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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country
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Yeah, can't wait for the pixel counters and tech experts to give us their opinion
Rösti;38310067 said:
I hear ya. I just think it'll be nice to have some other things to talk about. I'm well aware that power will remain the focus. Even more so when we start to hear more about Sony/MS new machines going forward.
Rösti;38310067 said:
Never going to happen. We'll get one that looks like the one from last E3 at best.
Third parties will treat Nintendo better with the modern platform as opposed to the Wii. But we're talking more like Gamecube less like Xbox here. There are literally teams of bean counters mapping out whether they think something will sell on certain platforms vs whether it won't. It's a risk-vs-return proposition here, not "we all hate Nintendo". Maybe 4A games just doesn't have the team of 5 extra people to spare to do the port to Wii U like Vigil does.
Proelite
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What are the chances that Halo 4, God of War, and Last US look equal to or better than the best Wii-U launch title?
Should people be prepared for this outcome with a contingency plan? I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
The fact that Nintendo chose to go last means that they're confident they won't be underwhelming anyone, especially when everyone has a whole night to digest MS and Sony game footages.
Should people be prepared for this outcome with a contingency plan? I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
The fact that Nintendo chose to go last means that they're confident they won't be underwhelming anyone, especially when everyone has a whole night to digest MS and Sony game footages.
SolidSnakex
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It just depends on what's at launch. I expect Retro's game to look quite a bit better than any of those, but who knows if it'll be a launch title. Pikmin also has a chance based on the graphics from the GC offerings.
-Pyromaniac-
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Everyone wants more and more power (so do I, to an extent), but you know what's going to be the real gem, when the next gen consoles from MS and possibly sony launch at 449+. Sony probably at 399 though.
GAF has a LONG 2 years ahead of it
GAF has a LONG 2 years ahead of it
Everyone wants more and more power (so do I, to an extent), but you know what's going to be the real gem, when the next gen consoles from MS and possibly sony launch at 449+. Sony probably at 399 though.
GAF has a LONG 2 years ahead of it
more like 8-10 lol
Yes, but think about how bad it will be when a first party game ends up looking like a Wii game in HD
Unless he was suggesting that Pikmin 3 is going be on Ps3/360 because Nintendo is going 3rd party while releasing a new console at the same time. Thus really appealing to every one. Genius.
Gianni Merryman
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In the first place - aside from 3DS that is a completely different matter-, was anyone expecting at last year's E3 Alien, Darksiders 2, Assassins creed, Arkham city, Metro last night and Ghost recon being announced for WiiU?
No, in fact no-one predicted any of those games, that stuff came just out of the blue, and imo that was basically only a teaser to keep the general attention alive for a whole year, so I have been aware all along they should still have some aces up their sleeves saved for next year's conference.
So, what's up with all that panicking?
Just try and think of it rationally; you shouldn't focus too much on all negative rumours, but instead stay reassured that there's still quite a bunch of unannounced stuff we know nothing about, and some of those megatons could be announced for WiiU.
Just think of all the potential megatons Nintendo may be revealing in less than 7 days - for instance just the anjouncement of Diablo 3 on WiiU or something from Valve and the hype would be huge - and don't worry too much: you should already know by now Nintendo is always secretive, that's why we don't know yet a single first-party game for WiiU, enough said...
PS Are we by any chance following the conference commenting on IIRC like last year?
We had a good time, still this time around I would ideally make without trolls who were there last year though, someone was a real bore indeed and I don't want to let anyone spoiling my fun this time
All this UE4 talk is making my head spin. UE is clearly a major toolset in the industry, but reading some of the comments, you'd think the entire industry is 100% created on the engine.
Nintendo should just develope their own completely optimized Wii U engine for third parties and license it for peanuts.
Nintendo should just develope their own completely optimized Wii U engine for third parties and license it for peanuts.
test_account
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Rösti
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Apart from PC, those games are rarely released on platforms other than Nintendo's. Well, PS Vita has gotten some games in the series. And unless you expect the Wii U version (of for example Petz Catz Family) to look worse than that on 3DS, there's probably nothing to worry about here.
If anything I'm dreading what Funbox Media Ltd and Maximum Family Games (racing title) have in store for Wii U. Both of these companies will be exhibiting at E3. Maximum Family Games' booths is very close to Nintendo's booth and directly north of Sony's booth (#4522). Somebody will surely take the opportunity to make a video of it if anything substantial is shown.
Just have a look on one of the titles Maximum Family Games are responsible well (Virtual Play Games is the developer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZvy8PEWXRc
There is an Xbox 360 title by them as well, Sledgehammer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koQBRwDKjgY&list=PL39EC9EB663D063DC&index=5&feature=plpp_video
Perhaps it's a port of that we will see for Wii U.
As I've said before, I think their biggest problem is the silence on the specs. This generation saw such a MASSIVE difference in performance between the Wii and the HD Twins that it placed even more importance on specs in a lot of gamer's minds. The journalists lapped this up and followed suit because it made it easy to belittle Nintendo and have news items about how weak the Wii was compared to these amazing games they were playing on other consoles. I think that nowadays, no matter what awesome features you add to an OS, controller or infrastructure, graphics power can trump them all.
Then, as the year since last E3 has developed we seem to have a pretty good idea of specs, and while it's looking like they're noticeably better than current gen HD twins, people do not seem blown away by the pure graphic fidelity/power - which might not have been a problem if Nintendo hadn't have come out and said they are targetting the core gamer. So I believe that Nintendo has to plan an E3 with something(s) that can counter the inevitable negativity around Wii U's power. Can they do it? They'd have to come to the party with some massive exclusives, or some top notch first party titles to get there.
I imagine that the media will come out of E3 just like last E3 - interested, maybe excited about a couple of titles and even the looks of some, but I really don't think Nintendo will blow them away. Listening to various podcasts around the place leading up to E3 and you'd think there wasn't a new console being shown in a week's time.
This.
As an example, I recently bought an import copy of Mushihimesama Futari since A)It looks amazing and B) the original game was incredible and C), Cave made it region free. My U.S. 360 is red ringed so I was going to buy a new U.S. system in order to play the game. Then, last week they release Mushihimesama 1 HD and decide not to make it region free. So now I have to decide between getting a new U.S. 360 or springing for an import system (fortunately most U.S. games work on a Jpn 360 and game tags and most XBL content is region free, this makes the decision a bit easier at least).
I know MS supposedly charges unreasonable fees for region free discs but releasing a sequel in region free format then leaving the original game region locked later is just dumb, contradictory behavior on Cave's part towards their fans IMHO and it's little wonder they're going to be forced into making social games (as they've said themselves they're probably about to do). Because part of the problem is they haven't been as reasonable as my example shows, and outside of IOS have mostly refused to evolve to consumers who love shooters in all regions.
But yes, Nintendo, please money hat Cave for lots of shmup content on the eShop. Only you can save them from a social games-only path in the future.
edit: I wanna play DoDonPachi in TATE on my Upad.
Well my hope for them going to Wii U has been that interview where they mentioned likely moving on to new platforms...and Wii U is just kind of an option for them by default. 360 is dead over there, PS3 will be getting replaced in a year or two so I'm not sure they want to jump on that at this point, so the Wii U is sort of the only immediate option, unless they just ditch the console space altogether and go PC and iOS (which is another wild card itself if/when Apple opens up Apple TV and accepts controllers).
Anyway if we're going all out with crazy ideas before E3: Cave developed Nintendo IP shooter!
DUCK HUNT REVENGE
I believe bg said it was a new IP (and has stuck with that) while Lu Mu Bai over on B3D said not Zelda or Metroid iirc.
I always liked Namco's (?) "ACCOMPLISHED".It'll be the "CAR VAULT" of a new generation.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are/aren't, I figure it's a matter of work and budget put into the projects at a certain point...along with the art direction (looking better technically vs aesthetically).
DragonKnight
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Why does anyone care about power? What anyone should be caring about is the games. I hope no one here expects the WiiU to be teh most powerful console next gen. All anyone should want is that it can at least getthe same games that come out on the other two. I don't need teh best looking version of anything. Stevie P's post is soothing but I maintain my stance: waiting until E3. Less than 7 days.
SolidSnakex
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I actually wonder how much UE4 will be used next-gen. UE3 can still be quite the beast, especially when you look at something like the Samaritan demo. UE4 seems like it could be reserved for really high-end projects instead of just being used across the board like UE3.
Sony did something like this with the Phyre Engine. It was built to make it easy to port to the PSP, PS3, 360, PC and Vita. It's largely been used by smaller Japanese devs.
In the first place - aside from 3DS that is a completely different matter-, was anyone expecting at last year's E3 Alien, Darksiders 2, Assassins creed, Arkham city, Metro last night and Ghost recon being announced for WiiU?
No, in fact no-one predicted any of those games, that stuff came just out of the blue, and imo that was basically only a teaser to keep the general attention alive for a whole year, so I have been aware all along they should still have some aces up their sleeves saved for next year's conference.
So, what's up with all that panicking?
Just try and think of it rationally; you shouldn't focus too much on all negative rumours, but instead stay reassured that there's still quite a bunch of unannounced stuff we know nothing about, and some of those megatons could be announced for WiiU.
Just think of all the potential megatons Nintendo may be revealing in less than 7 days - for instance just the anjouncement of Diablo 3 on WiiU or something from Valve and the hype would be huge - and don't worry too much: you should already know by now Nintendo is always secretive, that's why we don't know yet a single first-party game for WiiU, enough said...
PS Are we by any chance following the conference commenting on IIRC like last year?
We had a good time, still this time around I would ideally make without trolls who were there last year though, someone was a real bore indeed and I don't want to let anyone spoiling my fun this time
I promise you: I'll take a breath, go to sleep and tomorrow everything will be better
but just because you're my friend, Gianni!
(I'll follow the conf at work, I still have to decide where to follow it: IIRC azzurra, Eye, IGN, Nintendo...but Osoko will welcome you on IIRC)
I promise you: I'll take a breath, go to sleep and tomorrow everything will be better
but just because you're my friend, Gianni!
(I'll follow the conf at work, I still have to decide where to follow it: IIRC azzurra, Eye, IGN, Nintendo...but Osoko will welcome you on IIRC)
Yeah, 'cause I'm not your friend too, right?
Spund, Nuas. Spund with all my heart
Right, it doesn't solve it at all. I wasn't advocating that as a bridge for UE4 ports. And I agree with you, multi-plat probably is a trap. But if Nintendo provides their own middleware to third parties that allows optimal performance for lower cost, the Wii U could conceivably be home to third party exclusives, Found only on Wii U and taking full advantage of the systems features.
Has any platform holder ever built and licensed an engine for third parties?
test_account
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The reason why people care about power is exactly because of the games. They want the games to look as good as possible. I know what you mean though, you're referring more to if the game is fun to play or not. But having more power doesnt mean that there is an expence on this. There are games that looks bad, but that still are really boring to play.
Power isnt everything of course, but having games that looks as good as possible can add to the atmosphere in the games, so it can definitely be a good thing
Damn right. If the WiiU doesn't have a satisfying power button I ain't buying it.
-Pyromaniac-
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More power is basically more insurance. Reduces the chances that a game someone really wants will not come to the console. Understandable to want more.
ClovingWestbrook
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It may get 3rd party exclusives but it won't be AAA exclusives as third party developers will NOT want to lose money by putting them on hardware that at least the last three generations hasn't proven to produce top notch sales for non Nintendo/non party software.
Also, people should be worried about power and UE4, that is if you care at all about the Wii U not ending up like the Wii in terms of third party support.
sorry man, power circle pad.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sony made PhyreEnigne, used in games like Dark Souls (and maybe Demon's Souls as well, does anyone know?). Here is a bigger list of games that uses PhyreEngine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhyreEngine
So, what games do you guys thing would benefit form a new expansion/remake on the Wii U?
I still think the SMB series needs a reboot a la MM9 w/ some e-World add-ons and a level editor like Mario vs. DK2.
I'd also love to see a new Wario DIY on Wii U that lets you make entire levels and worlds.
I party version of Brain Age would also work to draw in more casuals.
A marble game like Kororinpa or other tilt controlled game.
In all cases of 2D games I think there needs to be some way to easily share scores, achievements, levels, sprites, etc.
I still think the SMB series needs a reboot a la MM9 w/ some e-World add-ons and a level editor like Mario vs. DK2.
I'd also love to see a new Wario DIY on Wii U that lets you make entire levels and worlds.
I party version of Brain Age would also work to draw in more casuals.
A marble game like Kororinpa or other tilt controlled game.
In all cases of 2D games I think there needs to be some way to easily share scores, achievements, levels, sprites, etc.
SolidSnakex
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That'd be Radeo.
I really think that Nintendo might able to land KH3 as an exclusive. Dragon Quest games and probably Monster Hunter titles are also a lock. So, they'll net at least a couple AAA exclusives.
But I thought the game people really wanted was a back to basics 2D Zelda game. Do you really need that much power for that?
Agent Unknown
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You just blew my mind! How about this: It would be a two in one title, a reboot of the original game, plus a manic, bullet storm vertical shmup starring the Hunting Dog in a plane shooting down ducks and UFOs! DoDuckPachi! And Pyoro (who had his own vertical shmup mini game in Wario Ware Smooth Moves) would be your alternate fighter! If anybody at Nintendo is reading this, PLEASE make something like this happen! Also, the Upad could easily be made TATE/Shmup friendly as long as Shmup devs are smart and make the controls 100% configurable, a post I made in spec thread V earlier this month:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=37711193
Glass Joe said:
Agent Unknown said:
Yeah, 'cause I'm not your friend too, right?
Spund, Nuas. Spund with all my heart
Nooo Marco, you too!
In topic: if Pikmin 3 will not be a launch title, I'll wait for it before buying the console
test_account
XP-39C²
Hehe, well, true. But with "as good as possible", i ment within a certain price rangeIf this was the case, we'd all be gaming on high end PCs. Like me
Consoles are $400 - $600 at launch. You can probably get a gaming PC for this price too, but if you want something more powerful for much better graphics, you're looking at $1000+.-Pyromaniac-
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first party games will come even if the power was snes levels. It's all about 3rd parties.
Hehe, well, true. But with "as good as possible", i ment within a certain price range
A $600 PC would put consoles to shame.
test_account
XP-39C²
In these days you can get a PC that is more powerful than today's consoles indeed, but back at the PS3/Xbox 360 launch, then you could not get a PC for $600 that put those consoles to shame. I havnt followed today's PC prices that much, but compared to today's prices on consoles, can you get a gaming PC for ~$250 (including Windows) that is much more powerful than the consoles?
But consoles also have fixed hardware, so it is something that you're stuck with for ~5+ years. With PC, you can always upgrade if you want better graphics. This isnt possible for consoles, so that is why "as good as possible" graphics on consoles is important for many, i would guess.
I didnt say that graphical power is everything, but i just answered why people think that it is important
Yeah I've played in tate on my GB Micro with a homebrew bullet hell game, it was surprisingly playable. The big difference would just be the sheer size of the thing though, it'd be kind of a pain I think cause the way your wrists would have to bend more (holding my iPad like that right now kind of visualizing it). Of course there's always the iOS cheater control option too, move around with the touch screen. And that tate mode stand + remote...they made that little stand thing for Kid Icarus, they can make one for this!
Off topic a bit, but I just came across this video of Reggie:
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2011/12/i-3-reggie-fils-aime/
He's a Breaking Bad fan! I <3 you, Reggie.
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2011/12/i-3-reggie-fils-aime/
He's a Breaking Bad fan! I <3 you, Reggie.
Sad to see the news about Metro:LL and that Aliens slipped to next year.
In my opinion, the thing that the Wii lacked the most compared to the HD twins was the breadth of compelling 7.5 to 9.0 games that won't win GoTY awards but are enjoyed.
Both of these games would fit in that area to me. Aliens, in particular, looked to have a really fantastic single player.
The launch lineup will still be really strong, I think:
- BLOPS 2 - check (assumed)
- ACIII - check
- Madden - check (assumed)
- 3 1st party games (guessing)
- Batman: AC with all the DLC
In my opinion, the thing that the Wii lacked the most compared to the HD twins was the breadth of compelling 7.5 to 9.0 games that won't win GoTY awards but are enjoyed.
Both of these games would fit in that area to me. Aliens, in particular, looked to have a really fantastic single player.
The launch lineup will still be really strong, I think:
- BLOPS 2 - check (assumed)
- ACIII - check
- Madden - check (assumed)
- 3 1st party games (guessing)
- Batman: AC with all the DLC
Metroid Hunter
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Looks like Reggie has another video message for Nintendo fans on Facebook for E3 2012. They sure seem to be trying to get more attention this year.
Gianni Merryman
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I'll bet that next week you'll be drooling over whatever game being announced for WiiU regardless, just like last year we were both hyped upon watching 3DS's video-reel with SM3DLand, Luigi's mansion, Mario kart 7 etc.
Again, for sure Nintendo'll be showing up something good, and even if Pikmin3 shouldn't be a launch title, there would be something else that will justify a day-one purchase, but then the biggest problem for us will be having to wait until WiiU's PAL release, hype is going to be huge!
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