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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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I normally agree with this, but how do you think it is ok to make up excuses for Nintendo to have Online in their game without incorporating the basic features of online? No, no no. Voice chat isn't in there because Nintendo can't get their online shit together, it's not there because it was a design decision and it could become bothersome.Frozen Fire said:
If you believe that bullshit, how do you expect me not to ridicule you.
Frozen Fire
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MrCheez said:Let's get into some speculation, shall we? (Hopefully some of my ideas weren't already mentioned... I had to skim most of todays posts while at work.)
Now.. do we think this is a screenshot of the actual FINISHED menu from the game (before the player has unlocked anything), or is this a dev-screen specifically altered for the website?
What I am getting at specifically is how the character icons are grouped together in the middle, and obviously only characters that have been revealed already are shown. Does this mean that we're looking at the entire starting roster here (and should expect no more new character updates before the game's release), or does it mean that Sakurai just had the last few (unrevealed) characters of the starting roster removed from the menu just for this update?
(Also, if it means the former... would it mean Sheik really is gone? Notice how ZSS and the PT's pokemon are given their own icons...)
Edit: I still think we are due for 2-3 more starters (such as Captain Falcon), btw, so I am sure this screenshot was altered for the site. I'd be surprised at any other outcome... it's interesting to speculate though.
Another thing I noticed... the Miis that are selectable as icons have a different background color that separates them from the playable character icons. Does this mean we won't see a playable "Mii Fighter"? Not necessarily, but it seems to lower the chances of one to me.
OH one last thing about this screen.. See the "PROFILE" heading at the bottom? Do you think this menu has further customization options beyond your avatar and your four taunts? Or maybe some stats on the right side?
Player 3 is selecting the stage... does this mean he is the host and the host chooses the mode/stage, or might it be a system like Mario Kart DS where all players get to vote for the stage? Hmm!
OK most of my speculation is rather obvious and isn't actually all that insightful... but I felt like pointing out some tiny details I noticed anyway.
I think he removed some of the characters to not spoil it. I don't think why CF or Shiek wouldn't be in there.
Suburban Cowboy
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Do you guys believe it will be possible to set up 1v1, itemless brawls with strangers?
MrCheez said:
I asked about this earlier but it got buried in the online excitement. Do we have any evidence of previous screen shots on the site that we now know had to have been "altered" to hide information?
But if this is the full starting roster, I don't think it means Sheik is gone. It just points more towards the theory of Sheik being separate from Zelda (with Mario getting Fludd, this is even more of a possibility).
rollingstart
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AniHawk said:
this thread has been open for a while now, the Halo 3 thread will break gaf all together and assimilate other threads. Believe.
WastingPenguins
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Firestorm said:
Haha, I actually did say "completely gimping gameplay". And I meant it. Because, to me, playing single-player modes without c-stick support feels COMPLETE and utterly gimped. I lose probably 50% of my air game. (Firestorm man, you know it's true :lol ) And c'mon, Tathanen-- using the c-stick to control and position your aerial attacks ain't exactly super-advanced. It's pretty basic, IMO. All the casual items players I know use it and love it.
I probably shouldn't have opened my mouth, but hey, we haven't had this argument for at least 50 pages, so why not kill some time until tonight's update.:lol
WastingPenguins
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Suburban Cowboy said:
Who knows. Maybe!
I bet you will be able to.
Tathanen
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Firestorm said:
Uh, "...it DOES, however, lack a second analog stick, completely gimping gameplay. Inferior control scheme confirmed" is what I was addressing. Seems like it was indeed said!
Again, things like THAT I am not attacking. I don't really consider l-canceling or teching to be "advanced" moves. They're just what anyone progressing through the game will end up using more and more. The things I'm talking about are people shuffling, or constantly using Fox's bullshit, or wavedashing all over the place. Things that are exploitations of the game's mechanics, not actual moves put in there by design. I don't personally think the C-Stick was actually INTENDED to offer functionality outside of what the other buttons can do.
All I'm saying is that it's silly to expect that everything from SSBM will still be around in SSBB. It's unfair to make any critique of the controllers until we actually know what's coming back. Things like teching and canceling, sure, they're real functions and should return. But I think it's silly to demand the same glitches or exploitations, regardless of whether or not people use them to their advantage.
You do need to be pointed there if you talk about them though. If you don't argue about them then there's no pointing as the subject won't come up
Noooo thank you. Look how fired up I get just talking to their PROXIES. I don't need this kind of stress!
WastingPenguins
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Tathanen said:
What they offer is the ability to control which aerial attack you're doing (up, down, front, back) while independently controlling your character's movement in the air (directing your character forward or backward, or falling at the desired speed). I do think this was intended.
You must know some crazy c-stick functions that I don't.
Frozen Fire
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ant1532 said:If they want war, we'll give em war.
Come on Sakurai, announce some crazy shit!
:lol
There's no way they can surpass us. We have a least twice as many posts
Oh my god I just jinxed us. I shouldn't have said anything....
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
WastingPenguins said:
Nah, I don't think that was intended. I mean, yeah it's indented that they made the particular air attacks happen, but I don't think they consciously intended for it to be a way to do those moves independently of character movement. It just happened to work out that way.
Well, you talk about shffling and stuff as if they were exploits. If you're okay with l-cancelling and short hopping, you should be okay with shffling.
Short
Hop
Fast
Fall
L-cancel
All it means is that you're jumping low, doing an attack, falling down as fast as possible and l-cancelling to remove the lag. Just combining some different techniques to attack as efficiently as possible.
Fox's bullshit.. Well, I think that being able to cancel his shine with a jump was intended. I don't see how they might have done that as a glitch?
Wavedashing isn't something I would say was fully intended, but something tells me they must have come across it in testing. I mean, are you telling me they never once air-dodged into the ground to test if any issues would arise? Obviously they did. You hit the ground, vertical velocity transfers to horizontal velocity, you slide a distance calculated using the character's traction and ground's friction. Just like what would happen in real life if you got a low powered jet pack and shot down diagonally.
Anyway, I don't believe it's a big deal to expect a similar game to Melee. SSBM was similar to SSB64 after all. Some things changed, but it was still very very similar. Melee built on SSB64 and I think Brawl will build on SSBM.
Why does that matter? Seriously. All it is is a macro. It helps you play better. I dont think theyre annoyed by people finding new things to do with the tools offered. If you could even count it as new.
Short
Hop
Fast
Fall
L-cancel
All it means is that you're jumping low, doing an attack, falling down as fast as possible and l-cancelling to remove the lag. Just combining some different techniques to attack as efficiently as possible.
Fox's bullshit.. Well, I think that being able to cancel his shine with a jump was intended. I don't see how they might have done that as a glitch?
Wavedashing isn't something I would say was fully intended, but something tells me they must have come across it in testing. I mean, are you telling me they never once air-dodged into the ground to test if any issues would arise? Obviously they did. You hit the ground, vertical velocity transfers to horizontal velocity, you slide a distance calculated using the character's traction and ground's friction. Just like what would happen in real life if you got a low powered jet pack and shot down diagonally.
Anyway, I don't believe it's a big deal to expect a similar game to Melee. SSBM was similar to SSB64 after all. Some things changed, but it was still very very similar. Melee built on SSB64 and I think Brawl will build on SSBM.
Tathanen said:
Why does that matter? Seriously. All it is is a macro. It helps you play better. I dont think theyre annoyed by people finding new things to do with the tools offered. If you could even count it as new.
WastingPenguins
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Tathanen said:
You apparently don't think that developer's know very much about the game engines they spend months and years slaving over.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Firestorm said:
I'm just saying that's why I don't think it's high on the list for returning functions.
And for the record, I clearly have my terms messed up. That's not what I was referring to when I said shffl. I meant when people run back and forth in a single spot so they can shoot out of it without having to worry about the acceleration of running from a stop. Sure, it works, but... the game wasn't meant to be played that way.
Elfforkusu
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Requesting that someone create a picture involving Ness kicking someone into a very deep hole.AniHawk said:
Anyway, I'd think they'll have voice chat eventually. I have no reason to say this except that I think Nintendo likes money, and selling a $40 microphone peripheral packaged along with WiiSing is a no brainer. So the question becomes, is it on the radar now/will it make it into SSBB?
Elfforkusu
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(whoops)
OliveJuice
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This thread will have legs, I'm sure.SantaC said:
until the updates stop or the official thread starts
ShockingAlberto
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Because in Halo 3, people will use voice chat to express their thoughts.AniHawk said:
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
ShockingAlberto said:
You mean Halo 2 HD?
Oooooh shit I said it.
But hey wait, so are we comparing the Online options of Halo with the ones in Smash? Different strokes for different folks people, not everything has to be the same as one game. At least on Smash no homophobe stranger is gonna call me every swear in the whole dictionary for no good reason.
Nintendo takes a cautionary approach to Online because thats how Online games work in Japan, they do not like how Online games work in the West, its too confrontational and it intimidates them. The way Nintendo deals with Online, its more friendly for their target Japanese audience, cause we all know Nintendo cares more about the Japanese than anyone else, and their actions prove it ... I mean hell just look at Wi-Fi play, thats not catered towards exuberant Americans that will give you their opinion towards you want it or not, its geared towards people that would rather be more reserved.
MrCheez said:Let's get into some speculation, shall we? (Hopefully some of my ideas weren't already mentioned... I had to skim most of todays posts while at work.)
Now.. do we think this is a screenshot of the actual FINISHED menu from the game (before the player has unlocked anything), or is this a dev-screen specifically altered for the website?
What I am getting at specifically is how the character icons are grouped together in the middle, and obviously only characters that have been revealed already are shown. Does this mean that we're looking at the entire starting roster here (and should expect no more new character updates before the game's release), or does it mean that Sakurai just had the last few (unrevealed) characters of the starting roster removed from the menu just for this update?
(Also, if it means the former... would it mean Sheik really is gone? Notice how ZSS and the PT's pokemon are given their own icons...)
Edit: I still think we are due for 2-3 more starters (such as Captain Falcon), btw, so I am sure this screenshot was altered for the site. I'd be surprised at any other outcome... it's interesting to speculate though.
Another thing I noticed... the Miis that are selectable as icons have a different background color that separates them from the playable character icons. Does this mean we won't see a playable "Mii Fighter"? Not necessarily, but it seems to lower the chances of one to me.
OH one last thing about this screen.. See the "PROFILE" heading at the bottom? Do you think this menu has further customization options beyond your avatar and your four taunts? Or maybe some stats on the right side?
Player 3 is selecting the stage... does this mean he is the host and the host chooses the mode/stage, or might it be a system like Mario Kart DS where all players get to vote for the stage? Hmm!
OK most of my speculation is rather obvious and isn't actually all that insightful... but I felt like pointing out some tiny details I noticed anyway.
Dude, in the pre-Melee media, they edited Zelda out of the character select screen and put in a Sheik photo in her place, and, when they released the intro CG to Melee on the site, they edited out the part that contained Zelda. Don't assume you know everything about any part of this game before release.
For all we know, there could be 30 more characters in the game, 5 new big gameplay mechanics that they haven't revealed yet, and 3 new single player modes.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
GaimeGuy said:
And a mode were you attack people with voice commands, like that DS game.
the_zombie_luke
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Does this thread have the all-time high view count?
TheKingsCrown
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Yes.the_zombie_luke said:
civilstrife
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Raging Spaniard said:
Go right!
Not that far!
Jump!
Up-B!
Fuck!
GaimeGuy said:
I'm not making any assumptions, I was trying to create some discussion about open speculation (and I was also presenting more than one theory, one of which agreed with your point).
We still have a long way to go before the game comes out (unfortunately). Speculation is but one way to pass the time.
Smiles and Cries
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this thread should hit 2 million views later tonight
WOW
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For tonight I predict Zero Suit Samus' special moves. Gotta follow up on the megaton with something relatively tame...
Edit: For comparison's sake:
The day after The Musicians: Mario and Link profiles
The day after Four Types of Control: Fox profile
The day after assist trophies: Bowser profile
The day after Subspace Emissary: Smoke Ball
The day after My Music: Munchlax
Edit: For comparison's sake:
The day after The Musicians: Mario and Link profiles
The day after Four Types of Control: Fox profile
The day after assist trophies: Bowser profile
The day after Subspace Emissary: Smoke Ball
The day after My Music: Munchlax
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