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Metal Gear Solid HD Collection |OT| The Naked, the Solid and the Lightning
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RIDLEY'S TOTALLY RELIABLE ASSESSMENTS OF EACH OF THE ORIGINAL GAMES, PART 2:
MGS3: In most long-running series, no matter what the medium, the third installment is where the apathy begins to set in, where we're used to the tricks and treats that they throw at us since we've seen them so many times before (this is especially interesting for the Metal Gear series in general, as MGS1 is the third game to be released and it is, for all intents and purposes, a polygonal remake of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, although no one outside of importers with way too much disposable income could tell you this until the first two games were finally made available in 2006). To put it mildly, the third installment of anything would have to do something amazing to truly impress, especially when you have to follow up such a massive and divisive project like MGS2.
So what did Kojima and his team do? They changed everything we knew about the series.
Moving away from the familiar, comfortable trappings of X Industrial Facility Overrun With Guards to the asymmetrical, unpredictable and expansive setting of a jungle while removing the Soliton radar, that oh so useful visual aid in judging how close you were to danger in favor of a camouflage mechanic was bold. More than bold, really; it was completely insane. Deciding to not continue the many dangling plot threads MGS2 left unanswered (and even after a seven year wait, KojiPro still couldn't wrap them up properly!) in lieu of a prequel that features only two returning characters (both of them antagonists, at that), was even more crazy. And adding a survival element, which has you watching out for your stamina as well as your bodily health on top of all this? What the hell was going on? Somehow, Kojima managed to make a game that felt more experimental than MGS2; just when we thought we couldn't have the rug pulled from underneath us again, they found a way.
Extolling the virtues of the game means having to lament the downfalls, some more profound than others. The radical shift in how the game plays was something that needed to happen and is pulled off magnificently, and yet the camera was identical to how its always been, hindering this incredible leap forward at every turn. The camouflage system is a more realistic take on stealth rather than the rudimentary "don't be in the light" approach of its competitor, Splinter Cell, but its clumsy menu-driven implementation hurts its effectiveness. This same issue also hampers the survival aspects, despite them being used in some incredibly clever ways. The controls themselves also feel incredibly clunky for what the game asks of you, whether it be the overly sensitive manner of holding up a guard or the finger pretzel that is aiming down the sights of an automatic weapon, and yet the CQC system managed to breathe new life into the hand-to-hand combat. Crazy as it may sound, the only aspect positive aspect of the game that isn't weighed down by outdated implementation is the story, which presents a far more grounded and less preachy experience than MGS2 offered, despite featuring a character that has mastery over bees and another that can photosynthesize.
And yet, my thoughts after when I beat the game first time didn't turn to the frustration I encountered. I thought about how much of a thrill it was to turn an early ambush to my favor with nothing more than the appropriate camouflage and an empty gun. I thought about how I managed to defeat a boss at his own game by throwing rotten food at him. I thought back to how the game divides both halves, resulting in one of the all-time greatest and bizarre non sequiturs that the game makes you play through. I thought about spending nearly two hours fighting a boss because he hides a lot better than you do, forcing you to use all of the tools at your disposal in order to find him. I thought about escaping confinement with a fork. I thought about the game making me feel very sorry about killing all the guys I did. I thought about wondering how far I could go with the world's most effective handkerchief (answer: very far indeed). I thought what the game did when I decided to see how it would handle me killing one of the characters long before his expiration date. I thought about what the game just made me do in order to complete it. My thoughts crystallized, I had decided I had played one of the greatest games ever made, and one that would go down in history as being truly incomparable.
In contrast to the previous re-release, Subsistence didn't really add a ton of new gameplay to it, but it did fix the biggest problem the game had. The user-controlled camera changed everything, and it managed to make the entire experience feel fresh once more. Also added were the very first two games in the series, fully translated and available for the first time to English speaking audiences. Also added was Metal Gear Online, a fun (while it lasted) multiplayer take on the gameplay introduced in MGS3 that was surprisingly robust for its time. On top of that, a proper cinema viewer was implemented in addition to a showcase of the hilarious Secret Theater clips that KojiPro had been releasing prior to the game's release. It may not have added hours and hours of gameplay to the core game, but it was nevertheless a fantastic upgrade.
What the HD version can add: Due to the ambition of the game relative to the PS2 hardware, the gameplay itself was sadly capped at 30 fps, a massive downgrade from MGS2 in that department (traces of it still existed in the game, as the menus ran at 60 fps). Also, with widescreen gaming becoming more and more prevalent at the time of the original game's release, the 4:3 aspect ratio was starting to feel suffocating in light of the gameplay changes. Thankfully for us, KojiPro and the folks at Bluepoint Games felt the same way, as gamers new and old will finally be able to experience the game at 60 fps and in widescreen. I cannot wait to give this game a spin once again.
MGS3: In most long-running series, no matter what the medium, the third installment is where the apathy begins to set in, where we're used to the tricks and treats that they throw at us since we've seen them so many times before (this is especially interesting for the Metal Gear series in general, as MGS1 is the third game to be released and it is, for all intents and purposes, a polygonal remake of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, although no one outside of importers with way too much disposable income could tell you this until the first two games were finally made available in 2006). To put it mildly, the third installment of anything would have to do something amazing to truly impress, especially when you have to follow up such a massive and divisive project like MGS2.
So what did Kojima and his team do? They changed everything we knew about the series.
Moving away from the familiar, comfortable trappings of X Industrial Facility Overrun With Guards to the asymmetrical, unpredictable and expansive setting of a jungle while removing the Soliton radar, that oh so useful visual aid in judging how close you were to danger in favor of a camouflage mechanic was bold. More than bold, really; it was completely insane. Deciding to not continue the many dangling plot threads MGS2 left unanswered (and even after a seven year wait, KojiPro still couldn't wrap them up properly!) in lieu of a prequel that features only two returning characters (both of them antagonists, at that), was even more crazy. And adding a survival element, which has you watching out for your stamina as well as your bodily health on top of all this? What the hell was going on? Somehow, Kojima managed to make a game that felt more experimental than MGS2; just when we thought we couldn't have the rug pulled from underneath us again, they found a way.
Extolling the virtues of the game means having to lament the downfalls, some more profound than others. The radical shift in how the game plays was something that needed to happen and is pulled off magnificently, and yet the camera was identical to how its always been, hindering this incredible leap forward at every turn. The camouflage system is a more realistic take on stealth rather than the rudimentary "don't be in the light" approach of its competitor, Splinter Cell, but its clumsy menu-driven implementation hurts its effectiveness. This same issue also hampers the survival aspects, despite them being used in some incredibly clever ways. The controls themselves also feel incredibly clunky for what the game asks of you, whether it be the overly sensitive manner of holding up a guard or the finger pretzel that is aiming down the sights of an automatic weapon, and yet the CQC system managed to breathe new life into the hand-to-hand combat. Crazy as it may sound, the only aspect positive aspect of the game that isn't weighed down by outdated implementation is the story, which presents a far more grounded and less preachy experience than MGS2 offered, despite featuring a character that has mastery over bees and another that can photosynthesize.
And yet, my thoughts after when I beat the game first time didn't turn to the frustration I encountered. I thought about how much of a thrill it was to turn an early ambush to my favor with nothing more than the appropriate camouflage and an empty gun. I thought about how I managed to defeat a boss at his own game by throwing rotten food at him. I thought back to how the game divides both halves, resulting in one of the all-time greatest and bizarre non sequiturs that the game makes you play through. I thought about spending nearly two hours fighting a boss because he hides a lot better than you do, forcing you to use all of the tools at your disposal in order to find him. I thought about escaping confinement with a fork. I thought about the game making me feel very sorry about killing all the guys I did. I thought about wondering how far I could go with the world's most effective handkerchief (answer: very far indeed). I thought what the game did when I decided to see how it would handle me killing one of the characters long before his expiration date. I thought about what the game just made me do in order to complete it. My thoughts crystallized, I had decided I had played one of the greatest games ever made, and one that would go down in history as being truly incomparable.
In contrast to the previous re-release, Subsistence didn't really add a ton of new gameplay to it, but it did fix the biggest problem the game had. The user-controlled camera changed everything, and it managed to make the entire experience feel fresh once more. Also added were the very first two games in the series, fully translated and available for the first time to English speaking audiences. Also added was Metal Gear Online, a fun (while it lasted) multiplayer take on the gameplay introduced in MGS3 that was surprisingly robust for its time. On top of that, a proper cinema viewer was implemented in addition to a showcase of the hilarious Secret Theater clips that KojiPro had been releasing prior to the game's release. It may not have added hours and hours of gameplay to the core game, but it was nevertheless a fantastic upgrade.
What the HD version can add: Due to the ambition of the game relative to the PS2 hardware, the gameplay itself was sadly capped at 30 fps, a massive downgrade from MGS2 in that department (traces of it still existed in the game, as the menus ran at 60 fps). Also, with widescreen gaming becoming more and more prevalent at the time of the original game's release, the 4:3 aspect ratio was starting to feel suffocating in light of the gameplay changes. Thankfully for us, KojiPro and the folks at Bluepoint Games felt the same way, as gamers new and old will finally be able to experience the game at 60 fps and in widescreen. I cannot wait to give this game a spin once again.
IGN put up a short video preview with some new footage.
Nothing crazy, but it does confirm what I figured they were going to do with the transfarring feature for Peace Walker: trophies get locked on a save file that wasn't started on the PS3.
EDIT: A more detailed look at how it works.
Nothing crazy, but it does confirm what I figured they were going to do with the transfarring feature for Peace Walker: trophies get locked on a save file that wasn't started on the PS3.
EDIT: A more detailed look at how it works.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Awesome OP. My wallet am cry.
SolidSnakex
Member
Trophies
MGS2
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS2)
MGS3
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS3)
Peace Walker
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS:_Peace_Walker)
Each game has its own platinum trophy.
MGS2
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS2)
MGS3
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS3)
Peace Walker
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metal-gear-solid-hd-collection/Achievements_/_Trophies_(MGS:_Peace_Walker)
Each game has its own platinum trophy.
Gouda Jouji
Member
Oh man, the trophies are different from the achievements, that was unexpected.
Risk Breaker
Member
I was worried the trophies were going to be bad but no, they are actually pretty damn cool.
Though at least judging from MGS2 list, I'll get most of them on a playthrough. I mean, kissing the locker girls? Which MGS2 lover doesn't do that EVERY time?
Though at least judging from MGS2 list, I'll get most of them on a playthrough. I mean, kissing the locker girls? Which MGS2 lover doesn't do that EVERY time?
Absoludacrous
Member
Wario64 said:
I don't know whether to be happy or sad that PS3 has exclusive trophies.
Gouda Jouji
Member
Love Hurt
Watch Rose kill Raiden on a rooftop.
Watch Rose kill Raiden on a rooftop.
wat
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
pages are down
anyone copy and paste them like with the 360 achieves?
anyone copy and paste them like with the 360 achieves?
Absoludacrous
Member
Gouda Jouji
Member
"The End" is also an achievement, I think IGN might of made a mistake there.
GalacticAE
Member
I was hoping for a Foxhound rank achievement for MGS3. Oh well.
Ladyboy101
Banned
dont feel like to translate entire thing.GameE said:What does this say?
in short, ps3 version is better than 360.
it sounds like a personal opinion
GalacticAE
Member
Ridley327 said:
sadistic and adorable.
Assuming it's the Chinese translation of the Famitsu reviews -
・紧张的故事展开带来很高投入度。能够以大画面高画质来体验实在让人高兴。难度虽然比较高但育成方面很有深度也可以尽兴游戏。Fulton的回收让人兴奋。有P SP版的下载码很合算。360版没那么合算不过也肯定是好作品
// Tense story brings high engagement. HD visual experience is joyful. Although the game is not easy, there is depth and growth. Taking back Fulton is joyful. Having free PSP download code adds a lot of value, 360 version does not have that much value but it remains a good product.
・完成度之高和游戏的乐趣之大早就已经得到过证实。针对HD主机的微调也能让游戏可以更顺畅的尽兴。音效工厂的沉迷度进一步提升。PS3版附带PSP版下载版并 且可以记录联动让人十分高兴
// Polish and fun has already been proven (with previous PSP release). But the tweaks made for the HD version makes the game more enjoyable. Sound work and engagement have increased. PS3 version has downloadable PSP version and allows transfarring, which is very delightful
・能以大画面游戏非常好。也能够感受到画面影像的景深。音效更有感觉敌人也更容易发现。可以通过记录转换继续PSP版的游戏，同时还有奖杯非常令人高兴。能够通 过右摇杆来改变视点对于boss战来说非常有帮助。有PSP下载版带着很划算
// Being able to play with HD visuals on the big screen is great. Can feel the depth of the visuals. Sound works has more feel to it, and enemies are easier to spot. Being able to continue your game on the PSP through transfarring and having trophies is very delightful. Being able to use right stick to change camera viewpoint greatly aids boss fights. Having the PSP downloadable code adds a lot of value.
・有着出色的故事性和合作游戏乐趣的PW画面变得更美丽，更容易融入世界观。右摇杆使用起来让游戏变得方便。同捆PSP下载版并且记录共通让游戏的选择性得到扩 展。360版就感觉不太划算了
// Game with outstanding story and co-op receives a visual upgrade, making it easier to be engaged with its world. Right stick makes the game easier to play. Bundled PSP downloadable/transfarrable version makes the game's choices broader. 360 version doesn't feel that worth it (implied because it doesn't have free portable version).
・紧张的故事展开带来很高投入度。能够以大画面高画质来体验实在让人高兴。难度虽然比较高但育成方面很有深度也可以尽兴游戏。Fulton的回收让人兴奋。有P SP版的下载码很合算。360版没那么合算不过也肯定是好作品
// Tense story brings high engagement. HD visual experience is joyful. Although the game is not easy, there is depth and growth. Taking back Fulton is joyful. Having free PSP download code adds a lot of value, 360 version does not have that much value but it remains a good product.
・完成度之高和游戏的乐趣之大早就已经得到过证实。针对HD主机的微调也能让游戏可以更顺畅的尽兴。音效工厂的沉迷度进一步提升。PS3版附带PSP版下载版并 且可以记录联动让人十分高兴
// Polish and fun has already been proven (with previous PSP release). But the tweaks made for the HD version makes the game more enjoyable. Sound work and engagement have increased. PS3 version has downloadable PSP version and allows transfarring, which is very delightful
・能以大画面游戏非常好。也能够感受到画面影像的景深。音效更有感觉敌人也更容易发现。可以通过记录转换继续PSP版的游戏，同时还有奖杯非常令人高兴。能够通 过右摇杆来改变视点对于boss战来说非常有帮助。有PSP下载版带着很划算
// Being able to play with HD visuals on the big screen is great. Can feel the depth of the visuals. Sound works has more feel to it, and enemies are easier to spot. Being able to continue your game on the PSP through transfarring and having trophies is very delightful. Being able to use right stick to change camera viewpoint greatly aids boss fights. Having the PSP downloadable code adds a lot of value.
・有着出色的故事性和合作游戏乐趣的PW画面变得更美丽，更容易融入世界观。右摇杆使用起来让游戏变得方便。同捆PSP下载版并且记录共通让游戏的选择性得到扩 展。360版就感觉不太划算了
// Game with outstanding story and co-op receives a visual upgrade, making it easier to be engaged with its world. Right stick makes the game easier to play. Bundled PSP downloadable/transfarrable version makes the game's choices broader. 360 version doesn't feel that worth it (implied because it doesn't have free portable version).
infinityBCRT
Member
You'd think that Konami would be whoring out this game with tons of videos to promote it... IMO pretty poor marketing strategy, especially when releasing in such a packed time as this. Outside of the few minutes that IGN released theres absolutely no footage from the final version out there.
funkystudent
Member
so no trophy for climbing the ladder?
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
oh god
MGS3 platinum gonna be more tedious than anything
atleast there are probably a bunch of good guides for this crap
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I don't like collecting things is all
I don't play metal gear in that way.
Dog Tags is something alot more fun to figure out on your own by playing
I don't play metal gear in that way.
Dog Tags is something alot more fun to figure out on your own by playing
