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The UFC 129 Thread of 55,000 people chanting "GSP! GSP!"
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dream said:
GSP doesn't try to finish guys though. Why take the risk when he knows he can beat anyone this way?
AranhaHunter
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I'm pretty excited for this event, but there's a high probability that GSP-Shields could be a boring fight, I think Shields has a very dangerous ground game though and could make it entertaining (at least for educated fangs).
dream
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Boogie said:
It puts a big asterisk beside his name when we talk about him as a p4p great. One that says "*couldn't finish a sloppy British fighter." Or "*did not stop a one eyed wrestler."
Anderson fucking around with his opponents can suck but we know he's capable of knocking anyone out on any night. The best we can say about GSP is he'll go out there and win a bunch of rounds.
BigJonsson
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sien916 said:
So you expect GSP to dance around and jab his eyeball like Kos?
sien916 said:
Most of it consists of "Shields has great wrestling. He took down former Olympic wrestler Dan Henderson repeatedly!"
I am skeptical of that example because Hendo A) is old and B) has occasionally shown himself to not have exceptional TDD (ie. being taken down by Bustamante).
dem
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http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/04/22/jason-mayhem-miller-signs-with-ufc/
Mayhem in the UFC
wrong thread.. oops
Mayhem in the UFC
wrong thread.. oops
Pristine_Condition
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Boogie said:
Right. Unfortunately for your misguided point, the existence of Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo already alters GSP's place as a Top 2 P4P.
Why GSP gets so much of the respect that rightfully belongs to Jose Aldo, is unfathomable to me. GSP hasn't finished anyone in 26+ months. In that time, Jose Aldo has destroyed five men, (2 more men than GSP has fought in the same span,) in truly spectacular fashion, with only one going the distance, only to wind up on crutches due to Aldo's crippling attack.
Jose Aldo Reel
Jose Aldo Speaks the Truth
Pristine_Condition said:
Because Aldo fights in a division that hasn't yet "established" itself, and he's barely been champion for a year and a half. Until the beginning of this year, 145 was a 2nd tier league by virtue of its WEC status. ie. smaller UFC LWs would make the choice to keep fighting at LW rather than drop to a better-fitting FW division because of the disparity in pay between UFC and WEC. With the merger, that may change.
If Aldo still reigns supreme at 145 in a year and a half to two years from now, I believe the p4p debate becomes a three horse race. It's not yet.
(aside: not many sites put out a p4p ranking. Sherdog's is the most noteworthy, and currently has GSP as #1, but GSP and Silva have pretty much had the top two spots interchangeably over the past couple years. Sherdog has Aldo as #3 p4p, a position I agree with.)
ie: this Jonathon Snowden op-ed piece (as much as I normally can't stand Snowden):
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/2/1909038/ufc-125-results-forget-what-you-think-you-know-about-the
Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. Jake Shields [decision]
Featherweight Championship bout: José Aldo vs. Mark Hominick [TKO, 2nd]
Light Heavyweight bout: Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Jason Brilz [Submission, 2nd]
Light Heavyweight bout: Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida [TKO, 2nd]
Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Ben Henderson [Decision]
Featherweight Championship bout: José Aldo vs. Mark Hominick [TKO, 2nd]
Light Heavyweight bout: Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Jason Brilz [Submission, 2nd]
Light Heavyweight bout: Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida [TKO, 2nd]
Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Ben Henderson [Decision]
BigJonsson said:
I don't see why he'd avoid a glaring weakness. If I had to guess I'd say he'll employ a similar fight strategy. Using his athleticism and not overcomitting to strikes so he's ready for Shields' attempts to shoot/clench.
Don't forget GSP hit a TD on Kos within 30 seconds of the fight starting. I'm curious to see if GSP is willing to engage and push the wrestling pace with Shields to test his cardio. Would definitely be playing with fire though...
Boogie said:
Yeah, Hendo was flat footed, plodding forward setting up bombs. The single-leg was ripe for the picking most of the fight. GSP has a different skill set and fight mentality...I think takedown opportunities will be a lot harder to come by.
What GSP fears the most...
I don't see why GSP takes it to the ground, Shields has possibly the softest hands in the division, while there is the possibility of being submitted.
I don't see why GSP takes it to the ground, Shields has possibly the softest hands in the division, while there is the possibility of being submitted.
sien916 said:
What I think/would like to see GSP do is have a strategy of striking in round 1/halfway through round 2 to soften Shields up. Mid round 2/round 3, after he has softened Shields up standing, he dumps him on his back to work some GnP, and then in the later rounds commits more fully in the standup looking for the finish.
Sort of the inverse of the second Penn fight, in a way.
But then maybe he shoots and puts Shields on his ass in 30 seconds too.
I'm looking forward to the results from the Marquardt/Johnson fight. Also Condit/Kim should be a barnburner that could have title fight implications.
GSP has more potential fights than Anderson Silva. I hope the UFC doesn't pit Silva against GSP anytime soon.
Condit/Kim, Marquardt/Johnson, Sanchez, and potentially Jake Ellenberger.
GSP has more potential fights than Anderson Silva. I hope the UFC doesn't pit Silva against GSP anytime soon.
Condit/Kim, Marquardt/Johnson, Sanchez, and potentially Jake Ellenberger.
BigJonsson
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I expect a head kick KO
BigJonsson
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Boogie said:
Nah, UFC Undisputed for 360 style......spam dem head kicks
TOM f'N CRUISE
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GSP GSP GSP GSP
pseudocaesar
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I love GSP as a person, but I dont like him as a fighter. He just doesnt take risks. I really want to see Shields RNC him unconscious.
TheKaeptain
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dream said:You've taken your first step into a larger world.
Support real fighters.
The guy that couldn't beat Frankie Edgar.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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Daigoro said:
If they pay off sure. If not you look like an ass........ then you have gaffers saying he shouldn't take risks.
BigJonsson
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Whoa
Randy is on a 3 fight win streak for the first time in 10 years lol
Of course its not like Coleman, Vera and Toney are top notch fighters these days
Randy is on a 3 fight win streak for the first time in 10 years lol
Of course its not like Coleman, Vera and Toney are top notch fighters these days
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Vera hasnt been HORRIBLE, Randy wrestlefucked him after Vera landed some sweet hits. Bones Jones fucked him good and cracked his skull. Then lost to a cheat.
Pristine_Condition
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
The "risks" GSP refuses to take aren't even really risky though, and that's what's infuriating.
When he had Kos blinded in one eye, really, how risky would it have been for him to try to work more hooks and kicks to the blind side to get the KO? Not very. Why didn't he? Only him and Jackson know.
How risky would it have been for him to try more than three honest submission attempts in 25 minutes while dominating Hardy on the ground and knowing that he could get another takedown at will? Not risky at all.
IMO, Anthony "Rumble" Johnson made more of an attempt in three rounds to submit Hardy than GSP did in five. Think about that. It's fucking pitiful.
pseudocaesar
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Pristine_Condition said:
I was going to post a response to them, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Daigoro said:
He will get more money if he's entertaining (more entertaining = more PPV buys. I'm sure he gets a percentage). I used to love to watch him fight. His fight against Trigg was completely amazing. Serra 2 was great as well. When you're grinding out decisions in 5 round fights, you're going to get some backlash. Koscheck 2 was entertaining in the fact that he was so much better than him, yet disappointing because he never really tried to finish him.
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