientist
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Oh wow you picked up on the Nazi thing with Hux? It was soooooooo subtle
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