Not to mention incredibly sexist, it would literally be regressing to the point where women might as well start covering up.
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The Chinese Room accuses CD Projekt Red of making sexist games
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Not to mention incredibly sexist, it would literally be regressing to the point where women might as well start covering up.
Cabbagehead
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Exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P99...outube.com/watch?v=P99qJGrPNLs&has_verified=1
context is everything.
Summer Haze
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She's naked all over the game and its not really at odds with her character.
ClosingADoor
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No problem for me. What's your opinion then?
DC1
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Game promotion on multiple fronts. Not discriminatory nor a suggestion of broadbrushing all redheads in their mid 20s as sexual objects with high experience in rodent control concept.
Cob32
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I wouldn't worry. All the people who complain about it have day 1 pre-orders and support the games in question. The devs will never have a reason to change.
Sure, but we don't have this context--real or like the one you imagine--all we have is this woman in her underwear--which, again, isn't new or interesting--and feels rather more unfortunate given the state of the industry and its history. it's entirely possible critics might regret their words and deeds as the full context becomes clear, but on its own, i can definitely see the criticism.
Well if I recon right, a lot of feminist love Bayonetta for being sexy and have a full control on her sexuality. Really, it's just how you do it. And sometimes in the same game and with the same character it can be done right and sometimes wrong.
Let's analyze the sex scenes in the Witcher 3 for example. There's no problem with that in theory, but for instance, the camera insist so much on the tits and the ass of Yen rather on the emotions of the characters that it's obvious the point is to arouse the player and considering he's a straight guy (don't get me on "but what if the player is lesbian/bisexual and enjoys it", we can all enjoy it, I'm a straight guy myself, I watch porn like everybody else, it's not my point). Really it's just a matter of ingredients, how you wish to talk about it.
And I hate to repeat myself but really, I can understand why a lot of you disagree but we don't have to fall in the "it's PC SJW bullshit, now everything sexy is sexist", I'm sure we can have a constructive discussion.
Audioboxer
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Well that's what parts of the world genuinely want, and want with law/force. So it's not surprising that spills over into any medium that allows female or male characters to be depicted otherwise. Sex and nudity has forever been the bogeyman, violence tends to have made strides further to be less harassed and policed, and simply governed through ratings for content. America in the western world is still terrible with nudity, and still clutches to shaming around sex and ones biological urges to feel okay at being sexually stimulated/engaging in sex or masterbation.
It's more serious and dangerous in real life though. As a guy I've been warned by UK government travel advice for example not to wear shorts if I visit Saudi Arabia. Hahaha.
In all seriousness though that is a real problem, not nudity and sex in ESRB rated optional adult content.
Love Deterrence
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Idc rly but witcher 3 fans are super annoying, going to every corner of the universe to make sure you know that Hideki Kokimbo is evil for making quiet a plant monster and to break down the sophistication of horse sex
So they should have added a detailed plot synopsis, world description/history and character backstory/motivation to their tweet?
Valkyr1983
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The Chinese room, really?
Maybe they should spend some of that effort adding a run button to Rapture so someone will actually buy it
Maybe they should spend some of that effort adding a run button to Rapture so someone will actually buy it
That perspective renders the whole debate about whether a ficitonal character has "agency" or not rather moot, wouldn't you agree? Since the answer would always be "none of them ever do".
I agree that a constructive argument is better, and while the camera falls on the females tits n ass, you also have to remember that it's significantly harder to focus on a male having sex, and sexualising him without showing his penis.
Because they can't show the naughty bits touching, it becomes more difficult, hell a poster here has an avatar of Ryu naked from the chest down, we got shots of Geralt in that perspective, but because it's considered socially acceptable to show a mans bare chest, back or even legs, there's not much that can been done to reinforce it.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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hold r2 lmao
activatethesmile
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No model, it's Trish the in-game character.
Interesting, thanks for the replies.
Personally I have no issue about how CDPR depicted Trish in the game but her Playboy spread made me kind of eeehhhhhhhhh considering... well, it's Playboy, and it seemed like it's really unnecessary because it made it appear like "Yo! Buy this game that has this SEXY HOT CHICK in it!" kind of thing.
Audioboxer
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Hold X to Jason, hold R2 to run.
Summer Haze
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Barely even a brisk walk.
He said run not walk at average pace.
sorry couldn't help it lol, movement speed even with r2 was just so slow
Salty Rice
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Well they are also making far better games than you.
Scientist Supreme!
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This sort of childish comment is exactly why this industry is the way it is.
Audioboxer
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Then it's simply nude pixels. Even less of a concern to be outraged about.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
100% agree with you here. But probably not based on a tweet like this.
User 73706
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The Chinese Room: "this thing is probably sexist because it's doing things with the female form that were orchestrated by men"
A whole bunch of men on the internet: "it's not sexist at all, and let me tell you why"
"Maybe we should get some women to weigh in on this"
"Good one! Us gamers, huh? Last thing we need is more Anita Sarkeesians thoughtcriming us with her 1984s. Next you'll tell me Olivia Munn isn't appropriating nerd culture!"
"Could we maybe show a chick without having her all scantily-clad and whatnot"
"CENSORSHIP (nevermind that i'm not giving women a platform here), FREE SPEECH (nope still don't care about actual women having opinions on this), SJW THOUGHT POLICE (still don't care)"
"You know you can make powerful women characters without having them show off the goods right"
"Nice try satan! But those of us comfortable with ourobjectification of women sexuality know that there's nothing wrong with eye candy putting women on display for their bodies and nothing else a bunch of dudes on set posing a photoreal woman puppet to be on her knees in an attempt to drum up some presence the female form. What, are you saying Females shouldn't be comfortable with their bodies? That's extremely offensive and reverse objectification is very surprising coming from an SJW like yourself. It's about ethics in games journalisms, not treating women like people"
A whole bunch of men on the internet: "it's not sexist at all, and let me tell you why"
"Maybe we should get some women to weigh in on this"
"Good one! Us gamers, huh? Last thing we need is more Anita Sarkeesians thoughtcriming us with her 1984s. Next you'll tell me Olivia Munn isn't appropriating nerd culture!"
"Could we maybe show a chick without having her all scantily-clad and whatnot"
"CENSORSHIP (nevermind that i'm not giving women a platform here), FREE SPEECH (nope still don't care about actual women having opinions on this), SJW THOUGHT POLICE (still don't care)"
"You know you can make powerful women characters without having them show off the goods right"
"Nice try satan! But those of us comfortable with our
Cabbagehead
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Context is everything. Otherwise the criticism is only criticizing the idea of the sexualized image of woman. Regardless of an in world or real world situation. She just dressed that way, because she was in a night club not to long ago. Plus it's paying homage to a club sign in the Cypberpunk IP.
activatethesmile
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Well, the point we're arguing right now is how CDPR allegedly use sexual images perceived as sexist and how sexism allegedly pervades their games so the fact that it is "pixels" or not doesn't have anything to do with it, really.
Seems a particularly weird tweet from their main twitter account. Maybe someone thought they were making it on their personal account and were logged into the studio account instead.
I don't particularly agree with the tweet either.
The Witcher uses sex but it isn't sexist from what I can see. I thought the women characters were quite well-rounded, and the end-game of their story arcs weren't just that you could bone them now, like in Mass Effect.
I don't particularly agree with the tweet either.
The Witcher uses sex but it isn't sexist from what I can see. I thought the women characters were quite well-rounded, and the end-game of their story arcs weren't just that you could bone them now, like in Mass Effect.
Joyful
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noted
Valkyr1983
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The one that takes forever to start up and is still a slow jog
Yeah I already knew about r2
ClosingADoor
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CDProjekt doesn't pick GameSpots article thumbnails...
lordfuzzybutt
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Read the thread.
Audioboxer
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Yes it really does. Adults can behave like and be adults. If people are getting triggered by nude drawings then they must really live a sheltered life. Time to start looking at genuine problems in the real world.
Just don't Google nude art/drawings. I cannot be held responsible if anyone does.
User 73706
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Evidently they aren't, if you're putting "trans" into a category all its own and lumping everything into a gender trinary. Not to mention, y'know, the rest of your post is kind of at odds with the idea.
Not to mention The Chinese Room is doing the exact same thing for hits, considering there's no real loss for them in doing so. Best-case scenario, CD Projekt Red has to answer to the accusations, worst-case it stays isolated in petty squabbles like this where a bunch of dudes tell women what's empowering and what's not and why they should be happy to be paraded around half-naked.
This is super incoherent, and doesn't add to the discussion. There are examples of strong women that are not sexualised.
But every example of strong women that also is ok with her sexuality that I know if is criticised by people all the time as sexist, so what is your point when literally there are people who think that way?
Naw, don't like gymnastics.
For the 100th time. This is not a promotional image. It was never used by CDPR in promotional campaign. It was released by their contractors who made the teaser in their behance article. http://www.cgmeetup.net/home/making-of-cyberpunk-2077-by-platige-images/
I guess I have to inform all my feminist friends who love The Witcher 3 and find female characters to be well-written that their opinion isn't really their own. It's the "bunch of dudes", who tell The Chinese Room (who is obviously female) how it should feel about the game.
Jesus wept.
Acquiescence
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As opposed to The Chinese Room, who make neither sexist games nor games.
Audioboxer
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Even if it were a promotional image it is fine if the model is happy to be used to promote. Yes. Really. It is fine. Adult content in an adult game.
Why is it okay to use violence/gore to promote games, movies and books but not sex/nudity?
Maybe ask to have it added to the OP? that might help people see it more often?
Totally. But why do people get upset when something is labeled sexist?
Cabbagehead
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So were back to square one. Reflections of humanity are the genres themselves. Rather people like it or not.
Only woman can put forth their argument or non argument...because man are the problem.
No character "makes a choice", it's up to the writers and other creative contributors to depict and justify whoever it is they're creating at any given moment.
But this is the only foot they've put forward: an attractive woman in lingerie in the middle of the street, with no other context other than the suggestion that she joins whatever task force is pointing a gun to her moments earlier in the trailer. That's all we have to judge, and from a developer that has a troubled history with their depiction of women. I love the fuck out of Witcher 3 and think it has some wonderfully written characters, but let's not pretend that for all the progress made, the stench of the extreme male-gazey approach hasn't continued to linger as the series has progressed. And I'm not talking about the game having sex scenes.
People are going to raise an eyebrow when this is all they have had to go on for 3 years...
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