There's a difference between not caring and saying "I don't care and therefore no one else actually cares either and they're all just pretending"
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Scathing CNET article on crossplay: "PlayStation seems intent on remaining an island"
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There's a difference between not caring and saying "I don't care and therefore no one else actually cares either and they're all just pretending"
This is mindboggling to me. This makes the PS4 experience BETTER. Why not?
It wouldn't. A bigger pool of players means more people from your region which means better connection for your matches. It's so simple and obvious and yet people still think "lol i have plenty of players on PS4 already no benefits". Baffling.
Even beyond that, I've yet to hear an explanation for what's so terrible about logging in via Xbox Live? It sounds like the most convenient way for MS to keep track of your content/activity across devices, rather than reinvent the wheel here. And it's just for a single game, If you already own a PS4, a login is not going to tempt you to go Xbox if you don't own one already.
Now, I do think that there may be a more profound explanation for Sony holding out, and I do believe that's there been a crazy overreaction to all of this. But I also don't understand how anyone could object to logging in to another service, same as we do for all other services - and servers.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
That has nothing to do with Sony because Blizzard and Respawn are aware of the PC advantage with FPS games. Those companies wouldn't have any reason to limit cross console play for their games.
But everyone keeps saying "play with friends across paltforms." Is that even true?
DriftingSpirit
Member
Just Gaf gaffing. Enjoy the ride.
benicillin
Banned
One of my major problems with cross play, and I've yet to see a good solution for it (at least in major titles) is that players from another system would lack the hooks into the system-level environment so you'd have to do everything through in-game stuff. If I wanted to send a message, or invite them to my party, or look at their profile and they were on an Xbox and I was on a PS4, I'd have no way of doing that.
Minecraft and Rocket League. Two games out of hundreds. So let's say Sony implements crossplay. You get to play Rocket League with your friend on XB1 for a few hours and it's a good time.
But then you want to play Destiny or Anthem or Battlefield. You're still stuck on the same islands. And I guarantee that not even MS is going to crossplay their latest AAA titles - ones they have exclusive marketing deals with - and let people with PS4s play Anthem with XB1X owners when they've spent millions of dollars trying to convince people that XB1X is the best place to play it on.
But then you want to play Destiny or Anthem or Battlefield. You're still stuck on the same islands. And I guarantee that not even MS is going to crossplay their latest AAA titles - ones they have exclusive marketing deals with - and let people with PS4s play Anthem with XB1X owners when they've spent millions of dollars trying to convince people that XB1X is the best place to play it on.
This post is incredibly bizarre. Nothing about it addresses what is good for customers, only what is good for Sony, the company.
Please, please tell me you're a Sony employee.
CassidyIzABeast
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I'm not rolling with there being a catch when Nintendo is involved.
We're talking about a company who uses that clusterfuck for voice chat because they want to keep children safe being fully on board with this.
No excuse is good enough at this point.
We're talking about a company who uses that clusterfuck for voice chat because they want to keep children safe being fully on board with this.
No excuse is good enough at this point.
The Cross-Platform Armistice of 2017. Layden on one side Phil on the other. Geoff Keighley as the mediator. Terms are both MS and Sony have to fund the creation of 3rd party studio and AAA game(s) that come with cross-platform play. Invite Nintendo too.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
It's benefits are really small since it's a game with healthy player base with crossplay between ps4 and pc. Might as well let Rocket league do it for the good press but it doesn't help PS4 owners much of it's just more random players in a healthy game
What bugs even more about this is that it was Sony who helped propel Rocket League to the popularity they now have. You'd think they would at least do them a solid & enable a feature they clearly want to implement.
I think that whenever possible, devs should try enable cross platform play. Don't even make a big deal about it. Just do it. It should pressure Sony even more if titles more than Minecraft & Rocket League support this.
I think that whenever possible, devs should try enable cross platform play. Don't even make a big deal about it. Just do it. It should pressure Sony even more if titles more than Minecraft & Rocket League support this.
While not cross-play specifically, what is the opinion on sharing always online content? The best example is Destiny, where characters between PS3 and PS4 were shared, but a player would have to start from scratch if they wanted an Xbox character. What if they could have 1 character go across the PSN/XBL(and soon to be battlenet) divide.
Mass Effect
Member
They'll cave eventually. Once big 3rd party AAA devs/pubs start adopting cross-platform play, they won't have much of a choice.
You guys do realize that you can't party up in most cross-platform play games, right?
Even if Sony allowed it, it's not like you'd be able to talk to, or party up with, your friends on other systems for most games.
You guys do realize that you can't party up in most cross-platform play games, right?
Even if Sony allowed it, it's not like you'd be able to talk to, or party up with, your friends on other systems for most games.
unapersson
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franklyshankly
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Okay you're right that's a benefit. Just a really really small one and not what people are thinking of when they say they want crossplay.
They want to group up with their friends and actually play games together, not just have more randoms in the matchmaking pool.
Better connection and less lag/issues are hardly "small benefits" for multiplayer games of any genre.
There is a difference between supporting a business decision and understanding a business decision. There is no way Sony is going to encourage 10+million of its player base to sign up for xbox live for minecraft. WE may not agree with it as players, but we understand it as a business decision.
InsaneTiger
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Me
it matters to sony because people who would potentially buy their system to play with friends won't have to do it anymore. but more than hardware sales its software sales and locking people to their ecosystem where the money is in the gaming industry. cross platform play makes it less likely for some to buy games on ps4 when they can just buy it on another system and still be able to play with their friends/people on the ps4 side of things. also, they no longer have the most powerful system in the market, we are yet to see how the xb1x does in the market, especially at that price point, but most 3rd parties game will perform better on it, and some people will buy it for that, now imagine microsoft somehow manages to get a price drop for it sooner than later, it could very well get some momentum going, couple that with cross platform suddenly becoming a thing, why would anyone buy 3rd party software on sony hardware?
i mean sony are still a business
Liliana Eileen
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True nature of a poster revealed. Are we on Gamefaqs right now?
So, let me get this straight.
Minecraft doesn't matter because you "don't care about it?"
Rocket League having more players on Playstation is IRRELEVANT; you originally made it seem like XBL is in desperate need of crossplay support when RL is consistently in the 10 top of games played every single month and has a massive userbase on XB1. Saying "bu-bu-but it has more players on PS" has no significance in this topic.
Xbox gamers desperate to have PlayStation? Instead of being a fanboy and shilling on behalf of lord Sony, realize that a there is a large majority of PlayStation players and fans that would absolutely love crossplay, as evidenced on NeoGAF the past few days.
"not enough people on xbox to play with" ugh, already addressed that but you need to go outside and get some fresh air. Get that console warrior bullshit out of here.
bemusedchunk
Banned
People won't stop buying Playstations, or exclusives over this.
Enjoy Spiderman, guys.
Enjoy Spiderman, guys.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Sure, but usually when people don't care about something they don't even bother commenting on it. All of these threads have been cluttered by this "Who cares?" stuff, when the answer is obvious. Whoever is in the thread talking about how they want it care.
Anything that amounts to "Who cares?" is just a shit post.
There is also a difference between understanding a business decision and defending the company for making it.
Not saying you are, but many have. Consumers really shouldn't care about what is or isn't a good business decision unless the decision could potentially sink the business.
People who bring up this point also seem to forget that there have been times when companies have made bone headed decisions and reversed their stances when enough people gave them shit about it. Even if it might not have been in the companies best business interest.
Not only that it is a weird hypothetical issue that could occur years from now
If they keep aim assist for the controller the edge still goes to the controller. They did this on Black Ops 3 and the community hated it and my KDR was much higher with a controller than it was with a mkb. No aim assist and the PC players would destroy it's very hard to balance fairly and one side is always going to be upset.
Edit: Even with Aim assist the precision weapons like the Sniper were better with mkb. I also think BO3 didn't have aim assist on Sniper even with console release so that may be why as well.
Sony funding exclusives that would have otherwise not been made is good for people.
That's in the post. They need to stay competitive. A large userbase with online that is populated helps keep people in their ecosystem right now.
They're going to have a tough time when MS merges Xbox and PC. The game compatibility library would just be too high.
Thats ridiculous logic based on nothing?
And we'll call them out if that happens. It hasn't though.
There would be a chance, but yea. Each dev would need their own backend/network like CFN where you can add people that only play that one game
H3rTz DoNuT
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Dude, xbox is my main console and it was since original xbox, how am I a fanboy now lol common man.
Crossplay won't stop Sony from doing good exclusives. specially because exclusives won't be part of crossplay since they are exclusives. You're not making any sense.
If you really think crossplay would hurt Sony that deeply and that they would stop making new games because of it, you have a way bigger issue in your mind
GuitarAtomik
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From the Rocket League devs themselves:
- Faster matchmaking connections due to a bigger player pool in your region
- Better competition due to a bigger player pool
Beyond that specifically, these baby steps allow for devs to make the case to start investing in the infrastructure that would allow for more meaningful communication between games.
Good post.
I thought about this re reading the initial quote for the think of children response from Sony:
Re reading that quote I think he was thinking along these lines.
I wanna say just worry about what you can control. Or let MS deal with it. If thats even possible.
Like this has me reading up on TOS of uPlay and whatever else is in 3rd party games.
If Sony can allow uPlay, WBPlay, Origin, etc. why not a Live login for Minecraft? Because they dont sell consoles?
Well they sell games. They are competing with companies for hardware and software.
Dont you need a Rockstar Social login to play GTA V online? Not really sure...Just bringing that up because the of the children line.
To me Sony has no choice but to allow it.
mentallyinept
Banned
I was about to respond to that post, but this is pretty much point for point what I wanted to say. Well put.
Your logic is ridiculous and short sighted if you don't think a PC xbox would seriously hurt Sony consoles going forward.
Cross-play means they lose an edge in having high multiplayer counts for their games. Something that would help keep players buying from their ecosystem. Which they'll need going forward into future gens.
Some of you guys seem to have trouble reading, I'm repeating myself.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
For a game as densely populated as Rocket league yea i don't see it moving the needle much.
Where cross play with random players really helps is more niche genres and games. Things like the fighting game genre. And having SFV be cross play has helped it keep active users
But again if it's just more random people that's nice, but it's not a key feature IMO that would be, being able to invite, party up and play with people across platforms. And to me that seems like a much bigger logistical hurdle. Sony shouldn't block it but I don't see that as a "flip a switch" case
Todesritter74
Member
This is worth remembering. Developers will still be able to design and approve or not of cross-play, so even if Sony jumps in, it does not mean every game going forward will do it.
That said, I would be willing for it to become widespread only if it's invisible to the player. As in no need to log in with another set of credentials and no restrictions on maps/modes by playerbase.
Seeing that most AAA games won't be on switch and any competitive multiplayer game would have to leave PC out of the crossplay. I feel like for most games, it will just be Sony sharing their playerbase with Xbox.
And being the market leader, there's not much reason for Sony to do that. Sony doesn't want you to be able to play with your Xbox friends. That gets them nothing. They want your Xbox friends to move to Playstation.
I've said this before in another thread. But apart from exclsuives the number 2 reason I chose PS over Xbox was that my friends were on it. If there was crossplay, I think I could've been convinced to go Xbox One instead.
Sony's not going to give up this advantage.
And being the market leader, there's not much reason for Sony to do that. Sony doesn't want you to be able to play with your Xbox friends. That gets them nothing. They want your Xbox friends to move to Playstation.
I've said this before in another thread. But apart from exclsuives the number 2 reason I chose PS over Xbox was that my friends were on it. If there was crossplay, I think I could've been convinced to go Xbox One instead.
Sony's not going to give up this advantage.