fabricated backlash
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So depiction of sexism is sexist now? Fuck off with that shit.
Next you'll tell me that brokeback Mountain is homophobic.
Next you'll tell me that brokeback Mountain is homophobic.
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The Chinese Room accuses CD Projekt Red of making sexist games
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TatteredHat
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Easy way to appear in the news for a dev who hasn't made anything of note.
GillianSeed79
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1. I like both The Chinese Room and CD Projekt Red, but found both of their last outings kind of boring.
2. I like the Witcher series.
3. So far the only media I've seen of Cyberpunk is that CG teaster trailer from a few years ago and this picture now of a chick in lingerie and her tits hanging out.
4. Before you grab your pitch forks, explain to me why I should be interested in Cyberpunk outside of CD Projekt's pedigree if all I have to go on is a pic of a chick in lingerie.
5. Just because you don't like walking simulators doesn't mean they aren't games.
2. I like the Witcher series.
3. So far the only media I've seen of Cyberpunk is that CG teaster trailer from a few years ago and this picture now of a chick in lingerie and her tits hanging out.
4. Before you grab your pitch forks, explain to me why I should be interested in Cyberpunk outside of CD Projekt's pedigree if all I have to go on is a pic of a chick in lingerie.
5. Just because you don't like walking simulators doesn't mean they aren't games.
Well see? CD can't possibly show that threesome happen! All the passion would surely require angles that end up earning the game an AO rating
RipperGrim
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People have a hard time grasping the concept of depicting sexism and actual sexism.
johnnydrama
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Does no one here know about Mislav in The Witcher 3? His quest deals with homophobia.
Oh I don't know about that, as I tend to steer away from 4chan.
GwyndolinCinder
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Why make a thread, giving them attention they so clearly crave?
Not being PC can be cool but I'll repeat myself : CDPR writes some good shit
BUT they still put some dumb shit in their games I think. Sure there are some Strong Female Characters but sometimes that trope is dumb as fuck and Witcher games haven't always been very subtle about it, that's all.
Dictator93
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You do not need to conflate your enjoyment of the female form to sexism/chauvanism!
No worries, I tend to only go for certain greentexts that I find funny, but even that way you start noticing patterns and consistencies unfortunately :/
Cabbagehead
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That promo wasn't for us it was to get people in the industry to look up how to work on that game. As its been noted a lot of times. Eitherway look up the Cypberpunk IP and udnerstand its world.
3: That picture is neither new (released back in 2013) nor comes from CDPR.
4. Again, non relevant. It was Gamespot's decision to use that picture. CDPR has never done so in their campaign.
5. Agreed.
Audioboxer
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To call bullshit out and allow there to be consequence for using a company Twitter to smear another gaming company.
Consequence meaning there be public awareness. Anyone simply name calling or being an idiot with abuse to TCR are morons themselves. Criticise the idea.
I mean, these things aren't released in a vacuum, man; for most of its history, the game's industry has had a notoriously fucked-up relationship with women--mostly but not limited to female representation--so an image like this certainly feels like a step back. Context is everything, and the only thing on evidence here nearly naked women--which feels like it was ripped straight from 90s marketing philosophy. it seems to me that people aren't critical of breasts specifically, but rather the context in which those breasts find themselves.
Also, while the fight for social equality might seem overbearing and inconvenient to you, these conversations actually create substantive change, and calling shit like this out is an important part of the process (particularly as this industry has a long way to go).
Sexy and objectified are not mutually exclusive. The picture gives very little context but I can imagine few situations where a woman is on her knees, in makeup and neglige and with a come hither stare, and not being objectified.
Frank Jaeger
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Are you sure? Because that's the general vibe I keep getting from these threads. I guess I made a wise decision in my formation years to keep my erotica consumption as hidden as possible. It's paying off now!
RipperGrim
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I think it's crazy that such a blatant insult is coming from the companies official account. It really makes it look like Chinese room have little professionalism.
This is what I personally will never forgive them for. How the hell did they manage to fuck up Amnesia so badly. Goddamnit, now I'm pissed off about that all over again.
Geralt as a character, at least in the early short stories and early books, is intentionally presented as immature and hypocritical, which is why he always struggles with choosing the lesser evil. Like, he's a literal manchild in some of the books. This aspect is the entire basis of The Witcher 1 where the whole game revolves around the consequences of Geralt's behaviour and hypocrisy. Also why it has the best story of the three games.
In the case of sexism, you could argue that Geralt is to some degree chauvinistic but that's intentional. In the books, I don't think its really played to Geralt's benefit as he's taken advantage of quite often and characters often admonish his immaturity.
To CDPR's discredit, this aspect doesn't really come into play in the games. Geralt doesn't really suffer any significant consequences for what he does and I don't think he ever gets called out for it either, except for a single scene in The Witcher 3 which is still presented as a joke rather than anything serious. They've ditched the cards but sex scenes are still presented as a reward for doing something "positive", like saving Mottle, beating Ves and Jutta, or helping Sasha.
Simplifying sexual relationships to input, output and reward is like in every video game with sex but this is the one department where CDPR hasn't really improved at all. Again, you get no cards anymore but Mottle gives you a shortcut key that saves a fair bit of backtracking if you sleep with her (which you don't get if you refuse). ShockingAlberto actually wrote a really good article recently regarding this phenomenon which is very well worth reading.
In the case of sexism, you could argue that Geralt is to some degree chauvinistic but that's intentional. In the books, I don't think its really played to Geralt's benefit as he's taken advantage of quite often and characters often admonish his immaturity.
To CDPR's discredit, this aspect doesn't really come into play in the games. Geralt doesn't really suffer any significant consequences for what he does and I don't think he ever gets called out for it either, except for a single scene in The Witcher 3 which is still presented as a joke rather than anything serious. They've ditched the cards but sex scenes are still presented as a reward for doing something "positive", like saving Mottle, beating Ves and Jutta, or helping Sasha.
Simplifying sexual relationships to input, output and reward is like in every video game with sex but this is the one department where CDPR hasn't really improved at all. Again, you get no cards anymore but Mottle gives you a shortcut key that saves a fair bit of backtracking if you sleep with her (which you don't get if you refuse). ShockingAlberto actually wrote a really good article recently regarding this phenomenon which is very well worth reading.
Audioboxer
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The "women" you talk about are fictional characters. Polygons don't have hurt feelings, emotions and can suffer from PTSD after violence, sexual or non.
Equality is rightfully fought for in real life, in work environments and for women/men abused and in danger.
Make that distinction and you can actually start looking for real inequality and sexism in the world. Not within polygons and fiction.
Some Nobody
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I'm fascinated by how what's basically supposed to be a PR box can randomly take shots at another gaming company.
Doctor Ninja
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To some people, women cannot be sexy in any sort of context, like ever.
Even if the statement seems a bit salty and baity. It doesn't even seem that controversial or worth getting bothered over. You can label this criticism against most video games and CD-Projekt is in no way the worst example even among AAA. They have improved a lot since Witcher 1 which should be applauded but you can still be critical at the same time.
PodcastFips
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Because they outright shat on another developer using their official Twitter account.
Vulcano's assistant
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Thank you, I know I am one of the funny ones.
Cabbagehead
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Yeah but what exactly are they pointing out? the context to that picture and the what leads up to it is lost. Just because they see a scantly clad women.
Context: A virus is going around making cyborgs and trans human alike lose their shit and creating havoc out of no where. An this promo character killed people in a night club hence heir dress, plus note the genre. But even in the end her story doesn't end there.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Who said you should be excited based on a picture? It's weird ignoring CDP's pedigree cause that's why people are excited for Cyberpunk. If John Doe Games would have announced that game, nobody would care. If From Software would have announced it, people would care. I don't really understand what you mean here. It's all about the pedigree.
Look at this happy dog and tell me you want to ignore him
Are videogame women or imaginary women in charge of their own sexuality?
Because if they are nothing surrounding them can be called sexist
And if they are not any hint of sexuality can be called sexist and objetification.
jimbobsmells
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I thought we were talking about a picture of a human being attached to Gamespot's tweet? I'm pretty sure she's in charge of her own sexuality. In fact she's a well known Polish model.
DC1
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Don't think it was an insult at all. Just a play on acronyms and relevant finger speak.
Krusenstern
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LMAO. Exactly.
But pretty much all the notes me woman in the witches 3 easily classify as powerful women that take charge of their sexuality.
Yes they are written that way, that doesn't take away from the fact that it's empowering, not sexist.
To say otherwise would be to imply that any woman in fiction cannot have a sexual aspect without being sexist.
activatethesmile
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What do you guys think about the Trish photoshoot for the Playboy magazine? Sexism or not? Positive, negative, good, bad? I assume that was most definitely approved by CDPR, was it not?
Cabbagehead
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Which is a scary, scary future.
Seems to be the woman the character in the trailer was modeled after where she was on her knees covered in blood with her blades out and several dead bodies surrounding her.
The character in the trailer is cg puppet. She's not in charge of anything. She's drawn, modeled, posed, and written by dozens of individuals.
Audioboxer
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If the model wanted to do it, so what? It can be viewed as good or bad depending on personal opinion and aversion to sex/nudity, but it is not sexist.
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